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Old 10-17-2019, 11:04 PM
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Rukmini Callimachi, New York Times:
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To grasp the extent of the crimes the Arab militias fighting for Turkey are carrying out in Syria, read the autopsy of the Kurdish politician executed a few days ago. Her legs & jaw were broken, she was dragged by her hair until the skin of her scalp came out & repeatedly shot:
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Old 10-18-2019, 03:59 AM
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CNN: Kurds say Turkey is violating hours-old 'ceasefire' in northern Syria
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Clashes continued on the border between Turkey and Syria on Friday, according to eyewitnesses and Kurdish fighters, despite US Vice President Mike Pence's announcement that he and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had brokered a five-day ceasefire there.

Shelling and artillery fire was reported Friday in the border town of Ras al-Ain, one of the targets of Turkey's week-old offensive against Kurdish fighters, who have long been backed by the United States.

The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) told CNN that shelling by the Turkish military and the Syrian rebel proxies supporting them has hit a number of civilian areas in Ras al-Ain, including a hospital. The SDF says five fighters were killed in the attack.
The Guardian: UN investigates alleged use of white phosphorus in Syria
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UN chemical weapons inspectors have announced they are gathering information following accusations that burning white phosphorus was used by Turkish forces against children in Syria earlier this week.
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The Kurdish Red Crescent said in a statement that six patients, both civilian and military, were in hospital in Hasakah with burns from “unknown weapons” and it was working to evaluate what had been used.
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A British chemical weapons expert sent photographs from a former colleague of a child with a badly burned torso in a frontline hospital said he thought it was likely they showed chemical burns.

Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former commander of the UK’s chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear regiment, said: “The most likely culprit is white phosphorus. It is a horrific weapon, and has been used repeatedly during the Syrian civil war; unfortunately its use has become increasingly normalised.”
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Erdogan, who reportedly threw Trump's letter in the bin, makes clear his displeasure:
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Letter to him from @POTUS "was not in line with diplomatic and political courtesy. We will not forget this lack of respect. This is not a priority for us. But when the time comes we would like it to be known that we will take the necessary steps," says @RTErdogan.
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Old 10-18-2019, 09:55 AM
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The ex-Turkish ambassador to the United States is openly mocking Trump on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/NamikTan/status/...458714625?s=19

The Turks are using these 120 hours to re-arm and resupply. Come Monday, the true genocide will begin.
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I do hope Trump is seeing all this in his daily twitter feed.
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I do hope Trump is seeing all this in his daily twitter feed.
Maybe John Oliver needs to get the Catheter Cowboy to do another spot on Fox so Trump can learn some things about what his actions have caused.
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Holy hell, we're now at the point where diplomatic niceties, however forced and false, don't matter anymore.
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Trump, in defending Turkey's actions against the Kurds, uses the phrase "ultimate solution".

"Just spoke to President @RTErdogan of Turkey. He told me there was minor sniper and mortar fire that was quickly eliminated. He very much wants the ceasefire, or pause, to work. Likewise, the Kurds want it, and the ultimate solution, to happen. Too bad there wasn’t....."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...972539392?s=19

Nothing to see here, guys!
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Trump, in defending Turkey's actions against the Kurds, uses the phrase "ultimate solution".

"Just spoke to President @RTErdogan of Turkey. He told me there was minor sniper and mortar fire that was quickly eliminated. He very much wants the ceasefire, or pause, to work. Likewise, the Kurds want it, and the ultimate solution, to happen. Too bad there wasn’t....."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...972539392?s=19

Nothing to see here, guys!
Yesterday, Trump spoke of the Kurds living along the border, saying that Turkey "had to have it cleaned out."
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Trump, in defending Turkey's actions against the Kurds, uses the phrase "ultimate solution".

"Just spoke to President @RTErdogan of Turkey. He told me there was minor sniper and mortar fire that was quickly eliminated. He very much wants the ceasefire, or pause, to work. Likewise, the Kurds want it, and the ultimate solution, to happen. Too bad there wasn’t....."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...972539392?s=19

Nothing to see here, guys!
The fat orange idiot's entire vocabulary is made of superlatives and catch phrases he's heard somewhere. There are only so many word and phrase combinations he can compose given those limits. But there are 280 characters to fill, so he must use every resource at his disposal.
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Trump, in defending Turkey's actions against the Kurds, uses the phrase "ultimate solution".

"Just spoke to President @RTErdogan of Turkey. He told me there was minor sniper and mortar fire that was quickly eliminated. He very much wants the ceasefire, or pause, to work. Likewise, the Kurds want it, and the ultimate solution, to happen. Too bad there wasn’t....."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...972539392?s=19

Nothing to see here, guys!
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Yesterday, Trump spoke of the Kurds living along the border, saying that Turkey "had to have it cleaned out."
It's like he was given a Genocide Thesaurus.
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It's like he was given a Genocide Thesaurus.
Stephen Miller keeps stealing it to jack off to it.
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Dustin Volz, Wall Street Journal:
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"We are sheep to the slaughter."

Thousands of Kurdish families dash from Turkish-backed forces spilling into Syria. Once U.S. allies, they are now abandoned.
And winter's coming.
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Daily Mail: 'Dad stop the burning, I beg you': Horrifying footage reveals badly-burned Kurdish children in Syria amid claims Turkey is using banned weapons such as napalm and white phosphorus
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With NATO allies like Turkey...
Does NATO need to come to Turkey's aid if it claims the "Syrians' are attacking it?

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Does NATO need to come to Turkey's aid if it claims the "Syrians' are attacking it?
It looks to me as if the text of the treaty doesn't oblige NATO to respond unless Turkey is attacked on its own turf. And politically, I'm not sure the rest of NATO would do anything even if Syria did launch a counter-invasion. They could just say, "You started this without consulting us. NATO doesn't exist as cover to hide behind if you're going to go around starting fights you can't finish."
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The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .
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For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey
or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.
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In addition to what Gorsnak mentioned, Article 5 requires that NATO allies "assist the Party ... by taking forthwith ... such action as it deems necessary...". NATO allies are free to decide that their assistance should take non-military forms. "we'll send an official tweet, asking the Syrians to stop invading" or something like that.
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A buffer zone is acceptable to the Kurds but a military occupation that displaces hundreds of thousands is not a safe zone. It is ethnic cleansing.
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Trump said this? He actually thinks it's appropriate? Congress needs to arrange a middle East trip for Trump. Let him see first hand the body bags and bloated corpses that he's directly responsible for facilitating. Woman, children multilated & some dying. Trump thinks of it as a schoolyard fight? Is he completely insane?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/polit...ght/index.html
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"Sometimes you have to let them fight. It's like two kids in a lot, you got to let them fight and then you pull them apart."

Trump was praising the deal reached earlier in the day between Vice President Mike Pence and Erdogan during negotiations in the Turkish capital of Ankara. The deal appears to secure for Turkey most of its military objectives, forcing America's onetime allies in the fight against ISIS -- Kurdish forces -- to cede a vast swath of territory
Trump and members of Congress need to see this first hand or at least see professional video of what's happening. See the aid camps and hospital wards.

The US did this and we all have to own it.

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On a behind, another body lay zipped into a large blue bag – a young woman this time, also dressed in green and wearing the patches of Kurdish forces. The medical worker straightened her head and gently swept the dead woman’s hair from her face. “We have five martyrs now,” she said, pointing across the makeshift morgue. “Three military and two civilians. The fighters were trying to rescue the others.”

The war between Kurdish forces and Turkey was well into its third day, the bloodiest yet, and ambulances, both real and makeshift, were arriving regularly. As they pulled up, locals and medics gathered around ready to tend to each new body and tell the story of how they had died. “He was a civilian,” one man said as he uncovered a young boy’s face. “Most of them are,” claimed another. “This is a war against the Kurdish people

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The Guardian's coverage of the Turkish invasion is the best that I've found.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...g-trump-deaths

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