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Old 05-25-2019, 11:34 PM
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A disguise worked for Mrs Doubtfire.

I seriously doubt in the real word that guy could fool his ex-wife and kids for more than a few minutes.

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I'm sure its innocent... but... I had the same reaction. This seems a little bit over the line. If 'stalkerish' was a real word... yeah but it's not.
I think you're reading too much into it...


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A disguise worked for Mrs Doubtfire.

I seriously doubt in the real word that guy could fool his ex-wife and kids for more than a few minutes.
Keep in mind though, he had a full on mask that was surprisingly realistic. He also changed his entire persona from his voice down to his walk. But, it was a movie afterall.

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Right, they used those full on silicone masks. I'm talking more of using facial prosthetics instead.
Not even: clothing, accesories, demeanor and even location can make a world of difference. Back when I was in college (ChemE), my friends and I discovered that, despite the four of us going together pretty much everywhere and looking quite distinctive as a pack, just by:
* switching our lab-ready clothes for fashionable ones,
* wearing contacts or our newest glasses rather than the biggest ones we had,
* putting on a very-moderate amount of makeup,
* and doing our hair (not even needing to go to the hairdresser),
a surprising amount of our male classmates didn't recognize us until we walked straight up to them and said "hi, guys!" (*4).

I once was greeted at the train station by this super-tall guy who was there with his tiny wife and two boys. The guy was wearing that year's Barça's second uniform, whose main area was highlighter yellow. I answered "uhm... hi?" "You've got no idea who I am " "I'll willingly admit I don't" "From work" ".......... OOOOH! You're the programmer who always leaves his phone behind! You cheat! Every time I see you you're wearing all grey and slinked down under your desk! I didn't even know you were this tall."
His wife was laughing sooo hard at my signed description of the way he draped himself over the chair and under the desk.
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I think you're reading too much into it...


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This person that I've known for a few months likes to play practical jokes alot. Some of them are harsh.


Fine point well taken. I have no insight into people who would think this is fun.
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Not even: clothing, accesories, demeanor and even location can make a world of difference. Back when I was in college (ChemE), my friends and I discovered that, despite the four of us going together pretty much everywhere and looking quite distinctive as a pack, just by:
* switching our lab-ready clothes for fashionable ones,
* wearing contacts or our newest glasses rather than the biggest ones we had,
* putting on a very-moderate amount of makeup,
* and doing our hair (not even needing to go to the hairdresser),
a surprising amount of our male classmates didn't recognize us until we walked straight up to them and said "hi, guys!" (*4).

I once was greeted at the train station by this super-tall guy who was there with his tiny wife and two boys. The guy was wearing that year's Barça's second uniform, whose main area was highlighter yellow. I answered "uhm... hi?" "You've got no idea who I am " "I'll willingly admit I don't" "From work" ".......... OOOOH! You're the programmer who always leaves his phone behind! You cheat! Every time I see you you're wearing all grey and slinked down under your desk! I didn't even know you were this tall."
His wife was laughing sooo hard at my signed description of the way he draped himself over the chair and under the desk.

Very interesting that it didn't take much to not be recognized. I was always under the impression that distinct facial features such as a nose or a chin would make anybody recognizable.
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Old 05-27-2019, 08:20 PM
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From the end of that article:

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About our intrepid Daily Planet reporter, however: Apparently participants who knew the subjects were less likely to be fooled, so she's not quite off the hook.
From the linked study abstract:

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There was no improvement in identification performance when participants were told that the faces might be in disguise. However, people who personally knew the photographed models were often able to see through the disguises.
(Emphasis mine).

It might be relatively easy to disguise yourself from strangers, but people who know you are much less likely to be fooled.
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From the end of that article:



From the linked study abstract:

(Emphasis mine).

It might be relatively easy to disguise yourself from strangers, but people who know you are much less likely to be fooled.
Depends on the definition of what you mean when you say someone that knows you well. Also depends on how convincing the disguise is.

From that article that you linked that I found interesting,

"Dr Noyes emphasised: “Our models used inexpensive simple disguises and there were no make-up artists involved. If people want to, it’s very easy to change their appearance.”


“Even simple disguise reduces accuracy of human face recognition. Next, we will test how computer face recognition algorithms fare on the same tasks” said Dr Noyes."

And these were just simple disguises. Imagine what the results would've been if they went the extra mile and put more effort in disguising.

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Old 05-28-2019, 07:07 AM
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one data point on this.

Walking down an unfamiliar town street just the other day my wife and I ran into her sister, pretty much literally. She was waving at us and we were looking behind us to see who she was waving at. Neither of us recognised her.
Her hair was down and the wind was blowing it into an unfamiliar style and we weren't expecting to see her in that place either.

Now I'm fairly face-blind but my wife isn't and if her sister hadn't made herself known we'd have walked right past her, no great amount of disguise needed.
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My first wife fooled me. Many years ago she got it into her head that I preferred blondes (she was brunette). She mentioned it a few times fairly pointedly. We went to a party and I can't remember why but we drove separately. The party was a large group of friends and I knew almost everyone. But sitting at a nearby table was a blonde women I was really taken with. I kept glancing at her as she talked with another friend. She was really intriguing and I think I stared a bit too much. After about 15 minutes she walked over to me and said, "Well, what do you think"? It was my wife in blonde wig and sexy clothes borrowed from her sister. Until she spoke I was oddly attracted but did not recognize her.

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Old 05-30-2019, 02:59 AM
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I am sure it can be done well enough to fool a casual inspection. Nothing is likely to survive very close examination where the observer is on guard to detect deception.

I am bald and clean-shaven. I went to the party of an old mate who had been a clubbie - surf-life saving clubs are a thing in Australia, and a significant culture surrounds them. Guys who used to be into the culture often still have the old surfie appearance. So I got some good theatrical facial hair and a wig and gave myself a blonde porn star "tache and a mullet hairdo. Walked past good mates and said hello, and got lots of thin unsure responses that obviously meant they did not recognise me. When I actively engaged them for long enough to look at me, I could see the recognition switch on after a little while, but I wasn't actively trying to fool them, just letting them figure it out. I think I could have strung it out a bit longer if I actively tried to fool them with an accent, a deceptive back story or the like. Eventually they would have picked it, but I think that if I had moved around like party guests do, there might have been some who didn't catch on. Body shape, unconscious mannerisms that are hard to hide, etc would eventually clue them in. But this was not officially fancy dress - I just did it for shits and giggles. If it had been fancy dress and other guests were alert to deception for that reason, I would have been rumbled very quickly.
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Once upon a really long time ago when I lived in Oakland, my then partner (who was somewhat older than me and had worn his hair long and his beard shaggy for all the time I'd known him) decided for reasons of his own to cut it short and shave it down.

Without telling me about it.

I walked in the house that afternoon and there was a square looking middle-aged fart with short combed down hair, big sideburns, and one of those 1970s macho man 'staches standing in the middle of our living room. Wearing a blue suit jacket and slacks, no less.

I said "Do you have a warrant, motherfucker?"

He cracked up laughing like an asshole, then I realized who the laughing asshole was.

Seriously. I left an old hippie dude in the morning and came home to a plain clothes Oakland cop* that afternoon. If he had walked past me on the street, I'd've had not the foggiest that it was my boyfriend of several years.

So, based on my personal experience, you could fool someone that way, at least in the short term.


*Not really, but he was the very spit of one. I really expected to see a badge and a gun within the next couple of seconds.

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Old 05-31-2019, 12:46 AM
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I think whether you can fool someone with a disguise depends on alot of different factors. One mainly being the person your disguising yourself from and how much attention they pay to detail. How aware they are, etc.

You also have to consider how long said person has known you for. If it's somebody you've known for years and years it would probably be more difficult.

How elaborate your disguise is also matters alot. Along with your mannerisms, voice, etc. There's more to it besides just how you look.

I have a personal example myself to share. I shaved my beard off recently and showed up at my daughter's kindergarten class to pick her up. I was wearing a pair of sunglasses and a hat. My daughter's teacher had no idea who I was since she's always seen me with a beard. I had to take my sunglasses off for her to recognize me.

So I would say yes, it can be done. Just depends on the individual you're trying to fool.
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I had a circle of friends who would often have various themed parties. One party was a cross-dressing theme and I had a friend do me up in makeup, dress, wig, etc. I went out for drinks afterward staying in costume and spied other friends at a table and we joined them. No one recognized me and just thought I was somebody's friend of a friend. It took me removing my hat, wig, lowering my voice to normal, and slowly saying "It's me! Gargoyle!" before recognition dawned.

Another time at Halloween, simply dressing as Gilligan made me totally unrecognizable solely due to the wig.

My theory is that I have rather bland distinctive features, with no obvious uniqueness to fixate on, so if I'm not seen as 'total package' me then it can be hard to suss out me as an individual.
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My theory is that I have rather bland distinctive features, with no obvious uniqueness to fixate on, so if I'm not seen as 'total package' me then it can be hard to suss out me as an individual.
Not having any distinctive features definitely aids in that situation.
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I realize that alot would be invovled in making this happen
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That's crazy, I would think it would take alot more to disguise yourself from someone that knows besides just wearing a wig.
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This person that I've known for a few months likes to play practical jokes alot.
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How would you pull it off though, especially up close and during a conversation?



There's alot of techniques online for changing your voice, or at the very least altering it to a degree.

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It's not impossible, it would just take alot of forethought and practice. Like I've mentioned before a few times, "a person who knows you well" is subjective. It might be alot more difficult to fool someone who's known you your entire life vs someone who's only known you for a few months.
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I think whether you can fool someone with a disguise depends on alot of different factors.
How elaborate your disguise is also matters alot.

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Why would I want to do that? Your posts cried out for that one specific link and I provided it. You're welcome.
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Why would I want to do that? Your posts cried out for that one specific link and I provided it. You're welcome.
Oh I don't know...maybe because I'd like to stay on topic perhaps? If you go back, you can click that big button up top that says, "Post New Thread". You're welcome.

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I am sure it can be done well enough to fool a casual inspection. Nothing is likely to survive very close examination where the observer is on guard to detect deception.
Right, if somebody has their guard up and is aware that someone is trying to disguise themselves then I'm sure it would be much more difficult.
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Does anyone think it's possible for one to disguise one's self so that a person, who knows you well, wouldn't recognize you during an interaction? And would it also be possible to have multiple interactions over a sustained period of time with this person without them ever knowing who you really are?
Simply: yes. But it helps if you are out of the context they usually see you in and you are surprising them. I do living-history events. A cousin I have known since she was born, and see often throughout the year, happened to be visiting Williamsburg at the same time I was doing a program there. She had never seen me "in character" and we talked for almost 30 minutes before I started to drop clues so she would catch on. And I've done the same thing with countless friends and coworkers over the years. Get away from your usual region and situation and I think you could almost fool a parent let alone anyone else.
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Something that surprised me recently:

I went to my niece’s college graduation. My family was seating in the stadium, pretty high up. We where watching the hundreds of graduates file in at the beginning of the ceremony, trying to see if we could spot her. We couldn’t see any faces,we were facing the stage. Just the backs of a bunch of people dressed alike, although we could see the hairstyles. We had no idea where she was going to be sitting and whether she’d be near the beginning or end of the processional.

And a few times we were like “is that her?”, “maybe” “I think that’s her” “No”........

But when she actually appeared, it was so blindingly obvious that it was a little bit astounding. We had absolutely no doubt. The back of her hair, height, posture and gait made her as recognizable as she would’ve been if she was standing right in front of me. So much so that it got us discussing how good humans are at recognition based on small cues. So I think it would be really hard to disguise yourself from someone that knew you well.

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I think you're reading too much into it...
Maybe, but also count me among the people who think this would be really creepy, the sort of thing I'd end a friendship over if it went on for more than a few minutes. Doing this for weeks? Yeah, that's not "prank," that's "mentally disturbed stalker."

In the first or second season of Face-Off (the makeup/effects competition show, not the Travolta movie), there was a challenge to do exactly this (albeit for a relatively brief interaction -- the disguised person had to sell their spouse/significant other/parent something in a shop without being recognized, including actually speaking to and in some cases touching them. All the contestants managed it, although in a couple of cases there was suspicion that the other person might have recognized them and played along.
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Maybe, but also count me among the people who think this would be really creepy, the sort of thing I'd end a friendship over if it went on for more than a few minutes. Doing this for weeks? Yeah, that's not "prank," that's "mentally disturbed stalker."
You're entitled to your opinion. I've already explained it once.
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The back of her hair, height, posture and gait made her as recognizable as she would’ve been if she was standing right in front of me.
Well besides the height, things like gait and posture would have to be changed to try and disguise yourself then. I still maintain that actual appearance would be the most difficult thing to change. Like I've said before, there really isn't much you can do to change your face.
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You're entitled to your opinion. I've already explained it once.
And you to yours. But when basically everyone other than yourself disagrees with your position, it's sometimes wise to take the free advice.
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And you to yours. But when basically everyone other than yourself disagrees with your position, it's sometimes wise to take the free advice.
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Keep in mind though, he had a full on mask that was surprisingly realistic. He also changed his entire persona from his voice down to his walk. But, it was a movie afterall.
Also keep in mind that this would be easier for someone with the improvisational skills of Robin Williams.
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Also keep in mind that this would be easier for someone with the improvisational skills of Robin Williams.
Exactly, it also helped that the movie was unrealistic. The prosthetic face mask that he was wearing is usually only meant for a one time wear.
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