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I too hope the Steelers can keep up their 1-3, beating the second worst team in the NFL, getting destroyed by the best, only one game back in the worst division pace.
That is needlessly harsh. This was a stunning victory over a team that might be better than the Dolphins, even. The Bengals aren’t the leading contender for the team to move to London for nothing, they bring something to the table! ( I know this argues facts not in evidence: I’m obviously merely assuming they bring something to the table)
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Rudolph is a longer-lasting Tommy Maddox.
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That was one of the dink-and-dunkest games i ever saw. But I'll take it. The announcers never discussed if Rudolph was just not seeing open receivers down field, or if he was just taking what the Bengals were giving, I'd like to hear some analysis on that.

Next week should be interesting. A win against the Ravens would mean the season is very much alive, a loss would mean a long road ahead.
The initial analysis from the Cooler Talk guys post-game is that he was taking what the Bengals were giving him. He was looking upfield, as evidenced by the Johnson touchdown, but he checked down to the safer plays because they were working. And really, who could blame him? It was only his second start. Ben didn’t take over for Maddox and suddenly become the future Hall of Famer he is, it took a while. I like what I’m seeing, and as long as he continues to improve I’ll be happy. They really couldn’t ask for much more than 24/28 for 200+ and 2 TD with no turnovers. He looks light years better than Haskins and Murray, that’s for sure, and Pittsburgh is allegedly as bad as both of their respective teams.
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The initial analysis from the Cooler Talk guys post-game is that he was taking what the Bengals were giving him. He was looking upfield, as evidenced by the Johnson touchdown, but he checked down to the safer plays because they were working. And really, who could blame him? It was only his second start. Ben didn’t take over for Maddox and suddenly become the future Hall of Famer he is, it took a while. I like what I’m seeing, and as long as he continues to improve I’ll be happy. They really couldn’t ask for much more than 24/28 for 200+ and 2 TD with no turnovers. He looks light years better than Haskins and Murray, that’s for sure, and Pittsburgh is allegedly as bad as both of their respective teams.
It was smart to limit the length of Rudolph's throws. That's what most intelligent coaches do with inexperienced or game managing QB's. When you look at the list of QB's currently playing by "intended air yards" (the number of yards a pass travels in the air to its intended target), it's guys like Teddy Bridgewater (5.5 air yards), Luke Falk (6.1 IAY), and, yes Mason Rudolph (6 IAY). Short, quick passes that don't require a QB to process a ton of information are how you can still get wins with a backup level QB.

Playing the Bengals also helps with the "getting wins" thing.

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Well, we weren’t losing for almost 8 minutes.
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Why, oh why are Pittsburgh athletes so cursed?
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Old 10-06-2019, 03:12 PM
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Not sure Pitttsburgh athletes are any more or less cursed than those of any other city. Unless you mean cursed as in damned by those not well disposed towards them, and I think Brady has all of the NFL beat.
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Well, we weren’t losing for almost 8 minutes.
They’re still fighting. And currently winning.

That shot from Thomas in the NFL in 2019 is a penalty, ejection, fine, and suspension. But no flag. That’s a joke.
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He was flagged for roughing the passer. And that was the appropriate action. This wasn’t some Burfect stuff. The point of contact looked unintentional to me. Bad luck in a physical game. What happened right before the knockout, however, was incredibly encouraging. That was an NFL quarterback making an NFL play: shades of Ben.
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Valiant effort of the Steelers. We were in it, at times dominant, until the end, with our 3rd QB
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Hodges looked really good.
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Hodges looked really good.
Yeah, he did. And the defense looked great. The initial offensive buffoonery and the last fumble killed them.
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Cursed in what way? Getting injured?
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At least the Steelers got a point for the overtime loss.
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The defense is taking it to the Bolts tonight, and the offense, led by the indomitable Duck Hodges, is doing well. He’s making good decisions and taking care of the ball.

I’ll take it every week. Disastrous start to the season and still only 2 games back into the bye.
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Pretty sure I just saw Moncrief catch a ball. What a night.
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What’s with the shitty snapping today, though? (Need something to bitch about, after all).
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That went well-ish. We have now proven twice-over that we can beat a team last in their division. This bodes well for the upcoming Dolphins, Bengals and Cardinals games, and heck, the Jets are functionally equivalent to last in their division. So there might be some Sundays where I don’t cry myself to sleep.
I was quite impressed with both sides of the team tonight. They got it done.
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Looks like Stephon Tuitt is done for the season unless he can play through a torn pectoral muscle.

One step forward, one step back. He’s been a terror on the line this year.
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Miami working hard to make sure that first round pick is going to be worth something. Mason Rudolph doing his best on that too. Sweet lord, this is what it must be like to be a Bengals fan.
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Sometime in the 2d quarter the Dolphins decided to work on the value of their own first round pick, and have been pretty successful with that.
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A win is a win. We now have three. Two of which against the two worst teams in the NFL, and one against a team without home games. Hope springs eternal, of course, but I’m keeping mine un-sprung until after the Colts game. It sure was nice to see JuJu play, though, and the defense looked pretty good. Let’s put the earlier booing down to excess halloween zeal.
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Once Rudolph settled down Pittsburgh looked pretty good last night. But, of course, that came at a price. Conner has a sprained AC joint and Snell has a knee injury, which means that they’re down to Edmunds if the injuries are serious.

The injury bug has hit Pittsburgh pretty hard this year.
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Well, that was a gift.
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Once again Rudolph has a steady game, only one real mistake that was his fault with the safety, and he stood in against a pretty good rush. Brissett got hurt early for the Colts, but given Pittsburgh’s injury woes that elicits no sympathy from me except that I’m glad it wasn’t serious. Hoyer almost took them home, but a really bad shank from Viniateri won the game for the Steelers.

The real story, though, was the refs. Again. That was terrible against both teams, and those last two calls nearly buried Pittsburgh on an obviously uncatchable ball that the defender was looking back at and so had equal claim, and a push off to get the Colts into field goal position.

That has to be fixed. They’re having a ludicrous impact on the games, and they steadfastly refuse to reverse calls that everybody agrees are bad. Except against Pittsburgh, of course, about the only one they have reversed killed them against Seattle.

Anyway, after a terrible start Pittsburgh is now 4-4 and back in the thick of it on the strength of a really good defense (man, did Minkah ever make a huge difference, and Watt is almost to the level of his brother) and steady backup quarterbacks leading equally steady backup players. This may be Tomlin’s best coaching job yet.
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I don't think Pittsburgh can make the wild card, not with Buffalo at 6-2 and a strong AFC South this year. They'll have to hope the Ravens choke down the stretch.
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I don't think Pittsburgh can make the wild card, not with Buffalo at 6-2 and a strong AFC South this year. They'll have to hope the Ravens choke down the stretch.
We’ll see. There’s a long way to go, and rare is the season where at least one 9-win team doesn’t make the playoffs. Also, Pittsburgh has 4 more division games, including one against the Rats. Anything can happen.
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Huh. You know what I just realized? This is actually the 17th of these threads. I jinxed it, that’s what it is. This season’s woes are my fault.

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Thought it was 15 “marches” and 2 “defends”.
If so, 16 would be correct, and we suck because it turns out that losing all killer bees is more subtraction than addition after all.
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We got lucky on that non-call for DPI near the end there, but I think the score reflected the game. Nice win. Very nice.
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Thought it was 15 “marches” and 2 “defends”.
If so, 16 would be correct, and we suck because it turns out that losing all killer bees is more subtraction than addition after all.
They’re winning as a team. You don’t hear JuJu whining about not having many catches or any of the other skill players. They’re doing their best and the defense is doing the rest.

As for the defense, anybody who still says that the Minkah Fitzpatrick trade was a dumb decision is a total, utter moron. He’s been transformational for the defense.
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Minka trade was the best trade in years, and after the AB trade, that’s saying quite something. Defense is stepping up impressively as a whole, too.
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Well, now we know what happens when the Steelers’ practice squad plays the Browns, while having our QB throw predominantly to Browns players. I hope our injured players are ok. That one hit was as ugly as they come.
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Jesus Christ.

What else can you say about that game? The Browns have apparently decided to be the new Bengals. Three helmet-to-helmet hits, knocking out both of Pittsburgh’s starting receivers, and then the ending, where Garrett sacked Rudolph, stayed on top of him, and then ripped his helmet off and clubbed him over the head with it. Pouncey punched and kicked him, and I certainly don’t approve of it but I understand. His quarterback just got cracked on the head with his own helmet, for God’s sake.

Anyway, the defense did what it could, but the offense is beyond broken. There was almost literally nobody left that wasn’t on the practice squad earlier this year. You can’t win games with those players. Tonight was a disaster.

But the Browns are dirty-ass bullshit. Garrett should be escorted from the stadium in handcuffs.
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I think Garrett is going to miss much if not all of the rest of the season, and that is still too kind. Calling the whole Browns team dirty isn’t fair, though. One very bad hit, appropriately resulting in ejection, and then whatever insanity came over Garrett. Both bad, the latter outstandingly so. But I didn’t see the hit on JuJu as deliberate. Damn, I wish Pouncy hadn’t kicked Garrett - I’m afraid that’s some sort of suspension as well.
We will now have to take next-man-up to ridiculous lengths. But the standard is the standard.
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The Browns have apparently decided to be the new Bengals.
It’s only fair since the Bengals are the new Browns.
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I changed my mind. Watching highlights (lowlights) again, and combined with Kitchens’ statements in the past and post-game, it looks like bounty-hunting to me. The Browns were dirty as fuck that game.
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The AFC North has always been an......interesting division in this regard. (Browns, Bengals and Steelers going all WWF on each other)
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The AFC North has always been an......interesting division in this regard. (Browns, Bengals and Steelers going all WWF on each other)
Ravens get nasty at times too but it’s more about playing down to their opponents.
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Maybe you can petition the mods to change the obviously erroneous title.
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Especially since the Browns beat us for the first time in how many years -- who likes a sore winner?

On a lighter note, Primantis has offered Maurkice Pouncey a job.
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Especially since the Browns beat us for the first time in how many years -- who likes a sore winner?
Well, the first game after the Browns finished 0-16 and the Steelers finished 13-3 (the 2017 season), the Steelers and Browns tied 21-21. That probably felt like a win to Brown's fans and a loss to Steeler's fans. Of course, that's not a true victory. But if one has the moxie to start a "Steelers march to the Super Bowl" thread not on a Steelers Love message board, they must have the fortitude to withstand the expected criticism. I'm from Chicago (Bears, not Browns), but I do delight in a Steelers loss, admittedly mostly because the Steelers have been historically successful. I know the title is mostly in jest, but so was my suggestion.

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Jesus Christ.

What else can you say about that game? The Browns have apparently decided to be the new Bengals. Three helmet-to-helmet hits, knocking out both of Pittsburgh’s starting receivers, and then the ending, where Garrett sacked Rudolph, stayed on top of him, and then ripped his helmet off and clubbed him over the head with it. Pouncey punched and kicked him, and I certainly don’t approve of it but I understand. His quarterback just got cracked on the head with his own helmet, for God’s sake.

Anyway, the defense did what it could, but the offense is beyond broken. There was almost literally nobody left that wasn’t on the practice squad earlier this year. You can’t win games with those players. Tonight was a disaster.

But the Browns are dirty-ass bullshit. Garrett should be escorted from the stadium in handcuffs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swSkNYzqi8Q

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Rudolph grabbed Garrett's helmet twice and almost stripped it off (a potentially dangerous act) because he was upset Garrett continued to bring him down on a bang-bang play in which Rudolph released the ball just as Garrett was hitting him. Garrett may have thought Rudolph still had the ball. Garrett did not Charles Martin Rudolph. Garrett actually hit the ground first and pulled Rudolph on top of him for a soft landing. Garrett was not on top of Rudolph, they were side-by-side on the ground and Rudolph immediately grabbed his helmet. Even if Garrett was on top of Rudolph and lingered there longer than is reasonable, that does not justify grabbing his helmet. I'm sure Garrett was just as upset as Pouncy.

No, I'm not advocating Garret's actions, and I too think he should have gone to jail. No, I am not saying Rudolph grabbing Garrett's helmet justifies what Garrett did. No, I am not saying Garrett's actions, Pouncey's actions, and Rudolph's actions are equivalent. Not even close. But Garrett didn't just inexplicably attack Rudolph without provocation, my impression after reading "...where Garrett sacked Rudolph, stayed on top of him, and then ripped his helmet off and clubbed him over the head with it. Interesting omission. Rudolph's actions were not as potentially dangerous as Garrett's, but still potentially dangerous.

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you know I read a book about the NFL in the 70s and mid 80s that said the philosophy was "if you cant win .. keep the fans happy by hurting people especially if there's a rivalry because to some people busting the enemy's head open is just as big of a win as a touchdown in their eyes and i think that mentality has stayed in certain regions

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Rudolph grabbed Garrett's helmet twice and almost stripped it off (a potentially dangerous act) because he was upset Garrett continued to bring him down on a bang-bang play in which Rudolph released the ball just as Garrett was hitting him. Garrett may have thought Rudolph still had the ball. Garrett did not Charles Martin Rudolph. Garrett actually hit the ground first and pulled Rudolph on top of him for a soft landing. Garrett was not on top of Rudolph, they were side-by-side on the ground and Rudolph immediately grabbed his helmet. Even if Garrett was on top of Rudolph and lingered there longer than is reasonable, that does not justify grabbing his helmet. I'm sure Garrett was just as upset as Pouncy.

No, I'm not advocating Garret's actions, and I too think he should have gone to jail. No, I am not saying Rudolph grabbing Garrett's helmet justifies what Garrett did. No, I am not saying Garrett's actions, Pouncey's actions, and Rudolph's actions are equivalent. Not even close. But Garrett didn't just inexplicably attack Rudolph without provocation, my impression after reading "...where Garrett sacked Rudolph, stayed on top of him, and then ripped his helmet off and clubbed him over the head with it. Interesting omission. Rudolph's actions were not as potentially dangerous as Garrett's, but still potentially dangerous.
I’ve been reading a lot of comments like this.

My response is this: if Rudolph’s actions did not warrant a suspension before the helmet swing, why would they now? Until the helmet was swung it was just another men-being-men football scrum. You see them all the time. They get pissed off, they go at each other, it’s broken up, fines are administered, warnings are given, and it’s over.

What made this the big thing it is wasn’t even the ripping off of the helmet, it was Garrett deliberately swinging it at Rudolph’s head. He catches Mason just right and he’s still unconscious, or worse. That was the big sin here. Rudolph will be fined, if he hasn’t been already. All parties to the issue have been punished appropriately. I’m even fine with Pouncey’s suspension because even though he was protecting his teammate who had just been clubbed in the head with a helmet he still shouldn’t have gone wading in with kicks and punches.
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I’ve been reading a lot of comments like this.

My response is this: if Rudolph’s actions did not warrant a suspension before the helmet swing, why would they now? Until the helmet was swung it was just another men-being-men football scrum. You see them all the time. They get pissed off, they go at each other, it’s broken up, fines are administered, warnings are given, and it’s over.

What made this the big thing it is wasn’t even the ripping off of the helmet, it was Garrett deliberately swinging it at Rudolph’s head. He catches Mason just right and he’s still unconscious, or worse. That was the big sin here. Rudolph will be fined, if he hasn’t been already. All parties to the issue have been punished appropriately. I’m even fine with Pouncey’s suspension because even though he was protecting his teammate who had just been clubbed in the head with a helmet he still shouldn’t have gone wading in with kicks and punches.
To add... people (justifiably) focus on the clubbing, but to me the way Garrett pulled Rudolph up by his face mask and yanked it off his head is almost worse. It is brutal to watch, and all involved are lucky Rudolph didn't end up with some kind of serious neck injury. Rudolph kind of tugged and twisted Garrett's helmet a little bit after a late-ish hit on the last play of the game, and then Garrett responded by going completely ballistic with multiple actions that seriously endangered another player's health.

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I’ve been reading a lot of comments like this.

My response is this: if Rudolph’s actions did not warrant a suspension before the helmet swing, why would they now? Until the helmet was swung it was just another men-being-men football scrum. You see them all the time. They get pissed off, they go at each other, it’s broken up, fines are administered, warnings are given, and it’s over.

What made this the big thing it is wasn’t even the ripping off of the helmet, it was Garrett deliberately swinging it at Rudolph’s head. He catches Mason just right and he’s still unconscious, or worse. That was the big sin here. Rudolph will be fined, if he hasn’t been already. All parties to the issue have been punished appropriately. I’m even fine with Pouncey’s suspension because even though he was protecting his teammate who had just been clubbed in the head with a helmet he still shouldn’t have gone wading in with kicks and punches.
I concur. I just thought that the entire incident should be entered into record. I read an article that stated that Rudolph was not going to press charges, but that is not his decision, right? This was a crime against the people, and the D.A. makes that decision, right? Luckily for Rudolph, it appears the padded part at the rear of the helmet struck him. Lucky for Garrett too.

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Rudolph addressed the media earlier, apologizing for his own actions in the who mess. Considering he was least at fault, I'd say he's got far more class than Garrett ever will.
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Oh gee, big surprise: Myles Garrett Doubles Down on Racial Slur Claim The NHL says they have no evidence. I believe these dudes are micced up in their shoulder pads, right? Plus their teammates were right there, and none of them have corroborated Garrett's story.
I also doubt that Pouncey would've been so eager to defend Rudolph had that been the case.

Wasn't he just going on and on about how deeply sorry he was, and how he truely regretted his actions? Whatever, Garrett. Whatever.
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