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The Nancy Pelosi appreciation thread


It's funny how she was, merely a few months ago, even more of a super bitch than Hillary Clinton, facing an intra-party revolt from political outsiders who were certain she was an old hag who had no place in politics.

But take a look at what she's doing now. Look at how she's playing Donald Trump. The Trumpster fire knew how to beat Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail, and he knew how to wreck much of the Washington establishment. Trump has changed the calculus of campaigning.

But Nancy Pelosi is an entirely different opponent, and I'm not sure that Trump (or even the layperson) really understands it yet. Pelosi is a shrewd, calculating, political bad-ass. Donald Trump is like a tough man contest brawler. He screams. He charges. He throws haymakers. And the rest of the Washington establishment wasn't prepared. Nancy Pelosi is like an aikido-ka. She's using his raw energy against him, and pinning him in his own corner. It's a sight to behold.

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Please, please, please, dont do this. I beg you and all liberals, to not hold her (or anyone else) up as a paragon. Ideas, not people, are what should be the foundation of any sustainable viewpoint. Let the Pubbies do the hero worship (Reagan. Trump) thing, and instead focus on ideas like fairness, wealth inequality, voter equality, and adherence to the ideas of checks and balances.
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Please, please, please, dont do this. I beg you and all liberals, to not hold her (or anyone else) up as a paragon. Ideas, not people, are what should be the foundation of any sustainable viewpoint. Let the Pubbies do the hero worship (Reagan. Trump) thing, and instead focus on ideas like fairness, wealth inequality, voter equality, and adherence to the ideas of checks and balances.
I don't hold Pelosi up as a paragon, except to point out that she's ripping Trump's testicles away from him -- and that's just a fucking awesome thing when you consider all the limp-dick, hyper-sensitive, sniveling, snot-nosed white male mother fuckers who supported him and who despise Nancy Pelosi for being a strong woman.

I want to go one thing off my chest in case I haven't made it clear. Some people say shit like "Oh, don't hate the voter, hate the politics and the politicians who exploit them."

Naw, sorry, but fuck that. It doesn't take too much effort to be a good person, a good citizen, and a lover of thy fellow man. If you're voting for Trump and if you're not voting against him, then fuck you.
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I don't hold Pelosi up as a paragon, except to point out... Naw, sorry, but fuck that. It doesn't take too much effort to be a good person, a good citizen, and a lover of thy fellow man. If you're voting for Trump and if you're not voting against him, then fuck you.
What does this have to do with the topic, or your OP?

It's like you try to stay on the subject, even if it's your own subject, and you were doing so well... But you can't go through a whole paragraph without getting red in the face and shouting "Screw You! You Didn't Vote Against Trump!" (which by the way is virtually no one in this thread).

I'm going to call it Tourette's/Trumpette's Syndrome.
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Please, please, please, dont do this. I beg you and all liberals, to not hold her (or anyone else) up as a paragon. Ideas, not people, are what should be the foundation of any sustainable viewpoint. Let the Pubbies do the hero worship (Reagan. Trump) thing, and instead focus on ideas like fairness, wealth inequality, voter equality, and adherence to the ideas of checks and balances.
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Please, please, please, dont do this. I beg you and all liberals, to not hold her (or anyone else) up as a paragon. Ideas, not people, are what should be the foundation of any sustainable viewpoint. Let the Pubbies do the hero worship (Reagan. Trump) thing, and instead focus on ideas like fairness, wealth inequality, voter equality, and adherence to the ideas of checks and balances.
Yeah, there's that of course.

But in the meantime, before the US gets back to a state where actual discourse and shit matters again, it's grouse to see her kicking him in the nuts.

Go Nancy...this Aussie sheila approves.
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Please, please, please, dont do this. I beg you and all liberals, to not hold her (or anyone else) up as a paragon. Ideas, not people, are what should be the foundation of any sustainable viewpoint. Let the Pubbies do the hero worship (Reagan. Trump) thing, and instead focus on ideas like fairness, wealth inequality, voter equality, and adherence to the ideas of checks and balances.
My reply is simply

The enemy of my enemy, is my friend.

And we don't need any Pubbies and "conservatives" and righties concern trolling us with any sanctimonious bullshit.

The enemy of my enemy, is my friend.
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But take a look at what she's doing now. Look at how she's playing Donald Trump. The Trumpster fire knew how to beat Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail, and he knew how to wreck much of the Washington establishment. Trump has changed the calculus of campaigning.

Can't believe I've missed the term "trumpster fire" until now. Great neologism to whoever came up with it!

Anyway, Trump did not beat Clinton on the campaign trail. He beat her in the Electoral College. Two different things and something that sticks in his craw to this moment.
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The problem with Pelosi is that she’ll use her leverage for some stupid small-ball gain. She doesn’t understand the game has completely changed and she’s so fucking old. I’m gen x and I waited my whole life for the boomers to get out of the way and they never fucking did.

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The problem with Pelosi is that she’ll use her leverage for some stupid small-ball gain. She doesn’t understand the game has completely changed and she’s so fucking old. I’m gen x and I waited my whole life for the boomers to get out of the way and they never fucking did.
Get used to it. The WWII generation held the White House for FORTY YEARS, from the Supreme Commander to the youngest Navy aviator. Boomers will do just as well, maybe even better considering medical advances. Gen X will be the new "silent generation" which fielded the likes of Dukakis, Babbit, McCain, Hart and more. The presidency, like many traits, skips generations occasionally.
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The problem with Pelosi is that she’ll use her leverage for some stupid small-ball gain. She doesn’t understand the game has completely changed and she’s so fucking old. I’m gen x and I waited my whole life for the boomers to get out of the way and they never fucking did.
What gain do you want her to go for?

With age comes experience and skills, do you think Trump and the GOP would be scared of any of the young frosh congresspersons?
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With age comes experience and skills, do you think Trump and the GOP would be scared of any of the young frosh congresspersons?
They already seem to think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the unholy love child of Karl Marx and Margaret Sanger, with a touch of Saul Alinsky's DNA mixed in, and garnished with a pinch of Jane Fonda.
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What gain do you want her to go for?

With age comes experience and skills, do you think Trump and the GOP would be scared of any of the young frosh congresspersons?
I think that by pulling this stunt she is raising her profile and runs the risk of being a big fat target. She is about as unpopular as Trump in national polls and I think that Trump is doing a great job of shooting himself in the foot, almost hourly without any help from the Democrats.

The boomers have had a stranglehold on our politics and culture for far too long. By refusing to yield power Pelosi is preventing a new generation of leadership and ideas to emerge. She represents business as usual at a time in American politics when business as usual has been discredited.

I also thought her blocking Kathleen Rice from a seat on the Judiciary Committee because Rice had been critical of Pelosi was petty bullshit that is not in the interest of the party or the nation.

Pelosi will have her moment and then realize that she's overplayed her hand and has shifted blame for the shutdown from Trump to her and the Democrats in the mind of the public.

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By refusing to yield power Pelosi is preventing a new generation of leadership and ideas to emerge.
Power is taken, not given. Who is the next generation's candidate for leadership? How have they demonstrated their readiness to take over?
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I think that by pulling this stunt she is raising her profile and runs the risk of being a big fat target. She is about as unpopular as Trump in national polls and I think that Trump is doing a great job of shooting himself in the foot, almost hourly without any help from the Democrats.

The boomers have had a stranglehold on our politics and culture for far too long. By refusing to yield power Pelosi is preventing a new generation of leadership and ideas to emerge. She represents business as usual at a time in American politics when business as usual has been discredited.

I also thought her blocking Kathleen Rice from a seat on the Judiciary Committee because Rice had been critical of Pelosi was petty bullshit that is not in the interest of the party or the nation.

Pelosi will have her moment and then realize that she's overplayed her hand and has shifted blame for the shutdown from Trump to her and the Democrats in the mind of the public.
I know it doesn't pay to overestimate the intelligence of "the public" but even the dumbest mouth breathing redneck can remember Trump saying: "I'm proud to shut down the government".
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I know it doesn't pay to overestimate the intelligence of "the public" but even the dumbest mouth breathing redneck can remember Trump saying: "I'm proud to shut down the government".
I doubt that most of them are even aware he made that statement. People who vote for reality show TV stars to be president aren't the most informed voters on earth.
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I know it doesn't pay to overestimate the intelligence of "the public" but even the dumbest mouth breathing redneck can remember Trump saying: "I'm proud to shut down the government".
It's a fact that he said that, yes, but the right doesn't base their opinions on facts. They believe what they're told to believe whether it's true or not, and now they're being told Trump's not to blame.
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The problem with Pelosi is that she’ll use her leverage for some stupid small-ball gain. She doesn’t understand the game has completely changed and she’s so fucking old. I’m gen x and I waited my whole life for the boomers to get out of the way and they never fucking did.
1) Pelosi isn't a Boomer. She was born in 1940.

2) The oldest Boomers are 73, the youngest ones are 54. You're gonna be waiting a loooooong time yet. I plan on being around for another 30-35 years. (Nyaah, nyaah! )
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The problem with Pelosi is that she’ll use her leverage for some stupid small-ball gain. She doesn’t understand the game has completely changed and she’s so fucking old. I’m gen x and I waited my whole life for the boomers to get out of the way and they never fucking did.
Say what you like about Ms Pelosi, she didn’t stand back politely waiting for others to step aside and give her permission to strive for her own goals. Have you considered writing to her asking if she might substitute your goals for her own? You could explain that you’re too busy to be politically active, but that your objectives are more important than hers, so she really should just do what you want.
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Have you considered writing to her asking if she might substitute your goals for her own? You could explain that you’re too busy to be politically active, but that your objectives are more important than hers, so she really should just do what you want.
Well said. I'll be appropriating this, and probably using it on myself when I get bitchy.
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I’m gen x and I waited my whole life for the boomers to get out of the way and they never fucking did.
Guess what? We boomers have been waiting our whole lives for the generation older than us (the Silent Generation?) to get out of the way, and they still have 15 seats in the Senate and 33 seats in the House.

You're going to be waiting a long time, bud.
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The problem with Pelosi is that she’ll use her leverage for some stupid small-ball gain. She doesn’t understand the game has completely changed and she’s so fucking old. I’m gen x and I waited my whole life for the boomers to get out of the way and they never fucking did.
So she doesn't understand that the game has completely changed, eh? Looks to me like she just took Trump down, bent him over her knee, and spanked him good.
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So she doesn't understand that the game has completely changed, eh? Looks to me like she just took Trump down, bent him over her knee, and spanked him good.
Oh, the dems will have to give in on some borders security spending, and let him say that's for the wall, but we need to spend more $ down there anyway.
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So she doesn't understand that the game has completely changed, eh? Looks to me like she just took Trump down, bent him over her knee, and spanked him good.
And she didn't even use a rolled-up magazine with his face on the cover.
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She is keeping the government shut down rather than agree to a few billion to extend the existing border barriers. All for political posturing.
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She is keeping the government shut down rather than agree to a few billion to extend the existing border barriers. All for political posturing.
It was Trump who unilaterally, against his own Republican party in the Senate, shut the government down. She has already introduced multiple bills to reopen the government -even temporarily - and those bills have been blocked in the Senate by Mitch McConnell for fear that the president will look like even more of an ass by vetoing those, too.

Pelosi is teaching Trump a painful political lesson. Campaigning is one thing - Trump has proven he can campaign. This isn't a campaign. This is institutional, procedural, political. It's an entirely different battlefield. She's a crocodile that's dragging him further away from land.

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Pelosi is teaching Trump a painful political lesson. Campaigning is one thing - Trump has proven he can campaign. This isn't a campaign. This is institutional, procedural, political. It's an entirely different battlefield. She's a crocodile that's dragging him further away from land.
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Pelosi is THE queen of the swamp. ol' Nancy has been involved in politics since 1961. She was first elected to public office in 1987. If anyone knows how to play hardball, it's ol' Nancy. The resist movement, and old style politics, are alive and well.
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Pelosi is THE queen of the swamp. ol' Nancy has been involved in politics since 1961. She was first elected to public office in 1987. If anyone knows how to play hardball, it's ol' Nancy. The resist movement, and old style politics, are alive and well.

You know what? You've long been an insufferable fool and I've long wondered why you haven't been banned. Now you're just trolling for the sheer joy of displaying your incredible stupidity. Until TPTB see fit to actually remove you from this site, I'm going to do what I am now suggesting others do: remove your inane posts from visibility. And good riddance.
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She is keeping the government shut down rather than agree to a few billion to extend the existing border barriers. All for political posturing.
You seem to have forgotten that there was a deal of 25 billion for the wall in exchange for DACA that Trump said he would sign. He than refused to sign it after it passed both chambers of Congress because right-wing loudmouths complained.
He can't be trusted to keep his side of a deal.
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You seem to have forgotten that there was a deal of 25 billion for the wall in exchange for DACA that Trump said he would sign. He than refused to sign it after it passed both chambers of Congress because right-wing loudmouths complained.
He can't be trusted to keep his side of a deal.
This ^ and especially the bold part. Trump had a deal, and this wonderful 'deal maker' blew it up.

Trump is chained to his base. And his base is also chained to the base. Trump is fearful of what happens if he cuts ties with right wing loudmouths, and the right wing loudmouths are fearful of what happens when they stop using their schtick. They've played the game of niche politics. They have no niche they can really transition into. They've been playing a game of extreme politics because there seemed like no consequences to deal with. Well now there are consequences, like up to 800,000 people getting reduced or no income for a month or more. That also reverberates throughout the economy.
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You seem to have forgotten that there was a deal of 25 billion for the wall in exchange for DACA that Trump said he would sign. He than refused to sign it after it passed both chambers of Congress because right-wing loudmouths complained.
He can't be trusted to keep his side of a deal.
Trump has a well-documented history of lying, cheating and weaseling on deals. Trusting him to keep his word only leads to tears and regret. He only understands power, and Pelosi is showing him that she can go toe-to-toe with the best of them. I'm sure that he rages around the White House at night because a woman is daring to get into a punching contest with him. Hopefully, he'll work himself up into a stroke.
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You seem to have forgotten that there was a deal of 25 billion for the wall in exchange for DACA that Trump said he would sign. He than refused to sign it after it passed both chambers of Congress because right-wing loudmouths complained.
He can't be trusted to keep his side of a deal.
“I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck, because the people of this country don’t want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country. So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it…. I will take the mantle of shutting down.” - Trump

And his word was NEVER worth a fuck anyway. This shutdown belongs to Trump and his boy McConnell.
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She is keeping the government shut down rather than agree to a few billion to extend the existing border barriers. All for political posturing.
This is false -- the House has been passing numerous bills to reopen the government, at the same funding levels that both parties in the Senate overwhelmingly supported last month. She's taking action to reopen the government, but the Senate and Trump are doing absolutely nothing. That's probably why public opinion overwhelmingly blames Trump and the Republicans for this shutdown, and not her.
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She is keeping the government shut down rather than agree to a few billion to extend the existing border barriers. All for political posturing.
And what happens going forward if the Dems do cave on this? The 'crying, whining shut down' becomes the first arrow in Trumps quiver. This is the Dems version of not negotiating with terrorists. You give in once, and it will never stop.
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She is keeping the government shut down rather than agree to a few billion to extend the existing border barriers. All for political posturing.
Wrong. The house has passed bills to re-open the government. Please hang up and try your call again later.
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Old 01-17-2019, 01:10 PM
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She is keeping the government shut down rather than agree to a few billion to extend the existing border barriers. All for political posturing.
No, Trump & McConnel are doing that. There was a deal, there was a budget, and Trump went back on it.

The issue is that the House sets the budget. It's there in the Constitution. The President can veto said budget but cant add items.

Trump is attempting to subvert the Constitution.
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Old 01-17-2019, 02:06 PM
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She is keeping the government shut down rather than agree to a few billion to extend the existing border barriers. All for political posturing.

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No, Trump & McConnel are doing that. There was a deal, there was a budget, and Trump went back on it.

The issue is that the House sets the budget. It's there in the Constitution. The President can veto said budget but cant add items.

Trump is attempting to subvert the Constitution.
For the benefit of blindboyard and others who apparently like to form an opinion by pulling nonsense out of their asses, here is a summary courtesy of business insider:

December 11: Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer meet with President Donald Trump to discuss the funding deadline. Trump demands $5 billion in border-wall funding, Democrats counter with an offer of $1.6 billion in general border-security funding. Trump rejects the idea and offers to take the blame for the shutdown. The president says he would be "proud" to shut down the government.


December 19: The Senate passes a clean short-term funding bill, called a continuing resolution (CR), that does not include border-wall funding but will keep the government open until February 8. Trump supported the bill at the time, Senate GOP leaders said.

December 20: Trump flip-flops on the clean CR after listening to attacks from conservative TV pundits and the hardline House Freedom Caucus, and he announces that he will not sign a bill with no wall funding. House Republicans then pass a CR that includes $5.7 billion in wall funds.

December 21: The Senate votes down the House version of the bill, and the government moves closer to a shutdown at the midnight deadline.


Bottom line: Trying to blame the shutdown on the Democrats, who took power in the house on January 3, and do not control the Senate is an exercise in extreme stupidity.
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Old 01-23-2019, 08:55 PM
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She is keeping the government shut down rather than agree to a few billion to extend the existing border barriers. All for political posturing.
Lying fucking troll.
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:40 AM
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Yup and what news they get is from Fox News which is straight up propaganda. Also, Pelosi using security as an excuse to cancel the speech is just fucking stupid and you can bet Fox is going to be hammering that point.
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