View Poll Results: I prefer...
raw URL 10 12.66%
hyperlink 50 63.29%
Depends on... 10 12.66%
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Old 11-07-2019, 11:49 AM
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URL vs hyperlink preference


When a link is posted, do you prefer that the raw URL be posted (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL), or a hyperlink?
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I prefer a hyperlink that gives a hint as to what the link is about, and mousing over it gives the URL anyway.
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Old 11-07-2019, 12:22 PM
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I prefer a hyperlink that gives a hint as to what the link is about, and mousing over it gives the URL anyway.
This.
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When a link is posted, do you prefer that the raw URL be posted (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL), or a hyperlink?
Hyperlink, especially because there's always a problem with the code dropping the end parenthesis on bare URLs
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Old 11-07-2019, 12:30 PM
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I prefer a hyperlink that gives a hint as to what the link is about, and mousing over it gives the URL anyway.
Exactly. With strong emphasis on "gives a hint". If I were King of the Internet, I'd make posting a YouTube link with nothing but a hyperlink reading "this" cause your device to deliver electric shocks until you promise to never do it again. Mousing over YouTube links doesn't tell you anything, other than it's a video.

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Hyperlink, especially because there's always a problem with the code dropping the end parenthesis on bare URLs
I've seen it with periods as well so any ending punctuation presumably gets dropped.
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I don't really care but if you're writing in somewhat academic style as opposed to making an normal post I prefer to see a single link in the bibliography rather than multiple links to the same thing for each inline citation.

Not that we have much of a choice here. If the URL is too long the board software automatically shortens it to a hyperlink with ellipsis, even when I manually write out the URL with tags and disable automatic link parsing. See example below

[URL=https://www.reuters.com/article/urnidgns002570f3005978d8002576f60035a6bb/long-url-please-idUS98192761820100330]https://www.reuters.com/article/urnidgns002570f3005978d8002576f60035a6bb/long-url-please-idUS98192761820100330[/URL]

becomes

https://www.reuters.com/article/urni...92761820100330

A workaround is to slightly modify the URL inside the BBCode tag, for example adding an extra parameter. Here I add a number sign "#".

[URL=https://www.reuters.com/article/urnidgns002570f3005978d8002576f60035a6bb/long-url-please-idUS98192761820100330#]https://www.reuters.com/article/urnidgns002570f3005978d8002576f60035a6bb/long-url-please-idUS98192761820100330[/URL]

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https://www.reuters.com/article/urnidgns002570f3005978d8002576f60035a6bb/long-url-please-idUS98192761820100330

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Old 11-07-2019, 02:06 PM
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I prefer a hyperlink that gives a hint as to what the link is about, and mousing over it gives the URL anyway.
This +1

And don't use link shorteners or whatever they are called. It's unnecessary.
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Old 11-07-2019, 02:08 PM
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I don't really care but if you're writing in somewhat academic style as opposed to making an normal post I prefer to see a single link in the bibliography rather than multiple links to the same thing for each inline citation.

Not that we have much of a choice here. If the URL is too long the board software automatically shortens it to a hyperlink with ellipsis, even when I manually write out the URL with tags and disable automatic link parsing. See example below

[URL=https://www.reuters.com/article/urnidgns002570f3005978d8002576f60035a6bb/long-url-please-idUS98192761820100330]https://www.reuters.com/article/urnidgns002570f3005978d8002576f60035a6bb/long-url-please-idUS98192761820100330[/URL]

becomes

https://www.reuters.com/article/urni...92761820100330

A workaround is to slightly modify the URL inside the BBCode tag, for example adding an extra parameter. Here I add a number sign "#".

[URL=https://www.reuters.com/article/urnidgns002570f3005978d8002576f60035a6bb/long-url-please-idUS98192761820100330#]https://www.reuters.com/article/urnidgns002570f3005978d8002576f60035a6bb/long-url-please-idUS98192761820100330[/URL]

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https://www.reuters.com/article/urnidgns002570f3005978d8002576f60035a6bb/long-url-please-idUS98192761820100330

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Just use Reuters article about 'topic'
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Old 11-07-2019, 02:23 PM
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I prefer a hyperlink that gives a hint as to what the link is about, and mousing over it gives the URL anyway.
Another vote for this.
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Old 11-07-2019, 02:28 PM
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I think I like the URL a little better but mostly I want pie. What can I say? Polls make me hungry.
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Old 11-07-2019, 02:43 PM
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I think I like the URL a little better but mostly I want pie. What can I say? Polls make me hungry.
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Sorry I ran out.
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Old 11-07-2019, 02:51 PM
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Sorry I ran out.
A hyperlink is a more efficient use of space:

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Old 11-07-2019, 03:31 PM
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A hyperlink is a more efficient use of space:

π
Touché.

Just as Hostess Fruit Pies are more efficient ways to eat pie. And you can distract supervillains by throwing them in their direction.
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Old 11-07-2019, 03:46 PM
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So far as I can tell, the only reason to use a naked URL is because you can't figure out how to use the URL tag. Which is a perfectly fine and valid reason to do it. But it does mean that nobody, ever, is going to be putting in meaningless alterations to the URL to force the URL condenser to leave it alone.
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Old 11-07-2019, 03:55 PM
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Either, although pasting a hyperlink on a phone is a pain in the ass, so I understand why people (me included) just paste the raw URL.

Also, without an explanation of what the hyperlink is I can't mouse over on a phone to get a clue. At least when I see a YouTube URL I expect a video.

So, in summary, please include a damned description of what your hyperlink or URL goes to.
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Old 11-07-2019, 04:03 PM
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Best song ever!

Like that?
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Old 11-07-2019, 04:28 PM
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Best song ever!

Like that?
Yeah. Just like that. And I'm surprised I didn't get Rick rolled!

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Old 11-07-2019, 04:51 PM
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I almost always use the URL code. Once in a great while I do a naked URL. E.g., if there's something about the URL itself I want to give some attention.

The real issue is people not providing context to a link. Those "This is a great video <link>."-type posts are detestable.
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Old 11-07-2019, 06:32 PM
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You mean like this?

Gralla, P. (2010, March 31). Long URL Please. Reuters Thompson (Republished from PC World). Retrieved November 7, 2019 from https://www.reuters.com/article/urnidgns002570f3005978d8002576f60035a6bb/long-url-please-idUS98192761820100330

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Old 11-07-2019, 06:36 PM
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So far as I can tell, the only reason to use a naked URL is because you can't figure out how to use the URL tag. Which is a perfectly fine and valid reason to do it. But it does mean that nobody, ever, is going to be putting in meaningless alterations to the URL to force the URL condenser to leave it alone.
I've gotten into the habit of leaving the full URL written out because in my experience on other forums, sometimes a bug or migration to newer software will leave all of the hyperlinks nonfunctional.

Of course, this message board seems pretty set on staying with the same software until hamsters go extinct. So my fear may be unfounded.

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Old 11-07-2019, 07:17 PM
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Sorry I ran out.
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Old 11-07-2019, 07:43 PM
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OK, I'll grant that that would be a valid reason to not only leave the full URL visible, but also to protect it against the auto-shortener.

And I suppose that I've occasionally used visible URLs in contexts where I wasn't convinced that link coding would work right for all viewers (e-mail, for instance, though it's a rare e-mail program nowadays that wouldn't recognize HTML email). Or, I suppose, for something that will be printed out.
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If you feel it necessary to include the whole URL, please do the rest of us a favor and test it before posting. That way, you can correct things like the closing parenthesis that gets dropped.

Actually, even if you use a hyperlink, you should test it.

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Old 11-07-2019, 08:05 PM
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You mean like this?

Gralla, P. (2010, March 31). Long URL Please. Reuters Thompson (Republished from PC World). Retrieved November 7, 2019 from https://www.reuters.com/article/urni...92761820100330

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I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here.
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I prefer the hyperlink, but in Thread Games when we're working with lists by copying and pasting, the long URL is preferable because the hyperlink is lost in the copy/paste process.
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I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here.
If I'm attempting to follow a style book, the URL is being written out to some extent no matter what. So it could be like this:
Gralla, P. (2010, March 31). Long URL Please. Reuters Thompson (Republished from PC World). Retrieved November 7, 2019 from https://www.reuters.com/article/urnidgns002570f3005978d8002576f60035a6bb/long-url-please-idUS98192761820100330
or like this:
Gralla, P. (2010, March 31). Long URL Please. Reuters Thompson (Republished from PC World). Retrieved November 7, 2019 from https://www.reuters.com/article/urnidgns002570f3005978d8002576f60035a6bb/long-url-please-idUS98192761820100330
or like this:
Gralla, P. (2010, March 31). Long URL Please. Reuters Thompson (Republished from PC World). Retrieved November 7, 2019 from https://www.reuters.com/article/urni...92761820100330
or like this:
Gralla, P. (2010, March 31). Long URL Please. Reuters Thompson (Republished from PC World). Retrieved November 7, 2019 from https://www.reuters.com/article/urnidgns002570f3005978d8002576f60035a6bb/long-url-please-idUS98192761820100330
Although with DOIs I usually make that a hyperlink.

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Old 11-07-2019, 09:37 PM
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The URL being written out to some extent is only relevant if you are for some reason making an style-book dictated posting. Why would you be doing that on this message board?

What's wrong with:

Gralla, P. (2010, March 31). Long URL Please. Reuters Thompson (Republished from PC World). Retrieved November 7, 2019 from link
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I can't "mouse over" a link on my phone. I can click and hold to get a menu, but Android doesn't show me the end of the url like this board does, just the beginning. So I don't get a warning if it's a PDF like I do if someone just posts the URL.
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And if it's an academic work, just post the DOI.
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Old 11-08-2019, 09:01 AM
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Either, although pasting a hyperlink on a phone is a pain in the ass, so I understand why people (me included) just paste the raw URL.
This is why I often don’t use hyperlink code. It can take 2-3 times as long to post something and a lot more frustrating. The UI for making links on this forum sucks on a mobile device. As I type this now I only have two buttons to aid formatting, “fonts” and “size”, neither of which I ever use. I have to painstakingly type out BBcode and fight autocorrect and other “helper” features on my device which then undo what I type, forcing me sometimes to have to redo the code again.

Or I long-press and choose “paste”. Which method do you think I will use? Though I rarely if ever post a link without writing something explaining what the link is first,

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The real issue is people not providing context to a link. Those "This is a great video <link>."-type posts are detestable.
Honestly there should be a rule against only posting links (especially to a long video) without any explanation as to what the link is to, what you think about it, why you posted the link, etc. I have seen moderators issue warnings against posters who make a habit of doing that (especially if a thread just has a link as the OP) so I guess there’s an unwritten rule at least.
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I prefer the hyperlink, but in Thread Games when we're working with lists by copying and pasting, the long URL is preferable because the hyperlink is lost in the copy/paste process.
If you "Reply with Quote" and delete the "[ QUOTE=.... ]" and "[ /QUOTE ]" tags, links are preserved. This is also a smidge easier than copy-and-paste on a phone, IME.
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If you "Reply with Quote" and delete the "[ QUOTE=.... ]" and "[ /QUOTE ]" tags, links are preserved. This is also a smidge easier than copy-and-paste on a phone, IME.
I guess I'm backwards on that. I find copy/paste easier both on a phone and a PC. Although reply with quote may resolve the spacing issues I have with lists when I'm on the phone. I'll have to play with it.
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I prefer a hyperlink that gives a hint as to what the link is about, and mousing over it gives the URL anyway.
Yep, this.
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Old 11-12-2019, 04:52 PM
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So far as I can tell, the only reason to use a naked URL is because you can't figure out how to use the URL tag. Which is a perfectly fine and valid reason to do it. But it does mean that nobody, ever, is going to be putting in meaningless alterations to the URL to force the URL condenser to leave it alone.
That's my reason. If I'm posting from my phone I usually don't remember how to format the tag. If I'm at a PC, I'll take the time to figure it out, tell myself not to forget how, and then promptly forget how.
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The URL being written out to some extent is only relevant if you are for some reason making an style-book dictated posting. Why would you be doing that on this message board?

What's wrong with:

Gralla, P. (2010, March 31). Long URL Please. Reuters Thompson (Republished from PC World). Retrieved November 7, 2019 from link
Out of habit. Also making a hyperlink is more work.

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I post almost exclusively from my phone. Setting up a link is much harder than just pasting a URL and the board shortens it so that it isn't unwieldy. I always note if something is a PDF or a video, because I hate having those sprung on me. I think both should be required unless obvious. (YouTube URL is obviously a video.). I can't hover over links.

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Nearly 2/3 of the respondents prefer a link.

Personally, I don't find "I'm posting from my phone" a convincing argument to do otherwise.

Note: Not directed at any poster in this thread.
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I prefer the hyperlink, but in Thread Games when we're working with lists by copying and pasting, the long URL is preferable because the hyperlink is lost in the copy/paste process.
Can you right-click on the hyperlink and copy the URL?

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Also making a hyperlink is more work.
Not much (unless you're on a phone). Select what you want to link and click the hyperlink button.
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:21 PM
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Out of habit. Also making a hyperlink is more work.

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Is it more work from a phone? I'm asking because I never look at this board or post from a phone, and on my computer, I just click the "hyperlink" button. Seems pretty easy to me.
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Not much (unless you're on a phone). Select what you want to link and click the hyperlink button.
I don't usually post from my phone, but neither the phone nor the computer interfaces that I use have a hyperlink button. There's only a single option for me, "Automatically parse links in text".

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I don't usually post from my phone, but neither the phone nor the computer interfaces that I use have a hyperlink button. There's only a single option for me, "Automatically parse links in text".
Those are check boxes. The buttons should be above the text box with all the formatting options. One of those is a hyperlink button. It will give you the option to enter the URL that you want the text you selected to link too:

1. Select the text you want to make a link.
2. Click the hyperlink button.
3. Copy the link into the box.
4. Click OK
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Old 11-14-2019, 01:33 AM
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Those are check boxes. The buttons should be above the text box with all the formatting options. One of those is a hyperlink button. It will give you the option to enter the URL that you want the text you selected to link too:

1. Select the text you want to make a link.
2. Click the hyperlink button.
3. Copy the link into the box.
4. Click OK
There is no hyperlink button, or any button above the text box. There are two buttons below the text box, "Submit Reply" and "Preview Post".

I believe I am using the minimalist editor setting. The reason is that the default editor displays improperly on my phone, such that I can't post at all. I was also having problems with line spacing if I remember correctly.

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With very few exceptions, I always post the information at the link, followed by the raw URL.

Here's why.

The steps Yonkeroo repeats for us go awry if you forget to write the description, or then if you forget to select it, or if you forgot to copy the URL. You then wind up needing to try the whole thing again or manually fixing the generated BB code.

The latter is prone to error and can wind up being almost as much work as manually typing all the BB code. For one thing, you can screw up the generated code. Another problem is that using ctl-left/right arrow will position you to parts of the URL and not directly to the description, adding to the tedium of the process.

Call me lazy, if you want. But it works for me. I've done this since the Great PDF Controversy of 2005. http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...5&postcount=52
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[QUOTE=rowrrbazzle;21978929I've done this since the Great PDF Controversy of 2005. [/QUOTE]

And 2006, 2007, 2008 ...
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It depends.

A hyperlink is neater and takes less space. What I don't like is surprises. If it's a YouTube video please indicate that fact so I can ignore it, as was discussed a long time ago but apparently ignored by everyone. I don't know how many times I've clicked a hyperlink and then had to shut down a stupid video tab. I still think it's courteous to also indicate when a hyperlink is a PDF.
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