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Hey Hubert: you going to answer why you’re comfortable attacking people on the Internet with vile names but are too big of a sissy to gently confront someone in real life where it might actually do some good even if there’s a risk of offending them?

Or are you just a poser windbag blowhard Internet tough guy who doesn’t believe in his cause enough to actually take risks for it?
Considering black guys get shot by the police for entering their own apartment or reaching for their own wallet...I think he gets a pass.
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Thanks for your polite response. Two questions. First, do you feel that the teller of the joke and/or the people who laughed at the joke thought it was wise of the white man to hide the rings value to prevent it from being stolen, or thought it was funny because it illustrated the negative stereotypes that blacks had to deal with (ie the butt of the joke was the racist white guy). 2) if one of the white people had spoken up and said, "come on guys, racism is a serious issue that blacks have to deal with on a daily basis and not something to make joke about". Would you consider that that person might be an ally in the fight against racism, or is the fact that they are white, and so don't have complete insight in to what it means to be a black, mean that they are by necessity an evil oppressor.
Well, your questions get into intention versus impact. I will answer your questions, but I know this well-worn path well. For white folks, racism is coupled with the idea that the racist person is intentional and is deliberately inflicting harm by his or her actions. So, for example, a white person would consider running over a black man with a pickup truck and referring to his dead body as "some nigger" on social media, as racism. But would not consider the firing of the meteorologist who accidentally referred to Martin Luther King as Martin Luther Coon King as racism. The societal structures of white supremacy force people of color to always gauge whether a white person is being intentional or unintentional in their racism. The idea is that people of color are not allowed to be upset about unintentional acts of racism, we can be upset (anger and outrage are not allowed) when it is an intentional act of racism. Even I fell into the trap and thought "we're probably the only people of color this dude has ever broken bread with and he don't know how to act". But the problem is that this diminishes the impact of intentional and unintentional racism on people of color. People of color report higher levels of chronic stress which increases the risk of depression, diabetes, heart disease, and infant mortality. These actions lead to conditions that bring us all down with increased healthcare costs and decreased GDP output. Solving “the problem of the color line" benefits us all.

With that aside, let me answer your questions:

1. I think the people there thought it was wise for the guy to hide the value of the ring.
2. Yes, but this only happened once in my life. I'd be shocked if it ever happened again. I think those moments are once in a lifetime events (but could be wrong). Would be an interesting polling question for other people of color.

Regarding your other comment about white folks and being an oppressor. White folks are not the oppressor but they do insist on being the antagonist. Does that make sense?

Let me give you an example. If you ask what white folk want, they will say something like building a wall, cutting welfare, removing affirmative action, getting rid of abortion, freedom (which is white folk speak for "unfettered access to ammunition and firearms"), limited regulation (which is white speak for "don't spend my tax money on people of color"), etc. From my vantage point, the common theme that underlies white folk's happiness is hinged on inflicting humiliation and misery on people of color. That's the platform that over 50% of them support. In contrast, if you ask people of color what they want, they will tell you "Justice, Jobs, and Peace". No person of color campaigns on the platform of wanting to humiliate or cause misery to white folks. This paints an uncomfortable picture where white folks appear to not be concerned about a predictable set of issues but concerned about issues that effect other ethnic groups. It's antagonism for the sake of antagonism. For example, I don't believe white folks are opposed to universal healthcare because it's a bad idea. I think white folks are opposed to healthcare because they'd rather die a thousand deaths than to have any of their tax dollars be used to provide healthcare for one person of color.
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:04 PM
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Let me give you an example. If you ask what white folk want, they will say something like building a wall, cutting welfare, removing affirmative action, getting rid of abortion, freedom (which is white folk speak for "unfettered access to ammunition and firearms"), limited regulation (which is white speak for "don't spend my tax money on people of color"), etc.
You assume all white people want those things, which is absolute fucking bullshit.
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You assume all white people want those things, which is absolute fucking bullshit.
Yeah, it's only about half of white folks.
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I guess its a question of tactics.

I can understand the necessary outrage, that makes a black person attend a protest shouting "Fuck White people! Fuck the Police!"

But if a white person is standing next to them shouting "Fuck Racism! Black lives matter!" its not particularly helpful for that black person to turn to them and shout "No! Fuck you! You racist Motherfucker!"
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For example, I don't believe white folks are opposed to universal healthcare because it's a bad idea. I think white folks are opposed to healthcare because they'd rather die a thousand deaths than to have any of their tax dollars be used to provide healthcare for one person of color.
You really are dumb as a fucking brick, aren’t you?
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Black man: <glances down> Hey! Nice ring! Where did you get it from?
White man: Oh this? It's a fake.

The punchline of his joke/story was that he deliberately lied to the black guy because he was afraid the black man could rob him of his wedding band after his shift.
Lol, no way that happened. No man is going compliment another on his frigging wedding band let alone ask where the other guy bought it.
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Old 01-14-2019, 10:54 AM
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I guess its a question of tactics.

I can understand the necessary outrage, that makes a black person attend a protest shouting "Fuck White people! Fuck the Police!"

But if a white person is standing next to them shouting "Fuck Racism! Black lives matter!" its not particularly helpful for that black person to turn to them and shout "No! Fuck you! You racist Motherfucker!"
That made me laugh, not only was it just most brilliant, but a succint way of how to sum it all up. Well done.

It would have been nice just to end the thread there, but since it didn't, and I've read through the rest of this crazy thing, as well as reading critical reviews of this woman's book that inspired Huey, this Robin DiAngelo, I've learned a bit more about her and her book which has gave us some of these new accusatory and inflamatory words and phrases to use on white people that are generally seen as liberal or progressive, such as "white fragility" and white supremist" which the latter had only been used on actual white supremists in the past like David Duke types and his followers, but she pretty much extends it to all white people, and will flat out tell you all white people are racist. She must have invented a new definition for it because the standard definition of white supremists doesn't fit the vast majority of white people at all.

Which brings us back to what you just said. I'm sure Robin DiAngelo would have used those same labels on Heather Heyer, even though she died standing alongside black and white protesting white nationalists.

Robin DiAngelo wants to judge us by our white skin. I'm convinced had Martin Luther King jr been alive today, he would not have agreed with her.
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Well, your questions get into intention versus impact. I will answer your questions, but I know this well-worn path well. For white folks, racism is coupled with the idea that the racist person is intentional and is deliberately inflicting harm by his or her actions. So, for example, a white person would consider running over a black man with a pickup truck and referring to his dead body as "some nigger" on social media, as racism. But would not consider the firing of the meteorologist who accidentally referred to Martin Luther King as Martin Luther Coon King as racism. The societal structures of white supremacy force people of color to always gauge whether a white person is being intentional or unintentional in their racism. The idea is that people of color are not allowed to be upset about unintentional acts of racism, we can be upset (anger and outrage are not allowed) when it is an intentional act of racism. Even I fell into the trap and thought "we're probably the only people of color this dude has ever broken bread with and he don't know how to act". But the problem is that this diminishes the impact of intentional and unintentional racism on people of color. People of color report higher levels of chronic stress which increases the risk of depression, diabetes, heart disease, and infant mortality. These actions lead to conditions that bring us all down with increased healthcare costs and decreased GDP output. Solving “the problem of the color line" benefits us all.

With that aside, let me answer your questions:

1. I think the people there thought it was wise for the guy to hide the value of the ring.
2. Yes, but this only happened once in my life. I'd be shocked if it ever happened again. I think those moments are once in a lifetime events (but could be wrong). Would be an interesting polling question for other people of color.

Regarding your other comment about white folks and being an oppressor. White folks are not the oppressor but they do insist on being the antagonist. Does that make sense?

Let me give you an example. If you ask what white folk want, they will say something like building a wall, cutting welfare, removing affirmative action, getting rid of abortion, freedom (which is white folk speak for "unfettered access to ammunition and firearms"), limited regulation (which is white speak for "don't spend my tax money on people of color"), etc. From my vantage point, the common theme that underlies white folk's happiness is hinged on inflicting humiliation and misery on people of color. That's the platform that over 50% of them support. In contrast, if you ask people of color what they want, they will tell you "Justice, Jobs, and Peace". No person of color campaigns on the platform of wanting to humiliate or cause misery to white folks. This paints an uncomfortable picture where white folks appear to not be concerned about a predictable set of issues but concerned about issues that effect other ethnic groups. It's antagonism for the sake of antagonism. For example, I don't believe white folks are opposed to universal healthcare because it's a bad idea. I think white folks are opposed to healthcare because they'd rather die a thousand deaths than to have any of their tax dollars be used to provide healthcare for one person of color.
White folks are evil, if they weren’t we would all be like Scandinavia.

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Old 01-18-2019, 10:57 AM
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Dance coach tells black student that her skin color clashes with the uniforms. Also, she doesn't get picked for the best performances. Also, the coach had text messages that said "I hate that she's black".

That sucks. What's far, far worse is that the rest of the team, and parents, stood by the coach, even when the racism was undeniable.

Just imagine how often this happens, and has happened, and it's not reported, or it's reported and ignored, etc.
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This is whiteness. I have no words. If you doubt the monstrous nature of white folks, watch that video in full. There is no humanity there, just a soulless husk in human form.

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This is whiteness. I have no words. If you doubt the monstrous nature of white folks, watch that video in full. There is no humanity there, just a soulless husk in human form.
Standing around a Native American (Vietnam veteran) chanting "Build that wall." Their school is really doing a good job of teaching. But then, I guess the school sending all of these upstanding young men to participate in an anti-abortion march shows where their priorities lie.
The school has shut down their Twitter account and their phone number.
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Black gay actor assaulted in possible hate crime. I guess money doesn't necessarily protect you if you don't use it to have bodyguards around.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/29/68975...ble-hate-crime

To be fair, the assailants haven't been apprehended yet so their motivation is not definitely known. However, at some point they wrapped a rope around his neck (as he reports).
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Black gay actor assaulted in possible hate crime. I guess money doesn't necessarily protect you if you don't use it to have bodyguards around.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/29/68975...ble-hate-crime

To be fair, the assailants haven't been apprehended yet so their motivation is not definitely known. However, at some point they wrapped a rope around his neck (as he reports).
Hate to say it, but this looks like a Tawana Brawley.
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Hate to say it, but this looks like a Tawana Brawley.
Based on what?
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Lol who said anything about a noose fuck off.
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Hey it's ok pull the anal beads out of your ass there buddy.
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Lol who said anything about a noose fuck off.
Is that a whoosh? The victim said that the assailants put a rope around his neck and threw bleach at him. He still had the rope around his neck when the police arrived at his apartment.

So who walks around Chicago at 1:00AM with a pice of rope and bleach looking for someone to attack? My bet is there was some kind of scuffle about something embarrassing, and then the cover story got out of hand.

I hope I'm wrong.
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Is that a whoosh? The victim said that the assailants put a rope around his neck and threw bleach at him. He still had the rope around his neck when the police arrived at his apartment.

So who walks around Chicago at 1:00AM with a pice of rope and bleach looking for someone to attack? My bet is there was some kind of scuffle about something embarrassing, and then the cover story got out of hand.

I hope I'm wrong.
Exactly that was my point, noose, length of rope whatever, seems like an odd thing to be carrying around on your person.
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Exactly that was my point, noose, length of rope whatever, seems like an odd thing to be carrying around on your person.
You seem to have made up your mind. Batano has left a sliver of daylight to escape through. Neither of you has any evidence for your assertions except "seems odd." On the basis of that (i.e. completely nothing at all), you seem to think that this actor doused himself with bleach and wrapped a rope around his own neck. That doesn't seem odd to you at all.

You're just reinforcing the point of this thread.

Or you could wait for the results of the investigation. Plenty of time then, if you're right, to jump up and down with glee.
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Less personal than most examples here, but talking about a persistent issue in criminal justice: stenographers who struggle to understand AAVE or even just accents comment in black communities.

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The Black English gap, as one might call it, matters: It can affect people’s lives at crucial junctures. In 2007, a Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals dissent claimed that when a black woman said, in terror, “He finna shoot me,” she may have been referring to something in the past, when in fact “finna” refers to the immediate future. “Why don’t you just give me a lawyer, dog?” Warren Demesme asked the police when accused of sexual assault in 2017. The statements one makes to law enforcement after requesting a lawyer are inadmissible—but Demesme’s rights were ignored because, it was argued, he’d requested a “lawyer dog,” not an actual attorney.
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Less personal than most examples here, but talking about a persistent issue in criminal justice: stenographers who struggle to understand AAVE or even just accents comment in black communities.
What makes you think it's limited to black communities? I defy you to transcribe Weegie or Doric.

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Lol who carries a noose around for just such occasions?
Racist assholes do.

Acid and bleach attacks are certainly a thing - they're rare, but they're not imaginary. Carrying a noose when one is looking for someone to use it on is hardly an implausible scenario.

Whether what happened to Smollett was real or faked (and I've not seen any reason to assume fakery thus far) is a separate issue to whether some people will attack random strangers for reasons of racism or homophobia. They will, and they sometimes do.
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Hey it's ok pull the anal beads out of your ass there buddy.
Sick burn bruh. I mean, it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense, but sick burns don't have to. I got told, and am abashed. Abashed!

So now that I've been mocked and ridiculed within an inch of my pathetic life, you can go back to mocking and ridiculing the more important targets: gay Black guys!
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What makes you think it's limited to black communities? I defy you to transcribe Weegie or Doric.



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Interesting. So the existence of strong regional Scottish dialects means we shouldn’t bother to have the American legal system understand black folks? I admit that I’m not seeing the causal link.
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I wasn't claiming the story was fake I've only glossed over the vague details in the story, I'm sure he was attacked, I was more thinking out loud about whether it was premeditated or not. Did they have any relation to the guy, did they just happen to see him, or did they set out to attack a black guy and left the house with rope and acid and he was the unlucky first guy they came across. Any other reading of what I said is just your own biases coming through.
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I wasn't claiming the story was fake I've only glossed over the vague details in the story, I'm sure he was attacked, I was more thinking out loud about whether it was premeditated or not. Did they have any relation to the guy, did they just happen to see him, or did they set out to attack a black guy and left the house with rope and acid and he was the unlucky first guy they came across. Any other reading of what I said is just your own biases coming through.
I apologize; I had inadvertently conflated Batano's "Tawana Brawley" comment with your comment.
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And there are so many of those folks in US courts, it's a real problem!

In fact, most immigrants whose English is not good (or is non-existent) can get translation help in court and with the police. People who are "supposed" to speak "regular" English don't, and also (as in the second case cited in the original quote) can be willfully misunderstood.

You've taken a lot of trouble to make a bogus point.
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I wasn't claiming the story was fake I've only glossed over the vague details in the story, I'm sure he was attacked, I was more thinking out loud about whether it was premeditated or not. Did they have any relation to the guy, did they just happen to see him, or did they set out to attack a black guy and left the house with rope and acid and he was the unlucky first guy they came across. Any other reading of what I said is just your own biases coming through.
No comment needed.
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Or you could wait for the results of the investigation. Plenty of time then, if you're right, to jump up and down with glee.
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A news story is reported by a reputable news organization about an alleged attack that is being investigated by the authorities, meaning that it passed a first-level scrutiny by experienced investigators. An attack of a kind that is far from unknown against black people in this country. I report this here as symptomatic of living while black in America. You assume the attack was faked, and therefore irrelevant to the lives of black people in America, without any evidence at all.

Can you see the difference?
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Again, some in the media were noting Trump's silence on this actor. Then April Ryan asked him yesterday and he replied, "That I can tell you is horrible. It doesn't get worse."

Why? Why prod politicians for a response when we don't know if there were any harmed victim in this or not? It's understandable that some of the rhetoric of Trump and his ilk is seen as irresponsible and incendiary. Whatever recourse is out there, this is letting the tail wag the dog. You don't discover parts of narratives by shaping sequences of events into them hours after they happen. For those politicians who did volunteer their lamentation over it, this is the 24/7 news. Waiting won't make it more of an emergency.
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But Trump is correct - it is horrible. If it happened the way the actor said it did, it's horrible, if it is a hoax, it's horrible, if the actor just forgot his safe word, it's horrible.

What might make it a little less horrible is catching and punishing whoever is responsible.

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A black woman was pulled over in Detroit for driving with expired tags, and her car was towed. Now, the cops did offer to drive her home, but she declined, since she was only a block from her house. As she walked home in the freezing temperatures, the cops followed behind her, recording her walk, and posted it online with the mocking captions, “walk of shame”, “bye felicia", “What black girl magic looks like,” and “celebrating Black History Month.”
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A black woman was pulled over in Detroit for driving with expired tags, and her car was towed. Now, the cops did offer to drive her home, but she declined, since she was only a block from her house. As she walked home in the freezing temperatures, the cops followed behind her, recording her walk, and posted it online with the mocking captions, “walk of shame”, “bye felicia", “What black girl magic looks like,” and “celebrating Black History Month.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-...-walking-home?
I really don't understand how the cops think this is a great idea. And even if they don't realize how bad it is, why would they post it on social media? Do they really think they aren't going to get caught? I just don't understand. It has to be some sort of brain damage.
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I really don't understand how the cops think this is a great idea. And even if they don't realize how bad it is, why would they post it on social media? Do they really think they aren't going to get caught? I just don't understand. It has to be some sort of brain damage.
Racism is a form of brain damage.

But, people go with what they know. They laughed, their partner laughed, when they got back to the station, their colleagues laughed.

When all your peers are laughing, it is hard to realize that your peers do not make up the entirety of the world. It is easy to take a position that only a triggered libtard snowflake would take offense to these actions, and, along with wanting to make like minded people laugh, they wanted to make their political enemies cry.

They forgot that the vast majority of people are mostly decent, and, while they may not seek out racism to root out, if it is shoved in their face like this, they will react, and usually not in the racists favor.
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Less personal than most examples here, but talking about a persistent issue in criminal justice: stenographers who struggle to understand AAVE or even just accents comment in black communities.
Even I know what finna means. It’s a shortening of fixing to.

That said, I’m not sure it’s the court’s problem that bad English is spoken.
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Even I know what finna means. It’s a shortening of fixing to.

That said, I’m not sure it’s the court’s problem that bad English is spoken.
You think that people should be denied their rights because of a misunderstanding?
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I really don't understand how the cops think this is a great idea. And even if they don't realize how bad it is, why would they post it on social media? Do they really think they aren't going to get caught? I just don't understand. It has to be some sort of brain damage.
Yeah, what they did just seems utterly insane to me. Don't make no sense!
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You think that people should be denied their rights because of a misunderstanding?
Lawyer, dog or lawyer dog? That’s why I’m generous with my commas.

Concerning rights? No, I don’t think rights should be denied. I actually think wanting a lawyer should be an explicit and informed opt out not an opt in. I don’t trust the Man.
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Portland police sergeants tells roll call to just shoot homeless people if they're black.
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AL Sharpton picked another winner with Smollet: https://abc7chicago.com/sources-smol...mpire/5138497/
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What are you babbling about?
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What are you babbling about?
Sharpton, who notoriously pushed the Tawana Brawley story including accusing an innocent man of rape:
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More recently he jumped into the Jussie Smollet case which looks like it was not as reported by the victim.

I never understood why Al Sharpton was allowed back on the public stage after that and even is a contributor and occasional host on MSNBC.

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More recently he jumped into the Jussie Smollet case which looks like it was not as reported by the victim.
Maybe you wanna wait until the investigation turns something up before assuming guilt? I mean, seriously, hypocrite much?
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An extended mention of Sharpton is a distraction, really. The focus should be on what the Chicago PD find and more than likely whether criminal charges are recommended against Smollett and his associates. Most people are wise to what Sharpton is after. It's possible the Rick Kitchen's and andros's of the world who share baking recipes in my threads think he is trying to help, but most people know.
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I never understood why Al Sharpton was allowed back on the public stage after that and even is a contributor and occasional host on MSNBC.
Presumably MSNBC feel there's an audience for him. It ain't me, but I assume someone likes him, much in the same way that Oliver North got a FoxNews show.
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It's possible the Rick Kitchen's and andros's of the world who share baking recipes in my threads think he is trying to help, but most people know.
It's also possible that I never said a thing about Sharpton. Oh look, I didn't!

(Here's a helpful hint, though: When decrying someone you don't like (Sharpton) for assuming someone's innocence for their own gain, it can quite easily look like racist hypocrisy to assume that same person's guilt.)
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