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Old 11-05-2017, 04:08 PM
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Greatest Scientists Ever: Elimination Game

The first thread I participated in here, almost a decade ago, was "The President Elimination Game." I learned a lot in that fun thread, and it introduced me to this message board....

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And with that, the game is over. By the process of elimination, the greatest US President is:

George Washington (None, 1789-1797)

Eliminated Presidents:

1. James Buchanan (Democrat, 1857-1861)
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31. Grover Cleveland (Democrat, 1885-1889, 1893-1897)
32. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican, 1801-1809)
33. James K. Polk (Democrat, 1845-1849)
34. Dwight Eisenhower (Republican, 1953-1961)
35. Harry S. Truman (Democrat, 1945-1953)
36. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Democrat, 1933-1945)
37. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican, 1901-1909)
38. Abraham Lincoln (Republican, 1861-1865)

And for post-game celebrations, I will turn it over to Brad Neely, for his unforgettable but perhaps not entirely historically accurate (and not completely work-safe) tribute.
(Note that Polk edges out T. Jefferson for the Seventh Greatest President title. Dark horse Cleveland comes in Ninth!)

*The thread was started by Qin Shi Huangdi, then known as Curtis LeMay. The Great Emperor Qin is still around of course, recently posting on the same topic -- Greatest American Presidents
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1) Abraham Lincoln
2) FDR
3) George Washington
4) LBJ
5) Harry Truman
6) James K. Polk
7) Thomas Jefferson
8) Barack Obama
9) Ulysses S. Grant
10) Theodore Roosevelt
Some of the other posts in that thread are interesting. I'd agree with
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I have to give Lincoln the nod over Washington if you're looking for our Greatest President. If you're going for lifetime achievement, Washington would win. But a large share of Washington's reputation is based on things he did before becoming President. His presidency was pretty quiet. Lincoln had to handle a lot more as President than Washington ever had to in that office.
Surely we don't need to wait the full decade to have
Greatest Scientists Ever: Elimination Game
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We are now in Phase I — Nomination Phase. Players may choose to add qualifiers (e.g. biology) to submissions. Mod reserves all rights. If we get fewer than 50 nominees, the Game is cancelled.

In Phase II, the set of nominees will be reduced to twenty finalists. The final Phase III will rank the finalists. Mod is not allowed to vote, but may break ties.

Nominations, please?
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Old 11-05-2017, 04:26 PM
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Let me offer a starter 13:

Einstein
Newton
Leibnitz
Darwin
Archimedes
Pythagoras
Eratosthenes
Galileo
Ge Hong
Zhang Heng
Galen
Brahmagupta
Al Khwarizmi

I'll also offer that the farther back you go, the more nebulous the definition of scientist becomes.
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Old 11-05-2017, 04:40 PM
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Marie Curie
Sir Humphrey Davy
Robert Boyle
Barbara McClintock
Rosalind Franklin
Emmy Noether
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Old 11-05-2017, 05:15 PM
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Old 11-05-2017, 05:24 PM
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Wiki has lists.
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Old 11-05-2017, 05:45 PM
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Old 11-05-2017, 05:47 PM
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I'm going to add Marconi. He was on a very short list of thinkers who used a physical property that was not intuitively visible to common men, and apply it to practical use.

And Benjamin Franklin. Just because he did other things does not detract from his being a brilliant theoretical scientist. Wikipedia itemizes eleven different scientific principles to which Franklin contributed.

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Old 11-05-2017, 06:39 PM
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I think an immediate sniff test for Western scientists would be to see if you could recognise them by only their last name.

And I'll add Dalton to the list of nominations.
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Old 11-05-2017, 06:48 PM
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Old 11-05-2017, 08:46 PM
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Sounds great - a few nominations in no particular order...

Francis Bacon
Louis Pasteur
Paul Dirac
Lise Meitner
Edwin Hubble
Richard Feynman
Jonas Salk
Johannes Kepler
Nicolai Tesla
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Old 11-06-2017, 04:26 AM
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Here are the nominations so far, in alphabetical order:

Al-Khwarizmi, Muhammad ibn Musa - math, astronomy
Archimedes - math, physics
Bacon, Francis - philosophy
Boyle, Robert - chemistry, physics
Brahmagupta - math, astronomy
Curie, Marie - radioactivity
Dalton, John - chemistry
Darwin, Charles - biology
Davy, Sir Humphrey - chemistry
Dirac, Paul - physics
Einstein, Albert - physics
Eratosthenes - math, astronomy
Euclid - math
Fermi, Enrico - atomic physics
Feynman, Richard - physics
Franklin, Benjamin - physics, etc.
Franklin, Rosalind - chemistry, X-ray crystallography
Galen, of Pergamon - biology, medicine
Galileo - physics, astronomy, etc.
Ge Hong - philosophy, alchemy
Halley, Edmond - astronomy, etc.
Heisenberg, Werner - quantum theory
Hubble, Edwin - astronomy
Kepler, Johannes - astronomy, math
Leibnitz, Gottfried - math, physics, etc.
Marconi, Guglielmo - radio transmission
Maxwell, James Clerk - physics
McClintock, Barbara - genetics
Meitner, Lise - atomic physics
Newton, Sir Isaac - math, physics
Noether, Emmy - math
Oppenheimer, Robert - atomic physics
Pasteur, Louis - chemistry, biology
Pauling, Linus - chemistry
Pythagoras - math
Salk, Jonas - medicine, vaccination
Smith, William - geology
Tesla, Nicolai - physicist, inventor
Zhang Heng - astronomy, mechanics

Participants are free to define their own criteria for "greatness," to advocate for their choices in the thread, and to suggest improvements for the very brief summary shown in the List.
I think several very important scientists are still missing. Feel free to contribute more names; encourage your friends to participate!


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Wholesale nomination by linking is not permitted. If any of those lists contain scientists you think should be nominated, please submit them individually. Following the precedent set by Quartz, no more than 13 scientists may be nominated in a single post.
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Old 11-06-2017, 04:46 AM
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Aristotle
Ptolemy
Nicolas Copernicus
Pierre de Fermat
Niels Bohr
Bertrand Russell
Gregor Mendel

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Old 11-06-2017, 06:54 AM
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Old 11-06-2017, 07:41 AM
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Leonard Euler (mathematics)
Karl Frederich Gauss (astronomy, mathematics)
Carl Sagan (astronomy)
Murray Gel-Mann (physics)
Kip Thorne (physics)
Kary Mullis (biology)

I figure we need at least a few contemporary names on the list, and a great science popularizer.
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Old 11-06-2017, 08:18 AM
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Most of my picks have been spoken, but want to give a shout-out to Edwin Hubble, without whom this game would be meaningless. IMHO, of course.
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Most of my picks have been spoken, but want to give a shout-out to Edwin Hubble, without whom this game would be meaningless. IMHO, of course.
Ninja'ed by wevets in #10. But I agree Hubble is a good choice. How prescient of his folks to name him after the famous space telescope!
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Old 11-06-2017, 08:50 AM
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Norman Borlaug
This is what I came in to say. Certainly a required person.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:28 AM
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Faraday.

Took to post 9 for Maxwell? Tsk tsk.

I think a lot of this will come down to criteria. Is science that has a lot of applications better? Is revolutionary better than incremental improvement? Depth vs breadth of contributions?

Interesting thread.
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Old 11-06-2017, 11:07 AM
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A few more nominations:

Fritz Haber - Controversial figure. Chemist who invented artificial fertilizer and gas warfare.
Maurice Hilleman - Biologist who developed dozens of vaccines. Saved more lives than any other person in history.
Justus von Liebig - One of the founders of organic chemistry and a great practical scientist.
Albert Michelson - One of the first astronomers to measure the speed of light. First American to win a Nobel Prize in science.
Edward Morley - The other half of the Michelson-Morley experiment. Did major work in astronomy, chemistry, optics, and physics.
Ernest Rutherford - Major figure in nuclear physics. Advanced atomic theory and explained radioactive decay.
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Old 11-06-2017, 11:37 AM
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We're up to sixty nominations already. Let's shoot for an even hundred!


Al-Khwarizmi, Muhammad ibn Musa - math, astronomy
Archimedes - math, physics
Aristotle - philosophy, geology, biology, etc.
Bacon, Francis - philosophy
Bohr, Niels - atomic physics
Borlaug, Norman - agronomics
Boyle, Robert - chemistry, physics
Brahmagupta - math, astronomy
Copernicus, Nicolas - astronomy
Curie, Marie - radioactivity
Dalton, John - chemistry
Darwin, Charles - biology
Davy, Sir Humphrey - chemistry
Dirac, Paul - physics
Einstein, Albert - physics
Eratosthenes - math, astronomy
Euclid - math
Euler, Leonhard - math
Faraday, Michael - electromagnetism, etc.
Fermat, Pierre de - math, optics
Fermi, Enrico - atomic physics
Feynman, Richard - physics
Franklin, Benjamin - physics, etc.
Franklin, Rosalind - chemistry, X-ray crystallography
Galen, of Pergamon - biology, medicine
Galileo - physics, astronomy, etc.
Gauss, Karl - math, astronomy
Ge Hong - philosophy, alchemy
Gell-Mann, Murray - physics
Haber, Fritz - controversial figure; chemist who invented artificial fertilizer and gas warfare.
Halley, Edmond - astronomy, etc.
Heisenberg, Werner - quantum theory
Hilleman, Maurice - biologist who developed dozens of vaccines; saved more lives than any other person in history.
Hubble, Edwin - astronomy
Kepler, Johannes - astronomy, math
Leibnitz, Gottfried - math, physics, etc.
Liebig, Justus von - one of the founders of organic chemistry and a great practical scientist.
Marconi, Guglielmo - radio transmission
Maxwell, James Clerk - physics
McClintock, Barbara - genetics
Meitner, Lise - atomic physics
Mendel, Gregor - genetics
Michelson, Albert - one of the first astronomers to measure the speed of light; first American to win a Nobel Prize in science.
Morley, Edward - the other half of the Michelson-Morley experiment; did major work in astronomy, chemistry, optics, and physics.
Mullis, Kary - biology
Newton, Sir Isaac - math, physics
Noether, Emmy - math
Oppenheimer, Robert - atomic physics
Pasteur, Louis - chemistry, biology
Pauling, Linus - chemistry
Ptolemy - astronomy
Pythagoras - math
Russell, Bertrand - math
Rutherford, Ernest - major figure in nuclear physics; advanced atomic theory and explained radioactive decay.
Sagan, Carl - astronomy
Salk, Jonas - medicine, vaccination
Smith, William - geology
Tesla, Nicolai - physicist, inventor
Thorne, Kip - physics
Zhang Heng - astronomy, mechanics


When Phase II begins, eliminations will be fast and furious! So advocates for dark horses like Ge Hong may want to start campaigning now. I may incorporate suggested bio synopses as I did with Little Nemo's nominees.

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I think a lot of this will come down to criteria. Is science that has a lot of applications better? Is revolutionary better than incremental improvement? Depth vs breadth of contributions?
It will be hard to agree on criteria. Genius versus Influence — often they don't go together. Feel free to debate in-thread which criteria are most appropriate.
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Old 11-06-2017, 11:44 AM
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Would Grace Hopper count as she was a pioneer Computer Scientist?
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:01 PM
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DaVinci, Leonardo - (he did science, too!) mathematics and anatomy
Jacob of Nisibis- founder of the School of Nisibis, one of the earliest institutions of learning.
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:25 PM
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Francis Crick & James Watson
Christiaan Huygens
Jane Goodall

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Stephen Hawking should be on the list, surprised it has taken this long. Granted his field of study is pretty narrow but he has done much to popularise physics, and science in general. Not to mention a role model for overcoming personal difficulty.

Edward Jenner probably deserves to be on there for his pioneering work in immunisation. Likewise Joseph Lister for antiseptics.
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:35 PM
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Andreas Vesalius, the founder of the anatomical sciences.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Vesalius
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Old 11-06-2017, 03:02 PM
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French chemist Antoine Lavoisier
He was already nominated in #25, but I'm glad to see him nominated twice!

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Originally Posted by Joseph-Louis Lagrange, speaking of Lavoisier's fate during the Reign of Terror

Il ne leur a fallu qu’un moment pour faire tomber cette tête, et cent années peut-être ne suffiront pas pour en reproduire une semblable.

[translation: It took them only an instant to cut off this head, and one hundred years might not suffice to reproduce its like.]
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Old 11-06-2017, 03:25 PM
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Alan Turing (if CS counts)
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Old 11-06-2017, 04:28 PM
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Would Grace Hopper count as she was a pioneer Computer Scientist?
Sure, she's a scientist, but

Ada Lovelace Byron

is more deserving of the place, I'd think. And Turing, but Snarky Kong just ninjaed me on him.
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Sure, she's a scientist, but

Ada Lovelace Byron

is more deserving of the place, I'd think. And Turing, but Snarky Kong just ninjaed me on him.
I disagree on Ada, what she did, did not lead to much progress at all. What Admiral Hopper and Alan Turing did changed the world in their lifetimes.

Turing did so much to help defeat the Axis that I think he is a great choice. Admiral Hopper's creation of the first human readable computer language made computers mainstream.

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Old 11-06-2017, 05:38 PM
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William of Ockham
Francis Bacon

Nominated for top 10:
Maurice Hilleman (vaccines)


I would accept it if economists are disallowed. But here are some of the main candidates anyway.

Adam Smith
David Ricardo
John Maynard Keynes
Paul Samuelson
Kenneth Arrow (greatest economist who isn't a household name)
Milton Friedman

These guys don't make my nomination list, but I'm giving them a mention.
Karl Popper (Philosophy of Science)
Thomas Kuhn (Philosophy of Science)

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Louis Leakey -- anthropology
Carolus Linnaeus -- botany, taxonomy
Antonie van Leeuwenhoek -- microbiology, microscopy
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I want to keep nominations open for another several days, but it's not too early to plan the rules for Elimination Round One. It looks like we'll have well over 100 nominations. I want to whittle them down to 36 finalists in a few elimination rounds.

I propose that each participant be allowed up to six OFF votes, and up to two KEEP votes. (A Keep vote cancels another's Off vote for the same scientist.) A player is allowed to change his votes at any time prior to the pre-announced End of Round.

These vote allowances will be reduced in subsequent rounds but we'll want to prune the initial List of Nominations rapidly. (How many will be eliminated at the end of Elimination Round 1? That's purely at Mod's whim, but the voting is open and Mod may seek advice.)

As Moderator I reserve the right to make up to 13 nominations of my own and will make four of them now. If we're going to allow inventors, or pure mathematicians, or theologians, or polymaths, then I nominate

Gutenberg, Johannes - invention
Poincare, Henri - math
Bruno, Giordano - philosophy
Goethe, Johann Wolfgang von - natural philosopher

These are NOT intended to encourage further submissions of these ilks — arguably not even "scientists" — but rather to put a stop to it.

The list of nominees is so large that some will want me to subdivide them. I'm undecided as to whether that's a good idea, but I've spoiled an arbitrary arrangement of the 96 current nominees into nine categories: 20 Physics, 17 Astronomy, 12 Math and Comp. Sci., 10 Chemistry, 10 Biology, 9 Philosophy and Geology, 7 Anthro & Health, 6 Economics, 5 Invention.

SPOILER:
Anthropology and Human Health
Borlaug, Norman - agronomics
Goodall, Jane - primatology
Hilleman, Maurice - biology, vaccination; saved more lives
Jenner, Edward - vaccination
Leakey, Louis - anthropology
Lister, Joseph - antiseptics
Salk, Jonas - medicine, vaccination
Biology
Crick, Francis - Dna
Darwin, Charles - biology
Galen, of Pergamon - biology, medicine
Leeuwenhoek, Antonie van - microbiology, microscopy
Linnaeus, Carolus - botany, taxonomy
McClintock, Barbara - genetics
Mendel, Gregor - genetics
Mullis, Kary - biology
Vesalius, Andreas - founder of anatomical sciences
Watson, James - Dna
Chemistry
Berzelius, Jacob - chemistry
Boyle, Robert - chemistry, physics
Dalton, John - chemistry
Davy, Sir Humphrey - chemistry
Franklin, Rosalind - chemistry, X-ray crystallography
Haber, Fritz - chemistry; invention (fertilizer, gas warfare)
Lavoisier, Antoine - chemistry
Liebig, Justus von - organic chemistry; a great practical scientist.
Pasteur, Louis - chemistry, biology
Pauling, Linus - chemistry
Astronomy
Al-Khwarizmi, Muhammad ibn Musa - math, astronomy
Brahmagupta - math, astronomy
Cannon, Annie Jump - astronomy
Copernicus, Nicolas - astronomy
Eratosthenes - math, astronomy
Galileo - physics, astronomy, etc.
Gauss, Karl - math, astronomy
Halley, Edmond - astronomy, etc.
Hubble, Edwin - astronomy
Kepler, Johannes - astronomy, math
Leavitt, Henrietta Swan - astronomy
Michelson, Albert - astronomy; speed of light
Morley, Edward - astronomy, chemistry, optics, and physics.
Ptolemy - astronomy
Rubin, Vera - astronomy
Sagan, Carl - astronomy
Zhang Heng - astronomy, mechanics
Mathematics and Computer science
Archimedes - math, physics
Euclid - math
Euler, Leonhard - math
Fermat, Pierre de - math, optics
Hopper, Grace - computer science
Leibnitz, Gottfried - math, physics, etc.
Lovelace, Ada Byron Countess of - computer science
Neumann, John von - computer science, etc.
Noether, Emmy - math
Poincare, Henri - math
Russell, Bertrand - math
Turing, Alan - computer science, etc.
Economic Science
Arrow, Kenneth - economics
Friedman, Milton - economics
Keynes, John Maynard - economics
Ricardo, David - economics
Samuelson, Paul - economics
Smith, Adam - economics
Invention
Edison, Thomas Alva - invention
Gutenberg, Johannes - invention
Leonardo da Vinci - anatomy, invention, etc.
Marconi, Guglielmo - radio transmission
Tesla, Nicolai - physics, invention
Philosophy and Geology
Aristotle - philosophy, geology, biology, etc.
Bacon, Francis - philosophy
Bruno, Giordano - philosophy
Ge Hong - philosophy, alchemy
Goethe, Johann Wolfgang von - natural philosopher
Nisibis, St. Jacob of - theology, founded early school
Ockham, William of - philosophy
Pythagoras - math
Smith, William - geology
Physics
Bardeen, John - physics, invention
Bohr, Niels - atomic physics
Curie, Marie - radioactivity
Dirac, Paul - physics
Einstein, Albert - physics
Faraday, Michael - electromagnetism, etc.
Fermi, Enrico - atomic physics
Feynman, Richard - physics
Franklin, Benjamin - physics, etc.
Gell-Mann, Murray - physics
Hawking, Stephen - cosmology
Heisenberg, Werner - quantum theory
Huygens, Christiaan - optics, physics
Maxwell, James Clerk - physics
Meitner, Lise - atomic physics
Newton, Sir Isaac - math, physics
Oppenheimer, Robert - atomic physics
Rutherford, Ernest - nuclear physics, atomic theory, radioactivity.
Thorne, Kip - physics
Wigner, Eugene - physics, symmetry


Here's the same list with all 96 names in a single alphabetized batch.
SPOILER:

Al-Khwarizmi, Muhammad ibn Musa - math, astronomy
Archimedes - math, physics
Aristotle - philosophy, geology, biology, etc.
Arrow, Kenneth - economics
Bacon, Francis - philosophy
Bardeen, John - physics, invention
Berzelius, Jacob - chemistry
Bohr, Niels - atomic physics
Borlaug, Norman - agronomics
Boyle, Robert - chemistry, physics
Brahmagupta - math, astronomy
Bruno, Giordano - philosophy
Cannon, Annie Jump - astronomy
Copernicus, Nicolas - astronomy
Crick, Francis - Dna
Curie, Marie - radioactivity
Dalton, John - chemistry
Darwin, Charles - biology
Davy, Sir Humphrey - chemistry
Dirac, Paul - physics
Edison, Thomas Alva - invention
Einstein, Albert - physics
Eratosthenes - math, astronomy
Euclid - math
Euler, Leonhard - math
Faraday, Michael - electromagnetism, etc.
Fermat, Pierre de - math, optics
Fermi, Enrico - atomic physics
Feynman, Richard - physics
Franklin, Benjamin - physics, etc.
Franklin, Rosalind - chemistry, X-ray crystallography
Friedman, Milton - economics
Galen, of Pergamon - biology, medicine
Galileo - physics, astronomy, etc.
Gauss, Karl - math, astronomy
Ge Hong - philosophy, alchemy
Gell-Mann, Murray - physics
Goethe, Johann Wolfgang von - natural philosopher
Goodall, Jane - primatology
Gutenberg, Johannes - invention
Haber, Fritz - chemistry; invention (fertilizer, gas warfare)
Halley, Edmond - astronomy, etc.
Hawking, Stephen - cosmology
Heisenberg, Werner - quantum theory
Hilleman, Maurice - biology, vaccination; saved more lives
Hopper, Grace - computer science
Hubble, Edwin - astronomy
Huygens, Christiaan - optics, physics
Jenner, Edward - vaccination
Kepler, Johannes - astronomy, math
Keynes, John Maynard - economics
Lavoisier, Antoine - chemistry
Leakey, Louis - anthropology
Leavitt, Henrietta Swan - astronomy
Leeuwenhoek, Antonie van - microbiology, microscopy
Leibnitz, Gottfried - math, physics, etc.
Leonardo da Vinci - anatomy, invention, etc.
Liebig, Justus von - organic chemistry; a great practical scientist.
Linnaeus, Carolus - botany, taxonomy
Lister, Joseph - antiseptics
Lovelace, Ada Byron Countess of - computer science
Marconi, Guglielmo - radio transmission
Maxwell, James Clerk - physics
McClintock, Barbara - genetics
Meitner, Lise - atomic physics
Mendel, Gregor - genetics
Michelson, Albert - astronomy; speed of light
Morley, Edward - astronomy, chemistry, optics, and physics.
Mullis, Kary - biology
Neumann, John von - computer science, etc.
Newton, Sir Isaac - math, physics
Nisibis, St. Jacob of - theology, founded early school
Noether, Emmy - math
Ockham, William of - philosophy
Oppenheimer, Robert - atomic physics
Pasteur, Louis - chemistry, biology
Pauling, Linus - chemistry
Poincare, Henri - math
Ptolemy - astronomy
Pythagoras - math
Ricardo, David - economics
Rubin, Vera - astronomy
Russell, Bertrand - math
Rutherford, Ernest - nuclear physics, atomic theory, radioactivity.
Sagan, Carl - astronomy
Salk, Jonas - medicine, vaccination
Samuelson, Paul - economics
Smith, Adam - economics
Smith, William - geology
Tesla, Nicolai - physics, invention
Thorne, Kip - physics
Turing, Alan - computer science, etc.
Vesalius, Andreas - founder of anatomical sciences
Watson, James - Dna
Wigner, Eugene - physics, symmetry
Zhang Heng - astronomy, mechanics


Please inform me if I have inadvertantly omitted your nomination.
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If we're going to allow inventors, or pure mathematicians, or theologians, or polymaths, then I nominate

Gutenberg, Johannes - invention
Poincare, Henri - math
Bruno, Giordano - philosophy
Goethe, Johann Wolfgang von - natural philosopher

These are NOT intended to encourage further submissions of these ilks — arguably not even "scientists" — but rather to put a stop to it.
I forgot the smiley-face here!

Actually, I'm proud of these choices and will definitely tout them all to survive and join the Thirty-Six Finalists! — using the same criteria others will use. For example, we can say — for better or worse — that Gutenberg created more lives than Maurice Hilleman saved: Books were a prerequisite for almost all the revolutions, including the population explosion.

If others understand my p.o.v. here and have similar nominees, please submit them!
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My thinking on Ada Lovelace is that it's impressive to invent a machine, or to come up with a new way to use a machine, but both of those have been done many, many times, by many, many people. But it's not often that you find someone figuring out how to use a machine that doesn't even exist. Hopper may have accomplished more, but she did so by standing on the shoulders of much taller giants.

Why 36 finalists specifically? Is there some reason that number is particularly easy to handle?
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I have to say right at the beginning I anticipate problems. Comparing Presidents is easy; they were all doing the same job and the Presidency is an individual role. And the nature of the job is open to public scrutiny.

Comparing scientists is a lot harder. First off, you have to know the fields of science and compare their value. Which is more important: Optics or botany? Calculus or chemistry? Psychology or physics? Then you have to compare the place each figure holds in their field of science (remembering to separate their public image from their professional role). Then you have to decide how much credit the figure owes to their predecessors and colleagues. Then you have to decide how credit they can claim for the work of their successors and colleagues.
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I agree with Little Nemo. How can you compare Darwin to Galileo? But on the other hand, it's just an internet game.
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Why 36 finalists specifically? Is there some reason that number is particularly easy to handle?
No reason; 36 is a pretty, round number. Anyway, the voting protocol may not change much between "phase II" and "phase III."

But the 36 Finalists will end up with numbers, #36 - #1, while the others will just be shown as "eliminated before final 36."

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I agree with Little Nemo. How can you compare Darwin to Galileo?
If participants prefer, we can subdivide into categories (biology, physics, anthropology, ?), and first vote within categories.
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Hedy Lamarr (not Hedley), whose spread spectrum wireless technology is largely responsible for why we have cell phones in modern day. (And you know, was useful in preventing the Nazis from intercepting allied messages during WWII as well as aiding the U.S during the Cuban Missile Crisis.)

Oh, and she was a talented actress who was easy on the eyes as well.
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Clair Patterson. He campaigned against leaded gasoline, after discovering how harmful its effects were.
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Looking over the list of nominations I see some unlikely omissions — just oversights probably. And I think we should have another 1 or 2 scientists from the Islamic Golden Age.

Here are ten scientists still missing I'd want to add. As a game within a game, whoever guesses any of the scientists I have in mind from these meager clues gets an extra vote in the first Elimination Round!

* Two important geologists
* Two important quantum physicists
* Two physical scientists, one Russian, one Austrian
* Four very influential thinkers associated with medicine or the study of humans
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If we're doing anthropology then surely Margaret Mead needs to be on the list.
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The 'Father of Information Theory', Claude Shannon, has not yet been nominated. I will do so here. He will fail the "recognizable by last name" test, but IMHO he deserves a nomination.
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Fine choice but not one of the anthropologists I was thinking of. All ten free votes are still available.

ETA: Claude Shannon is also a fine choice, though obviously not one of the categories for free vote.

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* Two physical scientists, one Russian ...
Andrei Sakharov -- nuclear physicist who conceived the nuclear fusion reactor (or tokamak)?
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Dmitri Mendeleev -- chemistry, periodic table
Max Planck -- quantum physics

Are either or both of these good for a bonus vote?

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