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Everyone here is wildly misreading MachineElf's posts even when he answers that he's agreeing with them.
Kinda nuts, innit? I'm out.
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Old 05-18-2020, 09:48 PM
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If you were threatening someone with a gun, and that person tried to take the gun from you, wouldn't you reasonably fear for your life?
Person A's unreasonable decision to confront Person B with a gun reasonably compelled Person B to try to take it from Person A. And since Person A is still holding the gun, Person A can't claim to be any more fearful than Person B, who was confronted and, out of fear, tried but failed to take the gun away from Person A, who unreasonably initiated the entire sequence of events to begin with. Person A is still unreasonable and armed, and Person B is still reasonably fearful and unarmed.
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my point is that I don't believe McMichael went into this whole situation with the intent of killing someone.

I only claimed it was reasonable for McMichael to fear for his life. This is the distinction that I think is maybe being lost here.



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If the intent was to intimidate, stalk, kidnap, threaten with a deadly weapon, how is that better? You're going around pushing people to the edge and daring them to make your day.

If the guy is chasing black people around with guns it seems his state of mind is that he is under threat from black people, whatever time of day you get him. You don't seem to think anything evil happened until the gun (unfortunately) went off.

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I think the same thing is true of "stand your ground" laws; they can be used by racists to commit murder and get away with it.
That’s what stand your ground laws are for, so that whites in the south can shoot dark skinned people whenever they get scared.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/ahmaud-...ce-11589630401

Looks like the local police department has a solid history:
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In 2018, the department lost its certifications with the Georgia Association of Chiefs of Police and the Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement—both of which are voluntary programs that provide standards around police training and professional development.

Butch Ayers, a spokesman for the Georgia Association of Chiefs of Police, said the Glynn County Police Department “fell out of compliance” with several of the group’s standards, including documentation of training and required audits of the evidence room.

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In 2017, Glynn County police supervisors learned that an officer in a narcotics unit had an improper relationship with a confidential informant, but failed to investigate and covered it up, according to a report by the grand jury. At least one supervisor refused to be interviewed by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and urged others not to cooperate, the report said.

“There is an ongoing culture of coverup, failure to supervise, abuse of power and lack of accountability within the administration of the Glynn County Police Department,” the jurors wrote.

The allegations of wrongdoing led to the February indictment of Chief Powell and three other officers. Chief Powell was placed on administrative leave with pay and an interim chief was named. Chief Powell’s attorney, Mitchell Shook, said: “We look forward to the opportunity to have our day in court to address the illegality of the indictment and the manner in which it was obtained.”
The state senator for the district where Arbery was killed had previously filed a bill to allow voters to abolish the department.
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When you wake up in the middle of the night with a guy standing over you in your bedroom, you are reasonably in fear of your life. Even if that guy is the one you had kidnapped and tied up in the basement, who got loose. If you shoot the guy in that case, though, regardless of the reasonableness of your fear, it isn’t self defense. It is murder. Just because the fear is or might be reasonable doesn’t matter if the situation is of your own making while you are committing a crime.
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And even as bad as this police department was, this guy was still too bad for them to let him stay on.
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Is there an active Georgia secession movement to which I may donate?
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When you wake up in the middle of the night with a guy standing over you in your bedroom, you are reasonably in fear of your life. Even if that guy is the one you had kidnapped and tied up in the basement, who got loose. If you shoot the guy in that case, though, regardless of the reasonableness of your fear, it isn’t self defense. It is murder. Just because the fear is or might be reasonable doesn’t matter if the situation is of your own making while you are committing a crime.
True, but the word "reasonable" has legal contexts.

And in the legal context, "reasonable" would not apply.
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