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Old 06-25-2014, 12:56 PM
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I'm not much of a WWE historian (much less recent history) but has a Money in the Bank winner ever cashed his briefcase in the SAME
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Kane, in 2010. It has been attempted a number of times besides then, but the briefcase holder is usually attacked by someone besides the champion before the match can begin.

Here's a thought: what if it is cashed in right after the title match - but then (insert the name of some WWE authority figure here) announces that the MITB can be cashed in for only one of the two belts? Eventually, the two champions and DB can then have a Triple Threat Unification Match when Bryan is fit enough - say, at Survivor Series.
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Hell, was making me think that if WWE "Creative"* has nothing for Ziggler, send him down to NXT for a couple of months where he can be an absolute rock star and probably teach some of the new folks a thing or two.
Zig is such an awesome worker. He adds so much more motion to his opponent's attacks, and his long hair whips add even more. I studied animation in the past, and remember the "squash and stretch" rules. It's one thing for a cartoon character to do it, but seeing an actual live human do the same thing makes my jaw drop.

Zig's selling ability is probably what's holding him back. He's fantastic at making his opponent look good, the way Ric Flair used to be. He just needs to take the Lame-Asser out of his arsenal.
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Zig is such an awesome worker. He adds so much more motion to his opponent's attacks, and his long hair whips add even more. I studied animation in the past, and remember the "squash and stretch" rules. It's one thing for a cartoon character to do it, but seeing an actual live human do the same thing makes my jaw drop.

Zig's selling ability is probably what's holding him back. He's fantastic at making his opponent look good, the way Ric Flair used to be. He just needs to take the Lame-Asser out of his arsenal.
Dont rule out too that the Authority apparently hates him and he'll never be more than he is now.

Even being relegated to NXT to "show the kids" would probably be showing them the "wrong" things according to the Authority
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The problem is his mouth and the bad timing of his injuries. Note that poorly timed injuries don't hurt you if you're a top guy, but if you're not, they become an excuse not to push you to that level.

Sadly, Rick Flair specifically asked to work with Ziggler as part of his return to WWE, and they said no. They said they'd give him Miz.
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Old 06-26-2014, 08:09 AM
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I'm surprised Miz hasn't been let go yet. He's useless.
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Oh definitely, the 'meriken Dream Dussy Rhoooodes, the Bull of the Woods if you weel, is proof of that. But that "Really" thing has gotten old. The last Miz TV segment, he and Titus sold hip tosses for Michael Strahan. Like Stephanie said, he's the one they send to all the strip malls and high school gyms on promo tours. WWE thought they could bring in Reality TV audiences via Miz, but now that they have Total Divas for that.
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Oh definitely, the 'meriken Dream Dussy Rhoooodes, the Bull of the Woods if you weel, is proof of that. But that "Really" thing has gotten old. The last Miz TV segment, he and Titus sold hip tosses for Michael Strahan. Like Stephanie said, he's the one they send to all the strip malls and high school gyms on promo tours. WWE thought they could bring in Reality TV audiences via Miz, but now that they have Total Divas for that.
Even if thats the case and they tapir him off of the "reality" angle, he's still not TERRIBLE in the ring, and he certainly gets heat.

There is narry a superstar on the roster that gets the fan response that he does in BOTH directions. The cheers are as loud as the boos...and they're all loud
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I dunno, not going to hate on Miz. The man has done tons of TV, a handful of movies, earned through hard work the respect of his peers (who hated him to start), flown in an F/A-18, won the championship at Wrestlemania, married Maryse.

But damn it, if Rick Flair wanted to work with Nick Nemeth (Ziggler), then he should fucking well be allowed to work with Ziggler.
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The problem is his mouth and the bad timing of his injuries. Note that poorly timed injuries don't hurt you if you're a top guy, but if you're not, they become an excuse not to push you to that level.
He could also, IMO (and IIRC, in the opinion of a few people who actually know what they're talking about) use a new gimmick. The arrogant 1980s porn star type of thing he's got going on now might work for a midcard heel, even a top midcard heel, but it's not working for him as a face. That gimmick is just someone I wanna hate.

And speaking of poorly-timed injuries... Bad news for Barrett, who separated his shoulder in Pittsburgh, courtesy of Jack Swagger. Hopefully he'll be able to stay relevant while he heals up. Maybe he can bring back that ridiculous, amazing elevated podium he was using when he was getting the gimmick over before he got back in the ring. Most importantly, I'm sure his feline friends will have lots of purrs to help him mend.
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And speaking of poorly-timed injuries... Bad news for Barrett, who separated his shoulder in Pittsburgh
Is it wrong that I'm imagining his doctor breaking it to him by saying "Mr. Barrett, I'M AFRAID I'VE GOT SOME BAD NEWS!"?
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He could also, IMO (and IIRC, in the opinion of a few people who actually know what they're talking about) use a new gimmick. The arrogant 1980s porn star type of thing he's got going on now might work for a midcard heel, even a top midcard heel, but it's not working for him as a face. That gimmick is just someone I wanna hate.

And speaking of poorly-timed injuries... Bad news for Barrett, who separated his shoulder in Pittsburgh, courtesy of Jack Swagger. Hopefully he'll be able to stay relevant while he heals up. Maybe he can bring back that ridiculous, amazing elevated podium he was using when he was getting the gimmick over before he got back in the ring. Most importantly, I'm sure his feline friends will have lots of purrs to help him mend.
They just announced that they weren't going to be touring with the podium due to the budget cuts. That may get changed if it's the best way to keep him relevant.
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I loved it when Barrett told the DC crowd, "your racist football team is still going to lose!"
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And speaking of poorly-timed injuries... Bad news for Barrett, who separated his shoulder in Pittsburgh, courtesy of Jack Swagger. Hopefully he'll be able to stay relevant while he heals up. Maybe he can bring back that ridiculous, amazing elevated podium he was using when he was getting the gimmick over before he got back in the ring. Most importantly, I'm sure his feline friends will have lots of purrs to help him mend.
And it happened on friggin Smackdown no less.

The good news (kinda) is that it's a separated shoulder, which is easily popped into place, rested for a while, and then is back and ready to go.

Which shoulder was it? Bull-Hammer shoulder or the other one?
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Watched MITB last night on the network. Very good show, but the ending was kind of anticlimactic. They didn't separate the belts, and John Cena is champ for the umpteenth time.

My favorite moments:
  • Wyatts vs Usos---My boys Harper and Rowan lost, but they don't need the belts to get over.
  • Ambrose's "Face or case?" His feud with Rollins is going to be epic. I was expecting a situation where Rollins is about to get the case and Ambrose spoils his efforts, but makes no effort to get the case himself because he values Rollins's pain and humiliation over a title shot. But, there's still time.
  • Dean Ambrose superflexes Seth Rollins off the ladder---When they landed, the camera did a close-up of Ambrose's face, and his expression was like "What the f*ck was I thinking? That HURT!"
  • Rollins takes a sick bump and gets catapulted onto the ladder bridge---That just made his career.
  • Rusev gets torpedo'ed by Big E and lands flat on the concrete---Shows he is more than a one-trick pony. He might actually have a lengthy career, so we get to see Lana's ass in those tight red outfits more often.
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I mostly liked MITB - I expected Cena to win since he's the safe choice to be interim champ until he gets fed to Lesnar at Summerslam, and I was disappointed that the Wyatts didn't win the tag titles. On the other hand, Paige vs. Naomi was one of the best women's matches on a main roster show in ages, and there were some really impressive spots in both of the ladder matches.

The ending of the contract match pissed me off, though. Instead of having Rollins win the match through pure physical dominance, they went with a complete bullshit ending where he needed help from Kane to win the briefcase. I can understand protecting Ambrose by not having him job clean, but a heel is not a credible threat if he can't win a match on his own - cf. Randy Orton's recent title reign where every single title defense he had he only won because he had Kane, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, or the Big Show watching his back, and instead of looking like "the face of the WWE" he looked like a bitchy prima donna.
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I agree with both parts of MITB above.

I actually don't mind totally that Cena has the titles because it cements his legacy a bit more (as if he needed it, but he's tied with Flair now) and we all knew that this was gonna be temporary, and it was either him or RKO, so why not him? It'll make him losing it all the sweeter for the haters.

I always give WAY too much credit to the WWE for their storylines, but maybe having Rollins constantly get babied will piss him off and he does a face turn by having a "I can do it myself!" kind of thing? Hopefully?

Rollins and Ambrose are GOLD together. I hate that Rollins is the heel in this instance, but I love the chemistry these guys have together. Actually as I'm thinking of it, I like rooting for Ambrose too.

I am so over Kane. He's boring, pointless, not intimidating at all, his outfit is stupid, his mask is even stupider, he's slow, lumbering...ugh just bad. Bring back Korporate Kane he was at least interesting then.

I never rlsas ahysra....sorry about that typo, I had to wash out the gallons of blood pouring from my head. Between RKO's head, Rusev (broo ha ha!)'s mouth this was the bloodiest PPV in a while.

Divas matches were ok I guess. Paige and Naomi was botch-a-palooza and it looked like Paige got herself good on her leg, but good for her for pulling through. Having Cameron there is pointless, just have her turn or get her out of there.

I thought this was a good PPV overall, although it didn't feel as EPIC as PPVs tend to, it actually felt like an above average RAW to me, do you think maybe the access of it via the network makes it that way?













Let's go Cena.....
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I actually don't mind totally that Cena has the titles because it cements his legacy a bit more (as if he needed it, but he's tied with Flair now)
Not quite yet, actually. Cena has eleven WWE championships, three world championships, and now one undisputed championship, for a total of 15. WWE recognizes Flair as a two-time WWE champion and a 14-time world champion for a total of 16, which leaves Cena one shy of tying him.

Depending on how you count it, however, Flair's actual number of world championships between NWA, WCW, and WWE may be as high as 26. (There was apparently a period where he and Harley Race traded the NWA title back and forth at house shows several times, which aren't officially recognized.)

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I assume they know Cena is going to be booed heavily everywhere he goes now. People will probably cheer Leaner against Cena. The crowds might even cheer Batista if he took on Cena now.
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I assume they know Cena is going to be booed heavily everywhere he goes now. People will probably cheer Leaner against Cena. The crowds might even cheer Batista if he took on Cena now.
He's always been booed pretty heavily, but for every boo there are 3 little cheers.

It's why the "Let's go Cena" "Cena Sucks" dynamic is so prevalent
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I'm not sure I buy into the popular wisdom that we're just feeding Cena to Lesnar at Summerslam. It makes about as much sense to give Lesnar the belt as it would the Undertaker or The Rock. The guys who are only putting in a small amount of time per year and have agreements to that effect don't make sense as being in the title picture.

I think the original plan would have been to feed Lesnar to Daniel Bryan, which would have massively pumped up DB's legitimacy. But since they had to strip Bryan of the belt, I think they may have to retool the entirety of their plan for Lesnar at Summerslam. Since Lesnar is never going back to even close to full time (or even part time) WWE roster because he hates the life and the travel, you'll never see him doing more than a few Raw appearances and a few PPVs per year. So from a booking perspective you can only have him win in a non-title match as it makes little sense to make the somewhat irrelevant WWE titles even more irrelevant by putting them on a guy who will only be seen on TV maybe 3 times a year and on PPVs 4-5 times.

If you book Cena to defend the title against Lesnar just so Lesnar loses to Cena, that's a waste of a Lesnar appearance. If his deal is anything like the Undertakers (which I've heard is a strict per-appearance fee) then it's a waste of a decent chunk of change for something that will advance no storyline and do nothing to hep bring up new wrestlers. Cena is already established. The only way Lesnar winning would make sense is if you're able to bring someone in to take it from him immediately in like a Raw appearance or the next PPV, because you definitely can't have an absentee champion for more than an entire PPV cycle or you might as well just get rid of the belts and the championship.
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Just remember, Paul Heyman's client, BrrrrrOCK LES-NAR, ended the Undertaker's streak at Wrestlemania etc.

Maybe the long-term plan is that Seth Rollins, after he wraps up his feud with Dean Ambrose, cashes in his MITB contract immediately following the Lesnar-Cena match. That way, it won't matter who wins the belt, because Seth will step in and take it after both contestants beat the hell out of each other. Brock goes back to Minnesota with his newly padded bank account, and Cena takes a few weeks off.
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I always thought the prevailing theory was Lesnar/Reigns at Wrestlemania 31 for the title.

But if Lesnar wins it at SummerSlam, surely they can't have an absent belt for damn near a year can they?!?
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None of this is nearly as important as someone telling Rollins that he is neither the Black Ranger nor a SCUBA diver, and thus he should get some gear more appropriate to his gimmick.
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Also, I know they don't keep feuds going for a year anymore, but I sure would like to see Ambrose just keep thwarting Rollins to the point where the expiration of the MITB contract became an issue.

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Wow what a RAW. That's one of the best, most unpredictable RAWs in recent memory.

The return of Jericho? A feud with Bray? AJ is back (and apparently not pregnant), BNB is out (again) and now a Battle Royale for the IC title! Oh, did I mention the IC title is cursed? Bad News Barrett gets hurt so they announce the number one contender CESARO.....who then gets hurt.

The ending with a hurt Cena, a ready-to-cash Rollins, with Ambrose ruining it, and a staredown with Trips.

Best RAW in ages
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In other news, Emma was arrested on Monday for shoplifting at Wal-Mart.

Apparently, she used the self checkout while buying some stuff and forgot to ring up an iPad case, and the charge will be stricken from the record after she does some community service.

I hope WWE doesn't bury her for this, because she's a pretty good wrestler when they let her be.

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Heh, bad publicity is good publicity for WWE. They'll probably tie Emma's predicament into Total Divas.

Now her pointy dance will be synonymous with shoplifting.
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I am pretty much a benefit-of-the-doubt kind of guy anyway, but I can't seriously believe that she purposely tried to steal a whopping 25 dollar product.

She's no Bella, but she's doing well enough to afford that. I've accidentally stolen shit from a self checkout too, I can't imagine this was on purpose
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Knowing Vince, he'll probably stick her with a 'kleptomaniac' gimmick for the next year.
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So, they bring back Jericho, one of the most popular performers ever, and immediately have him beaten up by the Wyatts in order to...what was the purpose of this again? To establish that the Wyatt clan are evil?
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So, they bring back Jericho, one of the most popular performers ever, and immediately have him beaten up by the Wyatts in order to...what was the purpose of this again? To establish that the Wyatt clan are evil?
Maybe to show that Wyatt can actually wrestle?

Y2J is known for putting on good matches and Bray hasn't really won in like a month and a half, maybe to give him a push
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I'm going to give this a shot GoodOmens. It's probably nothing near what WWE creative has planned (if anything), but I like to speculate anyway.

The Wyatts' angle is based on doomsday cults. Bear in mind, WWE doesn't want to risk alienating their Christian audience, so Bray's not going to mention anything about God or Jesus in his rants. He's passing himself off as a god, prophet, messiah or whatever. It doesn't have to be logical, because he's insane. This approach works, as the Wyatts are now hugely over.

The word "Jericho" is a semi-Christian icon. More of a Jewish icon, but it's biblical. The city of Jericho was encased in impregnable walls. Under command from God, Joshua had the Israelites circle the city seven times, then blow ram horns and shout. The walls came tumbling down and the Israelites destroyed the city. So, Jericho is seen as a symbol of victory.

Since Bray didn't win the WWE titles at MITB, he didn't achieve the godlike status he wanted. So, he's going to recreate the Battle of Jericho symbolically and beat down Chris Jericho. He figures this will provide the impetus for him to eventually become WWE champion. CJ will probably beat Rowan and Harper in singles' matches, then have a showdown with Bray at the next PPV, much like the Bray/Cena angle.
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Eh, don't think about it that much. Jericho decided he wanted to come back and specifically asked to feud with Bray Wyatt. This can only help Wyatt and keep him occupied while other wheels spin. Wyatt is a good talker and Jericho is one of the best. Having them feud should hopefully be awesome - and help Wyatt develop further as both a talker and a wrestler.

Years ago Jericho used to loudly proclaim over and over "I'm the Best in the World at what I do". What he *did* was to bring heat and make other people look better. And yes, he was the very best at doing that. After a year(?) of Jericho being away and saying that he didn't see any particular reason to return, it's an honor that he decided to come back specifically to put Wyatt over.
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And Emma has been future endeavored.

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And Emma has been future endeavored.
And then rehired two hours later.
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Betting Vince or one of his lackeys said cut her, then H intervened.
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The only half-joking theory prevailing on another board I read is that half an hour after they fired her, they remembered that they're touring in Australia later this year.
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Maybe to show that Wyatt can actually wrestle?

Y2J is known for putting on good matches and Bray hasn't really won in like a month and a half, maybe to give him a push
I really like that Jericho and RVD come back to help push young talent. I do think RVD needs a big win here and there just so that when the pushee gets the win, it seems even bigger, but the learning experience for the young talent is something no amount of NXT can give.
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Betting Vince or one of his lackeys said cut her, then H intervened.
If it was Vince's idea, not even Trips - not even Stephanie - has enough stroke to overrule it.

IIRC, the last time HHH wanted a "favor" from Vince - not having to go to Smackdown after it was announced on a Raw Roulette show - it came with a price; he had to lose clean to some midcarder on Raw.
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A decent RAW last night (save for the godawful pointless divas matches).

Started with a confusing promo from Reigns. He's pretty bad on the mic and I don't understand the point. Make him scary? Kind of an asshole? He just fell flat to me on that promo, and if the WWE is going all-in on him, and making him Cena 2.0, he has A LOT of work to do. Also Kane came out whom I HAAAATTTTEEE

I always will love an Ambrose fight, so he didn't disappoint as normal. I think he and RKO work pretty well together.

If I ever go to an event I swear I'm gonna have a sign that says "Push Kofi". I love me some Kofi Kingston and I think he should get a legitimate push. He makes his opponents look good, he's willing to do awesome spots, and he's willing to go all out in a ladder match. He had another good match with Cesaro, leading to a win! Which confuses me because I don't know what this does to Cesaro's character. Is this supposed to make him stronger? weaker? more of a heel?

Rusev crush. Which is kinda fine with me because he at least isn't doing squash matches anymore. He still wins, but at least RVD is semi-legit.

Pointless-ass promo with RKO and Kane. I guess it shows dissension in the ranks, but it was ruined by...you guessed it...Kane

Sandow is hilarious I don't care what anyone says, but this week he fell flat. He needed to come out as Bret in the first place, then be sharpshot (sharpshootered?) by the REAL Bret and call it a segment.

Why is Paige being all buddy-buddy with AJ? They're literally the only Divas who can fight, so make em rival! Also can we call the team Pai-Jay Lee?

Rollins and Cena made a pretty good match. Cena isn't the best foil for Rollins's athleticism, so he felt a bit wasted, but otherwise it was a decent match until. GODDAMN KANE. He's so pointless. I hate him. I hate his stupid voice, and walk, and look, and mask and...gosh....everything. It's not even heel heat for me, X-pac heat all the way. And it all ends with a yawn ending. Kane interferes, Cena is knocked out, fake cash in, Ambrose, copyright, go home.

One more til Battleground right?
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Started with a confusing promo from Reigns. He's pretty bad on the mic and I don't understand the point. Make him scary? Kind of an asshole? He just fell flat to me on that promo, and if the WWE is going all-in on him, and making him Cena 2.0, he has A LOT of work to do. Also Kane came out whom I HAAAATTTTEEE
You and I must not have watched the same promo. Dude called Kane a bitch to his face and then speared Fit Finlay. (I also recognized Jamie Noble and Mike Rotunda (i.e. Irwin R. Shyster) among the executives they used in that segment.)

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I always will love an Ambrose fight, so he didn't disappoint as normal. I think he and RKO work pretty well together.
No disagreements there. That was a hell of a match, even if they went to the same old "fake RKO-clothesline-real RKO/pin" spot that they use whenever Randy actually has to win a match clean.

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If I ever go to an event I swear I'm gonna have a sign that says "Push Kofi". I love me some Kofi Kingston and I think he should get a legitimate push. He makes his opponents look good, he's willing to do awesome spots, and he's willing to go all out in a ladder match. He had another good match with Cesaro, leading to a win! Which confuses me because I don't know what this does to Cesaro's character. Is this supposed to make him stronger? weaker? more of a heel?
There's a guy who did some research recently and came up with a history of the WWE championship as it would have been if there had never been any non-title matches, multi-man matches, or storyline title strippings. If one follows that history, then Kofi is the three-time and current world champion.

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Sandow is hilarious I don't care what anyone says, but this week he fell flat. He needed to come out as Bret in the first place, then be sharpshot (sharpshootered?) by the REAL Bret and call it a segment.
IMO, they missed an opportunity to have Sheamus put "Sandhart" in the Sharpshooter and then have Bret call for the bell.

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Rollins and Cena made a pretty good match. Cena isn't the best foil for Rollins's athleticism, so he felt a bit wasted, but otherwise it was a decent match until. GODDAMN KANE. He's so pointless. I hate him. I hate his stupid voice, and walk, and look, and mask and...gosh....everything. It's not even heel heat for me, X-pac heat all the way. And it all ends with a yawn ending. Kane interferes, Cena is knocked out, fake cash in, Ambrose, copyright, go home.
I hate the way they're using Kane right now, because I dislike booking where the heels are ineffectual pussies who can only win a match via cheating or outside interference, and the way things are Kane is basically just the Authority's I-Win-Button. That being said, I got the impression from his promos tonight that they're about to turn him again, and since I enjoyed the comic-relief Team Hell No version of Kane a lot more than I've enjoyed his recent antics, I consider that a good thing.

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I really liked Kane in his original run as a monster heel and also liked that, up there with Taker, he was a tall big guy who could/still can work a good match. You don't see the latter very often because almost all of his appearances now you can tell his actions are heavily pre-scripted (I think it hurts that wrestlers don't call spots and work a fluid match as much as they used to, but I get the impression some of the lower card this still happens.) But Kane has been very poorly used as a character, if you're going to have him be this bumbling pussy whose only role is to interfere in matches for the Authority keeping him as Corporate Kane made a lot more sense.

Trying to rebrand him as his old school "monster" style heel doesn't work when you make him lose in a straight fight to anyone. The original Kane monster heel run he was the only guy in WWE at the time who could kick out of basically any finisher (back when guys didn't kick out after finishers 3-4 times a night), including multiple tombstones from Taker, and even the top babyfaces got manhandled by Kane in many instances. That's essentially how a monster heel should be, but WWE doesn't seem to remember that.
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Orton: I'm starting to hate that kid.

Kane: I'm starting to hate you even more.

Kane's promos, "I'm the devil's favorite demon" blah blah blah are old hat, but I like his conversation skills. He shined greatest in this category back when he and Daniel Bryan were undergoing group therapy. I liked it when he had that job at a greasy spoon diner and told the doctor and Bryan "The cook made demands on me that provoked my anger issues. I resolved them by dunking his head in the fryer."

Aside from that, Kane's always been regulated to some kind of support role. UT has been wrestling one match/year for the past 5 years or so, so here's another tall guy who choke slams people. The major heels need a fall guy, so here's a tall guy who choke slams people. Bryan needs somebody to feud with while Orton and Cena are at it, so here's a tall guy who choke slams people. Kane isn't going to make waves. He may not be the top draw, but he's had a lengthy career. He knows the business, and can fill in when needed.
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Why is Paige being all buddy-buddy with AJ? They're literally the only Divas who can fight, so make em rival! Also can we call the team Pai-Jay Lee?
My opinion is that Paige is turning heel and will betray AJ (who seems to be playing a face currently) after she gains her trust. Then Paige will join up with Cameron and AJ will team with Naomi.

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UT has been wrestling one match/year for the past 5 years or so, so here's another tall guy who choke slams people.
Don't forget, he has to carry on the tombstone piledriver too.
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Kofi holds his own, but he needs to add a moonsault to his moves if they really want to call him a high flyer. He jumps really high... then punches someone. He jumps really high... then does a crossbody. He needs to do a flip!
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Something else I noticed about one of the feuds, and it makes me realize something about myself.

I really don't like watching other people kiss. So this whole Fandango/Ziggler/Summer Rae/Layla thing can stop now because I don't like the PDA
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I really don't like watching other people kiss. So this whole Fandango/Ziggler/Summer Rae/Layla thing can stop now because I don't like the PDA
I can deal with the PDA. What I can't deal with is Layla trying (and failing) to pretend she has an American accent.
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So who do you guys think will be next to move from NXT to the main roster?

Adrian Neville: He's already beaten RVD, and could probably work well in matches with Del Rio and Cesaro, but I have a feeling Vince would bury him after a few debut wins. Probably the next Kofi Kingston.

Sami Zayn: He's beaten main roster has-beens like Justin Gabriel, and has the goofy-but-effective personality that would win over fans. They might want him to take the Arabic script off his trunks, however.

Tyler Breeze: They already have Fandango as the narcissist heel, and Breeze is probably smaller than Rey Mysterio. He would probably have to change gimmicks and be the WWE equivalent of Rockstar Spud. He should stay in NXT for now.

Amore and Cassaday: I could see these guys working with Rybaxel and the Wyatts. They seem to be naturals at connecting with the crowd.

Ascension: They're like three-quarter scaled Road Warriors. They squash all the runts. Maybe if they were Paul Heyman guys, but I don't see them being more than enhancement talent to the Rhodes brothers.

Charlotte: Oh, definitely. Maybe after AJ's return has settled down a bit.
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Charlotte and the Ascension for sure...I just don't know when.

I think the Ascension guys would be good rumble entrants, working together to eliminate a guy or two to show their power, and then bring them up shortly thereafter.

Hell, Charlotte could be called up tomorrow and fare just fine.
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