View Poll Results: Which song entitled "The End" do you vote for?
The Beatles' 42 42.42%
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Old 07-09-2019, 10:18 PM
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The End vs. The End


Beatles vs. Doors. Which do you vote for?

Base your vote on any criteria you like (personal favorite, more iconic, better song to sniff glue to, song more likely to be playing whilst one loses their virginity, etc).

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Old 07-10-2019, 02:42 AM
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One of these songs has a cheesy aphorism about love masquerading as something deep, the other is a 12-minute epic that includes a retelling of Oedipus.

I know which one I prefer.
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Old 07-10-2019, 05:55 AM
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I like the Beatles far more than I do the Doors, but the Beatles song is a piece of musical fluff. Nice, but trivial.
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Old 07-10-2019, 06:19 AM
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The Beatles' song is short but beautiful, and a perfect way to (almost) end their studio recordings.

The Doors' song is a wild, rambling, disjointed, psychedelic, Oedipal journey that literally launched the Doors' recording career.

Jim wins this one over Paul.
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Old 07-10-2019, 08:04 AM
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The End, Father of Sniping, wins this one. NATURE ITSELF is backing him up.
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Old 07-10-2019, 08:13 AM
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Beatles no question for me. Can’t stand the boring (mostly) two-chord drone of the Doors, and the Oedipal imagery just sounds gratuitous to me. But I really dislike the Doors (minus maybe Peacr Frog), so take it for what it’s worth. I just find the Beatles song a much more enjoyable musical journey.
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Old 07-10-2019, 08:24 AM
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I love The Beatles to a nearly unhealthy degree...but I clearly remember being about 13 years old when a kid sitting next to me on a bus during a field trip gave me his headphones and told me to listen...it was "The End" by The Doors and I had never heard anything like it. I immediately became a fan. It may be cheesy to an adult hearing it for the first time, but to me at the time it was pure mystery and magic and I wanted more.

The Beatles "The End" is perfectly fine and works well in the Abbey Road medley, but it's mostly an excuse for three guitar players to solo and for Ringo to get his only drum solo in. "Her Majesty" saves it from its own overindulgence.
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Old 07-10-2019, 08:30 AM
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Try and imagine Martin Sheen smashing mirrors to the Beatles.
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Old 07-10-2019, 08:43 AM
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I think Burt Reynolds spitting up all those pills onto the glass-top table beats both of those tunes.
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Old 07-10-2019, 10:18 AM
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I like them both, but I give the slight edge to the Beatles.

The Doors song has good imagery but it also kind of drones and in the live versions Morrison can't even keep a coherent steam of thought in his head. It's embarrassing. But it really works in Apocalypse Now.

The Beatles is fluff, but it's fun fluff. Plus, it has Ringo's one and only drum solo. Rock on, Ringo!
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"When the Music's Over," the follow-up to "The End" from the Doors' second album is a better song, but it doesn't have the intensity that made "The End" such a must see at the Whiskey-a-Go-Go that the band became instant sensations. That might be the ultimate go back in time experience for 60s rock. Whether the record came close is doubtful. But it blew minds before mind-blowing became the thing to do.

That was in 1967. By 1969, softer sounds were in vogue and creating a suite of songs out of snippits of brief melodies, amusing lyrics, and odd characters was the way to end an album.

I'm talking about the Doors' "The Soft Parade," of course.

That followed the pattern of "Abbey Road" and its song suite, the one that included "The End," intended not as a blast of introduction but as a remembrance of individuals coalescing into a band and then splitting apart again, with brief solos by each. That works superlatively as intended.

Other than the similarity of titles, the two songs are about as comparable as Schopenhauer and Bach. No vote.
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Such a difficult choice!
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Old 07-10-2019, 11:16 AM
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The fabs.

I can't go all the way for the Doors The End. It's a high concept conversation starter. But not enough of it sounds like music. It's got more angst than song.
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Old 07-10-2019, 11:32 AM
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I was going to say "the Reynolds/DeLuise version" myself.
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Old 07-10-2019, 11:32 AM
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.... Whether the record came close is doubtful. But it blew minds before mind-blowing became the thing to do. ...
From Wikipedia:

"The song was recorded live in the studio with no overdubbing.[7] Two takes were done and it has been held that the second take is the one that was issued.[8] However, it has been speculated that the issued version of the song is an edit of both takes, with at least one splice."

So, pretty darned close to what you'd hear at The Whisky back in the day.
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Old 07-10-2019, 11:41 AM
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The Doors’ version is one of the songs that classic rock radio ruined for me.
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From Wikipedia:

"The song was recorded live in the studio with no overdubbing.[7] Two takes were done and it has been held that the second take is the one that was issued.[8] However, it has been speculated that the issued version of the song is an edit of both takes, with at least one splice."

So, pretty darned close to what you'd hear at The Whisky back in the day.
Musically, maybe. The reports of the way Morrison screamed and acted the finale live makes it clear that the histrionics aren't part of the cleaned-up recording. We're talking about seeing him up close in a small club, not a giant arena. The equivalent would be to see the Beatles sweating in the Cavern Club as opposed to Shea Stadium or Meet the Beatles.
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Old 07-10-2019, 01:37 PM
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The Beatles, but with a caveat.
I consider Golden Slumbers, Carry That Weight, and The End to be all one song.
The End works better as a coda to the trio than it does on its own.

While both bands could certainly be full of themselves, the Beatles earned that right much more than the Doors did.

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Old 07-10-2019, 03:18 PM
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Amazing how close this vote is. As of now, it's 29 to 29.
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:33 PM
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Very slight edge to The Beatles because of the drum and guitar solos.
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:35 PM
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Doors. Always The Doors when it comes to stuff like this.
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:50 PM
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Doors. Always The Doors when it comes to stuff like this.
Other stuff like this?
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:52 PM
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I voted the Beatles because I can't stand the Doors.
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Old 07-10-2019, 06:02 PM
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Love ‘em both, but narrowly went with the Doors. It’s just so...cinematic (even before Coppola’s masterful use of it).
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During my angsty teenage years i listened to The End (Doors) through headphones in a dark room, late at night. Very atmospheric. I particularly liked the line: “No safety or surprise, the End.”

But it’s too silly for me now. Atmospheric isn’t enough.

OTOH, the Abbey Road End still gives me a kick. The solos rock hard without any showing off — just pure rocking fun. And as for the section after the solos, this is Rick Beato’s part-by-part recreation, and it’s impressive.
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Other stuff like this?
60s rock and roll, Angst and Fury Division, Los Angeles Brigade. I was there, so it resonates better than the über-band The Beatles, who just blew through town and gave a few concerts.

Overall, The Beatles are in a completely different league than just about any other band in history. But they didn't do angst well at all. Since that was my standard for judging this contest, Jim wins.
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Old 07-10-2019, 07:46 PM
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Though I like the Doors just fine, The End is not their best long song. Better than Celebration of the Lizard, but ...
So I go with the Beatles. I've heard overindulgent solos (and like some of them) but their solos are the very opposite of overindulgent.
If I were forced to listen to an hour of one of these, I'd much prefer the Beatles.
Anyhow, Freud is so 20th century.
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I prefer the Burt Reynolds/Dom DeLuise movie.

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I prefer the Burt Reynolds/Dom DeLuise movie.
I do believe it was the first R-rated movie I ever saw. I was 10, and my dad took me. I thought that someone had done a remake; I'm glad to discover i was mistaken.

Back to the OP, I think the Beatles are the greatest band ever, but I chose the Doors in this poll.

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Old 07-11-2019, 01:38 AM
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No option for other? Cuz I got one.
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Even though I think the Doors are the most overrated rock band in the history of the Known Universe, I would say their "End" is superior to the Beatles'.
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Old 07-11-2019, 09:13 AM
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I voted the Doors because the Beatles are overrated... I have fond memories of listening to The Doors on headphones in the dark and the imagery it conjures is very cinematic to say the least. The Beatles song is kinda fluffy.
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One of these songs has a cheesy aphorism about love masquerading as something deep, the other is a 12-minute epic that includes a retelling of Oedipus.

I know which one I prefer.
But we don't.

I went with the Beatles. I find The Doors overwrought and exhausting. Conversely, I find the Beatles trite and simplistic (come at me!), but I'll blame that on their popularity.
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I can't believe this poll is even slightly close. But then I've never been a big fan of the Beatles.

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The first time I heard the Doors’ The End was when I was a teenager and saw Apocalypse Now when it first came out. It was an awesome thing. The Beatles’ The End is a fine piece of music but it’s basically another Beatles song.
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Thanks to this thread, I listened to the Doors' "The End" in its entirety for the first time ever just now. And, sorry, I was not impressed. If I were in the right mood, or under the right influence, I might find it hauntingly effective; but in the mood I actually was in, I just found it self-indulgent wankery.

The Beatles' "The End" actually is the end. I've heard it many times throughout my life, always in its proper context as the last movement (practically) of Abbey Road. And in that context, it's something special: four great musicians working together for the last time, and at the height of their collective powers.
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This is the correct answer.
To what question?
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To what question?
I dunno--THIRD BASE!
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I was thinking that maybe another song could be added to the poll: Los Endos.
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I was thinking that maybe another song could be added to the poll: Los Endos.
Well, that makes no sense. An endo is the thing that precedes a proper faceplant. Not really in line with the subject.
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