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Old 09-10-2019, 12:46 PM
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Movies, music, comedy, etc.. Someone who could have been on top, but for whatever reason, people stopped paying attention to them, even though they are just as talented, and/or still releasing material that is just as good as it was before. Or it could be someone like Van Gogh. Or it could be someone who has a cult audience, and you're thinking, "If this person was given a chance for a huge audience, they'd be so popular and respected"
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Old 09-10-2019, 01:58 PM
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I think this happens quite a bit to talented guitarists. Either they can't sing and try to, or they hook up with a singer that doesn't pair well with their playing. They are recognized for their amazing musicianship, but don't seem to ever have hit songs or become A list stars.
Two examples are Yngwe Malmstein and Joe Satriani.
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I doubt many people know who Clu Gulager is but his work often made me sit up and go "Heyyy...I like what you're doing there".
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I think this happens quite a bit to talented guitarists. Either they can't sing and try to, or they hook up with a singer that doesn't pair well with their playing. They are recognized for their amazing musicianship, but don't seem to ever have hit songs or become A list stars.
Two examples are Yngwe Malmstein and Joe Satriani.
I'll give you a better example, since both of those people are well known and have a huge number of fans: Luke Jaeger.

Mr. Jaeger writes and records under the band name Sleep Terror. HIs first EP and full-length were written and recorded solely by Mr. Jaeger, but his last two albums have featured a very talented drummer. All other instruments are played by Mr. Jaeger; there are no vocals on any Sleep Terror tune.

The music is mix of surf, flamenco, jazz and technical death metal, all done with impeccable taste and flair. AFAIK, his only outlet or sales is thru Bandcamp. My favorite of his output so far is El Insomne.

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Another favorite of mine is a guy named Andrew Falkous who records under the moniker Christian Fitness. His songs are catchy, quirky and fun. The style is as if Gang of Four were having a really good, happy day and decided to call in John Cooper Clarke to write lyrics and do vocals for them. AFAIK, he also primarily sells his work on Bandcamp. My favorite of his six albums is Slap Bass Hunks.

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Old 09-10-2019, 04:48 PM
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I don't know why Jeremy Jordan isn't a hundred times more famous.

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I think this happens quite a bit to talented guitarists. Either they can't sing and try to, or they hook up with a singer that doesn't pair well with their playing. They are recognized for their amazing musicianship, but don't seem to ever have hit songs or become A list stars.
Two examples are Yngwe Malmstein and Joe Satriani.
Add Roy Buchanan and Steve Vai.

The problem is yhat though their technique is masterful, there are flaws in their game that limits them. You can only go so far on technique alone. Jimi Hendrix was also a masterful guitar player, but he was also a great singer who could write a memorable song (and knew when technique was not enough).
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Musically, there's this fella named Chris Smither that (almost) no one knows about. Boy, he's good! And good news: Now you all know!
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Musically, there's this fella named Chris Smither that (almost) no one knows about. Boy, he's good! And good news: Now you all know!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5mKCydD8no
Long time fan of Chris Smither here!. I'm going to see him (for about the 5th time) next week.

I'll add David Lindley to the conversation. He plays basically anything with strings (and probably some things without strings), was the go-to sideman for everybody in the pop world in the '70's. Think Jackson Browne, Warren Zevon, Linda Ronstadt, Curtis Mayfield, James Taylor, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Dolly Parton, Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Toto, Rod Stewart and Joe Walsh among others.

He also fronts his own band and has explored world music with musicians from Africa.

Just an amazingly talented guy who is not well-known despite his success.
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I doubt many people know who Clu Gulager is but his work often made me sit up and go "Heyyy...I like what you're doing there".
Clu Gulager is rock solid in whatever he does; if I saw his name in the opening credits, I always watched, no matter how awful I thought the movie was going to be.
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Add Roy Buchanan and Steve Vai.

The problem is yhat though their technique is masterful, there are flaws in their game that limits them. You can only go so far on technique alone. Jimi Hendrix was also a masterful guitar player, but he was also a great singer who could write a memorable song (and knew when technique was not enough).
You think it's technique alone? They have written memorable songs. Vai and Satriani have a loyal fan base and have been putting out records for many years.

They just play in a genre that is not mainstream. Instrumental guitar music is not for everybody. And popular does not always equal good.
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Hammered Dulcimer-master Ted Yoder should be touring concert halls rather than elementary schools in my opinion.
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Old 09-11-2019, 05:19 AM
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Catherine Howe - wonderful singer, was attractive, good songs, good band.... Never understood why she basically had to retire for decades only to come back because of her song "Harry" (thanks to the prince)
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Sometimes it's a matter of playing an unusual instrument. I really like txalaparta (a xylophone made from and played with logs), but don't ask me to name any players other than Kepa Junkera.

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Tom Paxton. You may not know his name, but you know a lot of the songs he wrote, but you think they were written by someone else or are "traditional folk songs." He has been in the business since the early 1960's, and his songs have been covered by a lot of people. Paxton is a song writing mastermind, right below Bob Dylan in my book.
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I was using the metric of "household name" as opposed to "respect within the industry."

YMMV, and all that.
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Sorry, if a middle-aged white guy knows him (and his stage name), has seen performances and his videos... and knows that he's the second-best Lando Calrissian of all time... then he's definitely appreciated.
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Hammered Dulcimer-master Ted Yoder should be touring concert halls rather than elementary schools in my opinion.
That first link totally fucking rocks! Thank you for posting this!

eTA: OMG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAFT4eVX5Ak

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I was gonna miss the edit window, but that first link in lisiate's post was to Mr. Yoder performing Tears For Fears' Everybody Wants To Rule The World in his backyard.

The ETA link I posted is to Mr. Yoder performing Tears For Fears' Everybody Wants To Rule The World in his backyard with Tears For Fears!
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How many drummers does it take to change a light bulb?

None! They have a machine that can do that now!
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kirkrapine, was that meant to be in some other thread? Because I can't see how it's remotely relevant here.
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None! They have a machine that can do that now!
Those aren't drums!
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I always find it odd when I look up some actor on IMDb and find out that I've been watching them for years without realizing it. It happened with Eli Wallach and Tasha Martel. Wallach was amazing as Tuco in The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, but he could clean up and play an insurance agent or a judge. Martel played T'Pring (Spock's fiancee) in Star Trek, and she was also in Demon with a Glass Hand on The Outer Limits and dozens of guest roles back in the '60s and '70s.

I've always wondered if the best compliment you can give an actor is to say that you didn't recognize them.
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You think it's technique alone? They have written memorable songs. Vai and Satriani have a loyal fan base and have been putting out records for many years.

They just play in a genre that is not mainstream. Instrumental guitar music is not for everybody. And popular does not always equal good.
Steve Morse is IMHO the best guitar player in the world. After being voted by Guitar Player magazine best overall guitar player in the world enough times that they had to retire him and after putting out multiple albums with the Dregs he left music to become a commercial airline pilot. Thankfully he was able to come back and get some good paying gigs and pursue his own music as well. Despite some severe tendonitis issues he is still fantastic. I saw him on the Dregs reunion tour and I’m seeing Flying Colors next month.
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Musically, there's this fella named Chris Smither that (almost) no one knows about. Boy, he's good! And good news: Now you all know!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5mKCydD8no
This is a great example!

Being a guitar "player" (kindof), I appreciate when musicians put up pages like this one that Chris put up:

https://smither.com/etc/guitar-tunings/

He uses a lot of different tunings, so it is nice to have this reference.
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Cyndi Lauper should have received the accolades heaped on Madonna. I think Cyndi was and still is the more talented individual.
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Trivia note: Cyndi Lauper is the only woman to date to receive the Best Score Tony all by her lonesome. She wrote the songs for Kinky Boots all by herself with no help from anyone, male or female, and got the Tony for it.

So there. Theatre always recognizes real talent.

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Doug Stanhope is a pretty well respected comedian. His comedy isn't really mainstream but he is one of the best comedians working right now. However when he does shows he usually only sells a few hundred tickets per show.
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Doug Stanhope is a pretty well respected comedian. His comedy isn't really mainstream but he is one of the best comedians working right now. However when he does shows he usually only sells a few hundred tickets per show.
Agree, and I'd put Stewart Lee on that level as well.

Stanhope scares me in the way that he seems to think in complete, coherent comedy paragraphs....even while rat-arsed. He's like a comedy Hitchens.
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Danny Gatton was considered by some to be among the finest guitar players in the world. He had virtually no popular acclaim. He was the house band for a small-sh DC nightclub called Club Soda. He was Django Reinhart-level brilliant, but instead of French jazz, he played country/rock and was over the heads of his live audiences. He killed himself the same year Kurt Cobain did.
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Garry Wills is the best writer on American politics and history and has been for decades. It's not that he's completely unappreciated (since his material still occasionally appears in The New York Review of Books), but he should be more generally known. He's 85 years old now and has slowed down in his writing.
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I'm not sure if this fits the requirements of the OP, but an argument can be made that Paul Revere & The Raiders were highly underrated and (even more so) underappreciated. Here is a recent article that makes that argument.
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Doug Stanhope is a pretty well respected comedian. His comedy isn't really mainstream but he is one of the best comedians working right now. However when he does shows he usually only sells a few hundred tickets per show.
He's considered a comedian's comedian. He mentors a lot of comics. E.g., he has helped out Mrs. FtG's relative who is a comic of similar ilk. He does small time benefit gigs, too. Nice guy who does out-there comedy. So not easily pegged for the purposes of promotion.
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Ron Sexsmith - gets great reviews and accolades, but not much else, really.

The Tragically Hip - great music, hugely popular in Canada, but not as much anywhere else. Maybe just too “Canadian”?
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I've seen Stanhope 3 times, and I like the small venues. His last special was the first one I thought that wasn't too great. When I last saw him live, he was basically repeating himself.
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The Monkees. A band put together for a TV show, ignoring the fact that they all were capable musicians and singers, recorded songs written by great songwriters (Boyce & Hart, Neil Diamond & Michael Nesmith), but always seen as a "fad." The band pretty much faded away after the TV ended.
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…until the reunion tours that drew millions of fans to see them, even when it wasn't all 4 of the guys.

Not a great example, IMO.

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In what field because if you mean acting (as Lando in the Han Solo movie) I quite agree with you. Pretty sure he's appreciated in music.
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Ron Sexsmith - gets great reviews and accolades, but not much else, really.

The Tragically Hip - great music, hugely popular in Canada, but not as much anywhere else. Maybe just too “Canadian”?
In the same vein I'd add Colin James. Big in Canada, almost unknown everywhere else. He toured with Stevie Ray Vaughan back in the day, and Vaughan couldn't stop singing praises about his playing and songwriting.

James tours continually, and sells out medium sized venues in Canada (1,000-3,000 people).

I think the Tragically Hip were a little more popular in the U.S. - especially in the border states.
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In the same vein I'd add Colin James. Big in Canada, almost unknown everywhere else. He toured with Stevie Ray Vaughan back in the day, and Vaughan couldn't stop singing praises about his playing and songwriting.

James tours continually, and sells out medium sized venues in Canada (1,000-3,000 people).

I think the Tragically Hip were a little more popular in the U.S. - especially in the border states.
When Gord died, there was some news here in the US.
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Andrew Vachss. His Burke novels are absolutely wonderful and deserve to be made into movies of a TV series.
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I was using the metric of "household name" as opposed to "respect within the industry."

YMMV, and all that.
Gotta go with the others; Donald Glover "popped" on my radar for his role in The Martian, and I was happy to see him in Spiderman: Homecoming (not a large role, but he owned it), and then his turn as Lando Calrissian in Solo*, which I thought was spot on consistent with Billy Dee Williams, while not being derivative, if that even makes sense. Basically, Mr. Glover owned that role, too!
















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