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Old 04-02-2012, 09:35 AM
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And don't get me started about how stupid was to have Italy to switch sides 4 times during the conflict!
They tried to attract those millions of soccer fans who are convinced that Italians are a bunch of cheats.
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:11 AM
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Yeah, they dragged them into the Pacific story too. It's not enough that we've seen them in France, in Norway, at Dunkirk, in the Battle of Britain, the Battle of the Atlantic, the Blitz, their own night bombing campaign (and a right old tear-jerker that was - seems like every single mission they were coming back with one plane in ten shot down, and that was the routine ones), Greece, Crete and North Africa - now we've got to see them all over again in Singapore, Burma, and a bunch of other places, not forgetting the Japanese prison camps like Changi and the slave labour on the railway. Someone clearly liked writing for stiff-upper-lip types with this weird master/servant dynamic between the officers and other ranks. Fairly solid rumour has it they nearly got written into the Winter War too. I mean...
I suspect that Burma subplot was some sort of veiled political commentary. I mean that Aung San character, the Japanese quisling who switches sides right before the end of the war? That name doesn't sound familiar?
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:14 AM
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James Stewart is a colonel in the series; general in later sequels although he didn't get much screen time in these.
I'm also reminded of the stunt casting of Ted Williams as a fighter pilot. It seems like a cynical ploy to bring in Red Sox fans. Evidently, though, it worked, since they did the exact same thing in the Korea sequel and even paired him with the eventual star of The Space Program.

There were also some annoying pandering in the "Home Front" sequences. A one-armed baseball player? That breaks any suspension of disbelief.
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:43 AM
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A one-armed baseball player? That breaks any suspension of disbelief.
Not entirely unbelievable. In real life there's Jim Abbott. Not only did he only have one hand, BUT he came to the major leagues never having pitched in the minors AND he threw a no-hitter.

The one-arm baseball player character isn't nearly as improbable as the baseball player-spy character. Or, for that matter, the actress and composer who turn out to be inventors or the eccentric millionaire who builds the world's larget airplane out of plywood.

One sports-related flaw I didn't like, though. Remember how they decided to premier the Day of Infamy story right in the middle of a football game? Football wasn't nearly as big a sport back then as baseball. I would have launched it a few weeks earlier, and used the World Series as the platform. That would also have made the Bob Feller cameo more meaningful.
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Old 04-02-2012, 04:46 PM
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Or how about how they tried to press the reset button on the whole French colonies thing? That played so poorly with test audiences in Asia that they had to launch several more spinoff series just to write their way out!
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For your first point, though, one of the most pathetic examples was Chiang Kai-shek, whom they wrote out of the main series but gave him his own show as sort of a consolation prize, titled Ihla Formosa (My Beautiful Island) . Sad, as he kept on plotting his comeback and never got it through his head he was no longer a big star. The latter show never amounted to much during his run, but there was a revival of interest and some fresh storylines once Chiang's character was finally killed off.
Just to nominate this as a major contender for Dopername/content juxtapositrion of the decade!
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Old 04-03-2012, 02:54 AM
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Old 04-03-2012, 10:21 AM
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On the other hand, look at the stuff they considered putting into the series but cut or de-empahsized as being too preposterous. If they had included giant aircraft carriers built of ice and sawdust battling it out in the arctic with cruise missiles and jet aircraft while Hitler thrust the Spear of Destiny at the sky, it would have been just too over the top.

Overall it was a pretty good show, really
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They slipped the odd one in, though. This giant rocket-propelled wheel-bomb made a brief appearance in an episode or two, but it really belonged in a TV comedy.
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:03 AM
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What if the story of WWII had been placed in the hands of a competent writer?
....What would it look like?

[B]Ernest Hemingway

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With apologies to Fingolfin.
Competent writer, my ass. They let him help write the Italian part of World War One, and look at what a plotless, depressing, pointless snafu that became. I will never figure out how they managed to convince the producers to greenlight a sequel!
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:37 AM
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I see WWII as more of an epic bloody Marx Brothers film, with the Keystone Cops thrown in.
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:46 AM
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Competent writer, my ass. They let him help write the Italian part of World War One, and look at what a plotless, depressing, pointless snafu that became. I will never figure out how they managed to convince the producers to greenlight a sequel!
I think I just realized why there is such a wide spectrum in the quality of the various plots, stories, and writing styles. There were a huge number of writers! (I should have known). They must have employed a large number of authors and let them each have a small part to write. They got a large amount of material, and then could pick and choose the parts they wanted.

It's obvious in hindsight. Some stories are comedies (see the previously mentioned Polish bear); some are dramas, some suspense, some action, etc. There are hundreds of characters, settings, and plots; most of which don't connect. They simply say it's a "global" (more so than WWI) conflict to explain it away.

Brilliant!
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Well, I liked the series, all in all. It was actually pretty compelling at times. But there really are just waaaay too many cliches, coincidences and hackneyed bits.

So America goes from the Maine to the Lusitania to the Arizona? Enough with the dramatic ship losses pissing the public off enough to bring the U.S. into a war, OK?

So the Hitler dude has one of the best paratrooper forces in the world and he blows it all in capturing a single island? Please.

The Japanese and Germans were just too unbelievably evil. Beheading prisoners, working them to death, and encouraging civilians on Pacific islands to jump to their own deaths rather than be captured? Or building concentration camps and killing Jews on an industrial scale even though it hurt your war effort? Please. And why wouldn't the Allies have bombed the rail lines leading to the concentration camps? C'mon, it'd be win-win!

Then the top German scientists go off to work for the Americans at the end. The top rocket guy, who probably knew about Nazi slave labor, even builds the spacecraft for the handsome PT-boat naval hero's Moon program 20 years later! Yeah, sure.

And that wheelchair President guy is elected FOUR times?!?!?!? Yeah, like that's gonna happen.

Germany and Japan go from planned-economy military dictatorships who are the Americans' mortal enemies, to healthy market-economy democracies and trusted allies in, what, less than a decade? Yeesh. Some disbelief just can't be suspended, guys.

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And, of course, the leader of the blond Aryan race had dark hair. Why would anyone follow him if he didn't match the image?
Heh. One of my buddies joked, "For all that Nazi genetics crap, it seems to me most of the German actors are as blond as Hitler, as tall as Goebbels, and as thin as Goering!"

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Did they actually think people would buy boarding parties in the 20th Century? The very idea that a modern naval commander would order "Away all boarders!" is insane. USS Pillsbury? Nice product placement, guys. Real subtle.
And then to have the leader of the Pillsbury boarding party die of a heart attack before he could get his Medal of Honor? And for the captured sub to end up in CHICAGO, of all places? Sheesh. Gimme a break.

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...Anyway, I remember reading some spin-off novels back in the seventies (the titles escape me). One was about an invisible American destroyer and the other about Germans going to the moon. Sci-fi, obviously, and very cheesey. Were these ever canon?....
Oh, man, there's been a lot of fanfic about this, if you look hard enough at garage sales and used-book stores. Writers seem especially drawn to the bad guys, for some reason, but none of it's canon, of course. Still, some of my favorites:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatherland_(novel)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-GB
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_the_needle
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I thought it was pretty tiresome during the London Blitz episode that the Germans miraculously never hit St. Paul's Cathedral, a big effing target in the middle of London and apparently a symbol of eventual victory for the Brits, despite dozens of opportunities. Surely they'd be able to zero in eventually?

Such a trope.
I know! And to have the King and the Queen refuse to leave the bombing zone? C'mon, man, you gotta protect your head of state! No way would the Brits let them stay in danger like that, esp. with two cute little princesses in the picture.

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Old 04-09-2012, 07:40 PM
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Ok now I found evidence that George Lucas can time travel.

Remember how he put Boba Fett in Episode IV when he was not originally there?

I watched the fine BBC documentary on the making of WWI and darn it if they did not add the best villains of WWII in the prequel.

In the episode dealing with the battle of Verdun the Germans began to use tactics that finally worked against the trenches, special advance troops were trained to use new portable mortars, flame throwers, to zig zag among the trenches and not just go over the top and walk in line, the name the Germans gave to those specially trained soldiers that almost took Verdun like in a blitz?

Stormtroopers ..

Really George, who are you kidding?

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Old 04-09-2012, 07:56 PM
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And just like Woody Allen in Zellig, they inserted the actor who played Hitler into some of the old WWI trench scenes, and in the sequel Street Fighters of Weimar.
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And France? Everyone knows France is a pushover, but expecting us to believe that Germany just took them out of the game that quickly? I can see they tried to repair the plot hole by including the French "Resistance," but you can't have it both ways, writers!
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SUPER MAJOR PLOT HOLE

A nation, which disenfranchises a sizable portion of its own population by token of the fact that they are of a certain race, which isolates citizens in camps based solely upon the fact that they are of a certain ancestry and which generally treats its non-White citizens very shabbily, manages to frame the conflict as one of "good vs. evil."

Note: This nation is supposed to be the "good guy."

SUPER MAJOR PLOT HOLE

A nation which has a larger army, air force and a navy which isn't restricted by geography and that gets a SIX MONTH head start to prevent its own invasion, drops the ball and surrenders after six weeks of fighting. Worse, it does so with 500k worth of soldiers still in the southern part of its country and 600 aircraft which are completely undamaged. Worse yet, it makes it NO EFFORT to evacuate these soldiers and those airplanes to its nearby Northern African colonies to continue the war from there even it has means to do so.

Completely unbelievable: The majority of its naval fleet is never captured by the enemy and could have been to blockade, harass and otherwise take the fight to the nation which conquered their homeland…and yet does not even attempt this. This nation then has the temerity to complain when that naval fleet is severely damaged by an ally who grows tired of waiting for it to "sack up" and start fighting the war.

SUPER MAJOR PLOT HOLE

An island nation, which has few natural resources and which starts a war against a large nation never creates a viable anti-submarine warfare program even after it's made abundantly clear that its enemy is going to starve it out using unrestricted submarine warfare.

Bonus points:This same nation squanders its naval advantage on a useless series of engagements which it has no possible hope of winning.

Minor Plot Hole

Despite receiving significant military and economic aid which helps him win his own country's civil war prior to WWII, a national leader later stymies those same nations which helped achieve that victory. So much so in fact that those allies are forced to fight conflicts on their southern flanks which sap resources which could have been used elsewhere.

Bonus points: Although this same leader espouses many of the same political,social and racial views as the enemy nations which are defeated goes on to reign over his country ruthlessly for 30 years after the end of the war. And is later declared to be an ally by nations which despised and fought so determinedly against nations which held his views.

If you wrote this and tried to sell it, no one would believe it.
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Old 02-10-2014, 01:56 PM
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I just want to know how that loathsome sequel The Korean War lasted three seasons.

And don't even get me started on TKW's "Gritty Reboot" The Vietnam War. That was even more unbelievable! The sheeple who watched that show for so long should be ashamed.
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Old 02-10-2014, 02:09 PM
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And don't even get me started on TKW's "Gritty Reboot" The Vietnam War. That was even more unbelievable! The sheeple who watched that show for so long should be ashamed.
And what kind of ending was that, anyway? Sheesh.
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And what's with that character who fought with a bow, arrows, and broadsword? Seriously? They might as well have had another using a phaser!
And that scene with the destroyer attacking a heavy cruiser? Implausible enough but then doing it again with an under-armed converted liner going up against two of them was completely over the top.
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Could someone explain the point of having Africa and the Middle East in the series at all? It seemed to me to be a way to shamelessly pander to South Asian audiences, having their ethnicity characters involved. East African campaign? Syria? At least in the original, there was actual good fighting there.

And they did creat the storyboard for WW3 and even made a few test shots. Starring Jon Voight. It was called "The Day After".
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Yep, agree on the invasion of the Soviet Union - like, what can we do to make sure we're properly surrounded ....... duh.
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Old 12-01-2014, 09:20 AM
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...Minor Plot Hole

Despite receiving significant military and economic aid which helps him win his own country's civil war prior to WWII, a national leader later stymies those same nations which helped achieve that victory. So much so in fact that those allies are forced to fight conflicts on their southern flanks which sap resources which could have been used elsewhere.

Bonus points: Although this same leader espouses many of the same political,social and racial views as the enemy nations which are defeated goes on to reign over his country ruthlessly for 30 years after the end of the war. And is later declared to be an ally by nations which despised and fought so determinedly against nations which held his views....
Was this that Franco dude? Yeah, he was annoying. I wonder if he stayed dead?
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Old 12-01-2014, 09:26 AM
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Actually, according to the Cold War miniseries and the novelisation, he remained around for another 30 years, and became allied to the US. His handpicked successor was the grandson of deposed King.........and he later turned Spain into a constitutional monarchy with democracy and everything.


You cannot get more ridiculous.
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They slipped the odd one in, though. This giant rocket-propelled wheel-bomb made a brief appearance in an episode or two, but it really belonged in a TV comedy.
This is a bit of a bump, but I've been reading some of the novelizations, and there's way more wacky hardware than I thought.

When they were planning that big amphibious invasion of Europe, they needed a way to get tanks to shore. They had one with a snorkel, but that wouldn't do for the ocean. So this guy, he's kind of a cross between Q and Heath Robinson, comes up with a tank with collapsible skirts that can float to shore.

Okay, the tank can turn into a boat. Fine. But it doesn't end there! He comes up with this whole series of 'funny' tanks. There's one with a flamethrower. There's one with a mortar. There's one with a great thumping roller out front that explodes mines before anything vulnerable can be hurt by them.

But then it starts to get silly. There's one that can lay roads. There's one that can build bridges. There's one that fills in trenches with a big bundle of sticks. There's one with a plough to dig up mines. There's one that turns itself into a bridge. There's one that presses explosives against a barrier.

I'm surprised there wasn't one that could fly. Or join up with others to make a super-tank...
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I don't know. It makes more sense if WW2 is a homage to Game of Thrones. Hitler could be the insane Cersi character. Churchill could be Jon Snow , Stalin could be Tyrion and Roosevelt could be Daenerys.
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I couldn't really get into the "Eastern Front" subplot because after a while it just got too depressing: two sides trying to see who could out-evil the other, and the absolute obliteration of anyone who could be called a "good guy".
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This is a bit of a bump, but I've been reading some of the novelizations, and there's way more wacky hardware than I thought.
Thanks -- the "Funnies" were worth the bump. But even more, I loved re-reading this thread. The OP was right, WW2 made no sense on many levels. Now can someone review "The Trump Years" and point out the plot holes (and the over-the-top characterizations)? Thanks in advance.
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Okay, the tank can turn into a boat. Fine. But it doesn't end there! He comes up with this whole series of 'funny' tanks.
I suspect it's for the toy sales.

No worse than what the Axis FX team came up with for planes. I mean, theirs were only ever pre-production sketches, but whooo-boy.
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Thanks -- the "Funnies" were worth the bump. But even more, I loved re-reading this thread. The OP was right, WW2 made no sense on many levels. Now can someone review "The Trump Years" and point out the plot holes (and the over-the-top characterizations)? Thanks in advance.
Kinda done: https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...d.php?t=830878
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After the series ended, a spin-off was considered called Operation Unthinkable. Probably a good thing it was never greenlit.
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I'm surprised there wasn't one that could fly.
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"Hey, let's take a huge, multi-ton chunk of hardened steel and make it fly!!!"

Yeah, not ever the best idea.
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Plot hole : Super weapons seen briefly never used again

The thing that gets me is that they have this completely dreaded set of superweapons in the prequel, things that cause 1.3 million causalties, stuff that everyone agrees was horrific.

And they are hardly ever seen again !. The show almost completely skips out, opting to go instead for a different WMD, when all major parties had access to those previous ones...

And don't tell me they were banned before WW2 by international treaty, they were supposedly banned even before the prequel, and they still got used.

It's like building up a superhero, making him almost ridiculously overpowered, and then along comes the next episode and no mention is made of the previous strongest powers, going in a different directon instead.

Or the time turner thing never being seen again.
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Why have the Japanese, British and American helmets all be so similar at the start of "World War II"? They needed to be more visually distinct. The audience has to know who it's looking at.
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It's like building up a superhero, making him almost ridiculously overpowered, and then along comes the next episode and no mention is made of the previous strongest powers, going in a different directon instead.
"Oh dear god, don't call Superman into this. He'll just wreck the entire damned city trying to 'save' it.'
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The worst part for me was the Maginot line. Look, we criticized the freaking Empire for building a death star that had a convenient hole in it that could be used to blow up the whole thiing, and we're supposed to believe that a great power would build an insurmountable barrier that the enemy could defeat by simply driving around it? That defies belief.
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The worst part for me was the Maginot line. Look, we criticized the freaking Empire for building a death star that had a convenient hole in it that could be used to blow up the whole thiing, and we're supposed to believe that a great power would build an insurmountable barrier that the enemy could defeat by simply driving around it? That defies belief.
Well in defense of that episode, there was a deleted scene that showed the German army going without sleep or rest for a week on amphetamine, moving faster than anyone thought was humanly possible. But the censors cut it.
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We mentioned tokenism earlier - the lady riveters, the Black airmen, and so on - but did anyone spot a really glaring example from one of the early episodes? Not long after the outbreak of war, there's this English guy demanding to be "re-enlisted" to the R.A.F. as a fighter pilot despite being, if you please, a double amputee. That's right - he's had both his legs cut off. And, of course, in due deference to the differently able community, he's got to be not just a fighter pilot but a brilliant one, an inspirational leader, and eventually to be spotted, if you're paying attention, leading the victory flypast in London after Germany's been defeated.

Technical hint, guys: fighter planes also have control pedals.
Don't forget the other example of pathos-oriented tokenism. The guy who helps break all the German codes is a closeted gay man. Goes to all the trouble of essentially inventing modern computers and then is essentially written out after the war for his sexuality.
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And of course they had to figure out how to get a beautiful starlet into the movie, but come on! We're supposed to believe that Hedy Lamarr was some kind of communications genius? You might as well cast Denise Rogers as a scientist.

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The thing that gets me is that they have this completely dreaded set of superweapons in the prequel, things that cause 1.3 million causalties, stuff that everyone agrees was horrific.

And they are hardly ever seen again !. The show almost completely skips out, opting to go instead for a different WMD, when all major parties had access to those previous ones...

And don't tell me they were banned before WW2 by international treaty, they were supposedly banned even before the prequel, and they still got used.

It's like building up a superhero, making him almost ridiculously overpowered, and then along comes the next episode and no mention is made of the previous strongest powers, going in a different directon instead.

Or the time turner thing never being seen again.
Well they kind of wrote themselves into a corner with the 'Atomic Bomb', in the mini-series semi-sequel "The Cold War" they had to come up with another ultimate-weapon, instead of using a little imagination they just went the Death Star route, "Hey lets make it bigger and better!", so we end up with a Super-A-Bomb, called 'The Hydrogen Bomb'. There aren't enough roll-eyes smilies in the world.

Though admittedly the episode 'The Cuban Factor' was pretty tense and watchable, the series big-bad guy backing down in the end was rather convenient and out of character though. I guess they didn't have the budget to depict a full-on war or something.

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Though admittedly the episode 'The Cuban Factor' was pretty tense and watchable, the series big-bad guy backing down in the end was rather convenient and out of character though. I guess they didn't have the budget to depict a full-on war or something.
Having the President's attorney general be his kid brother was a bit unbelievable too.
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I see WWII as more of an epic bloody Marx Brothers film, with the Keystone Cops thrown in.
Now that this was bumped, I need to mention one bit of poetic justice that was shown after the end credits of WWII.

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Groucho had been very close to his mother - she was instrumental in launching her sons’ careers - and wanted Melinda to see Dornum, Germany, where her grandmother had been born. When they got to the little town of less than 5,000 people, the group wandered into a pub to inquire as to the whereabouts of the city cemetery. Dornum wasn’t exactly a tourist hotspot, so the locals were understandably curious about the visitors from the U.S. When Groucho explained, he found that no one in the pub had heard of the famous Marx Brothers. After going through a couple of his routines, he left with new fans and directions to the cemetery just down the hill.

Though the group arrived at the Dornum Cemetery in good spirits, that quickly dissolved when they discovered that the entire Jewish section had been utterly destroyed. Though they went to the church on the grounds to locate burial records for Groucho’s grandparents and other relatives, the records were nowhere to be found.

Several days later, Groucho had his chauffeur take their party of five to East Berlin, declaring he wanted to see the remains of the bunker where Hitler committed suicide. Judith Dwan Hallet, now 70, recalls that the mood had very much changed. Whereas Groucho had been passing the time between towns by singing and stopping the car to demand that the gang get out for silly photo ops, the ride to East Berlin was somber.

When they arrived, Hallet said, it was as if the war had happened the day before. Nothing had been cleaned up or repaired; piles of rubble made the landscape look positively post-apocalyptic. The ruins of the Führerbunker were about 20 feet tall, but Groucho climbed to the top and proceeded to perform what Hallet called “a frenetic Charleston, for at least a minute or two, in a gesture of defiance.”

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I liked:

"the Soviet strongman whose name means "Man of Steel" in Russian (seriously, between calling the strongman "Man of Steel" and the Frenchman "de Gaulle", whoever came up with the names for this thing ought to be shot)."
The other Allied leaders have pretty fancifully heroic names too. Come on, Churchill, the "Church on the Hill"? Roosevelt, the "Field of Roses"?

Even more implausible is name of the leader of the invasion of France from England, Eisenhower, the "Iron Hewer." This is especially so in view of the fact that a Norman knight named Taliaferro, which means the same thing, was a hero of the Norman Conquest when the invasion went the other way 900 years earlier. A completely implausible coincidence. Give me a break.

The Bad Guys had names that were obviously intended to be ironic: Adolf, "The Noble Wolf," Benito, "The Blessed," Hirohito, "Abundant Benevolence."

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"Hey, let's take a huge, multi-ton chunk of hardened steel and make it fly!!!"

Yeah, not ever the best idea.
My God, they would have had to call it a Flying Fortress.
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The other Allied leaders have pretty fancifully heroic names too. Come on, Churchill, the "Church on the Hill"? Roosevelt, the "Field of Roses"?

Even more implausible is name of the leader of the invasion of France from England, Eisenhower, the "Iron Hewer." This is especially so in view of the fact that a Norman knight named Taliaferro, which means the same thing, was a hero of the Norman Conquest when the invasion went the other way 900 years earlier. A completely implausible coincidence. Give me a break.

The Bad Guys had names that were obviously intended to be ironic: Adolf, "The Noble Wolf," Benito, "The Blessed," Hirohito, "Abundant Benevolence."
Several decades ago, a fellow named Stewart Robb wrote an analysis of the names in "World War II" (in an essay called "Letter From A Higher Critic") which made some of the points you make above.
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Having the President's attorney general be his kid brother was a bit unbelievable too.
Not to mention hiring a top Nazi scientist to head his farfetched, technologically impossible "Apollo Program."
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Several decades ago, a fellow named Stewart Robb wrote an analysis of the names in "World War II" (in an essay called "Letter From A Higher Critic") which made some of the points you make above.
Thanks for reminding me of the name of the story and the author. I think I read that in an anthology decades ago but couldn't recall the name.

IIRC The point of the story was of historians arguing thousand of years in the future whether or not WWII was a historical event or mythical. One of them contended it was obviously mythical because of all the evidently made-up names.
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Thanks for reminding me of the name of the story and the author. I think I read that in an anthology decades ago but couldn't recall the name.

IIRC The point of the story was of historians arguing thousand of years in the future whether or not WWII was a historical event or mythical. One of them contended it was obviously mythical because of all the evidently made-up names.
No problem. It came up on the board earlier https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...d.php?t=476861 (I was the friend of Wendell's who identified it offline, which eventually led me to rejoin the board).
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