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This thread looks quite different when SamuelA is the one on Ignore. And better by a magnitude of thousands, naturally.
Skimming by his long posts works very well as well, since you can be sure to have missed nothing at all.
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Until you / they can figure out exactly how to freeze someone that isn't currently dead* without killing them I'm pretty sure that is gonna be murder in most jurisdictions.

*'Cause ya ain't reallllly dead if your brain ain't dead, "mostly dead" ain't something taught in med school!

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This is a reasonable argument in that it is true that current laws are not designed for this. Remember, it's totally acceptable to consider a patient dead if their heart stopped, even though in reality you have somewhere between 4 and 30 minutes before they are 'really, definitely, 100% dead'. (the greater threshold is because there's some clinical success with longer durations)

Remember, also, that the majority religion when these laws were written believes at some point your "soul" detaches from your body to go to heaven or hell, after which if you could successfully revive someone, maybe they'd be soul-less or replaced with a demon or maybe god would punish you for your audacity. If you're wondering, the last idea I heard expressed by a medical student, and the first 2 are common themes in dozens of movies.

So no, you don't deserve ignore. Now if you said "SamuelA is a crackpot, all his posts are nonsense", that would be a sweeping insult worthy of becoming the 6th ignore list entry.

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Old 12-28-2017, 12:32 PM
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This kid is one lab accident away from becoming super amateur-villain.

You'll be sorry! You'll ALL BE SORRY!!
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To a CS-trained mind, the world is not only more complex than we understand, it's more complex than we can understand. We, the CS gurus, lose our ability to recognize all the ways in which the messy substrates of the real world are not nearly so tractable as the clean, simple, and manmade substrate of pure math & logic. We spend so much time succeeding at managing spherical cows to good effect that we forget about the messy reality of real flesh-and-blood cows.

It's a common failing of CS people. But it can be worked past.
You are way too kind LSLGuy, and I love you for it. I think SamuelA might have a lot of interesting ideas about highly technical subjects, but even in something fairly simple to understand he displays a lack of even basic reading comprehension and works himself into a frenzy of abusive, belittling language. He is far more concerned about proving that he has a superior grasp of everything than actually understanding fully what is being talked about. Some of this has nothing to do with being a CS major and much more to do with coming from a standpoint of fear and anxiety about being wring about something.

But maybe I'm projecting; if he is as young as I believe him to be, then at his age I was at least just as bad. This just makes me feel a little sad and sorry for him, he will probably have many difficult years ahead of him, hopefully he listens to some of what you have to say. Or maybe he's just fine how he is - I don't know, I'm not a psychologist, I fix bicycles for a living. But my cat loves me, so that's something. She's fast asleep on my arm right now, it's sooo cute, and also provides a reasonable amount of warmth. Maybe SamuelA should get a cat.

Anyhow, here is the thread I'm talking about :

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=842937

He can't figure out the different meanings of the words tax lien and lender foreclosure.
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Old 12-28-2017, 12:34 PM
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Insult for an insult :

Definition of obdurate
1 a : stubbornly persistent in wrongdoing an unrepentant, obdurate sinner
b : hardened in feelings The obdurate enemy was merciless.
2 : resistant to persuasion or softening influences obdurate in his determination
remaining obdurate to her husband's advances —Edith Wharton

Definition of obstinate
1 : stubbornly adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion obstinate resistance to change
2 : not easily subdued, remedied, or removed obstinate fever

Definition of similar
1 : having characteristics in common : strictly comparable

So "struggling" would be a rather poor interpretation of the facts given the root word I matched to has a similar definition. I am happy with the performance of my neural network on this task.
You struggled on the point of realizing that the root of "obdurism" is "obdurate". No matter how many words you throw at us, you still messed it up. It's OK, man. It really is.
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Or maybe he's just fine how he is - I don't know, I'm not a psychologist, I fix bicycles for a living. But my cat loves me, so that's something. She's fast asleep on my arm right now, it's sooo cute, and also provides a reasonable amount of warmth. Maybe SamuelA should get a cat.

Anyhow, here is the thread I'm talking about :

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=842937

He can't figure out the different meanings of the words tax lien and lender foreclosure.
Both involve an auction, right...

In that thread, you didn't bother to specify what the differences were. I'm sure there are slight procedural differences*, but how does that matter? My point from the beginning was the house must sell for a lot less than it's worth, or there's no point in buying it and flipping it. This is basic mathematics. And I pointed out that whatever the procedures were, it must be cheating the homeowner, in practice the homeowner must lose a lot more than the mere back taxes they owe. And I established that point solidly with evidence and math and you just claimed I was ignorant and drifted off.

You're just pitting yourself here.

*county by county. Some counties probably use the exact same procedure for foreclosures and tax lien sales...

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You struggled on the point of realizing that the root of "obdurism" is "obdurate". No matter how many words you throw at us, you still messed it up. It's OK, man. It really is.
And it's ok for you to not realize that the definitions of both words are so similar (your new word of the day!) that my answer was still correct. It's also ok for you to feel superior that because you know a rarely used English word and I didn't, that must mean you are smarter than me. Why, if you're smarter than me, that must mean you're right about everything and I'm not.

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Both involve an auction, right...
Thank you. You have redeemed yourself in my eyes. Please don't put me on your ignore list, the content you provide is truly entertaining at times.
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You're just pitting yourself here.
I believe this is the second time you've tried this comeback...and I also believe that if this were true, the other posters in this thread would be insulting his dickishness, not yours.
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I believe this is the second time you've tried this comeback...and I also believe that if this were true, the other posters in this thread would be insulting his dickishness, not yours.
Maybe all the other posters are too mentally lazy to click the link and read the thread and analyze it. Shrug. Humans are stupid, what can I say.
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Not for the message board-That one is PM only!
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Maybe all the other posters are too mentally lazy to click the link and read the thread and analyze it. Shrug. Humans are stupid, what can I say.
So this is what it is like to be on someone's "Ignore" list.

Interesting.
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And it's ok for you to not realize that the definitions of both words are so similar (your new word of the day!) that my answer was still correct. It's also ok for you to feel superior that because you know a rarely used English word and I didn't, that must mean you are smarter than me. Why, if you're smarter than me, that must mean you're right about everything and I'm not.
Are you self-aware enough to understand that your argument that "close enough is good enough" in regards to English is the same defense you use in regards to scientific principles? Are you knowledgable enough to realize "close enough" is *not* a scientific principle, even though you constantly argue as if it is?

Rule: You can't conduct science by using analogies!

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Lol. Well, let's note for the record that you brought up your dick size and how often you get to use it (or not). What did you expect?

And this is English, the biggest whore of a language there ever was. It is quite kosher to both steal and make up words, amirite?
It is not only kosher, it's perfectly cromulent and embiggens our language.
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It is not only kosher, it's perfectly cromulent and embiggens our language.
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Are you self-aware enough to understand that your argument that "close enough is good enough" in regards to English is the same defense you use in regards to scientific principles? Are you knowledgable enough to realize "close enough" is *not* a scientific principle, even though you constantly argue as if it is?

Rule: You can't conduct science by using analogies!
Well, actually...this is a well respected part of science...

Given how fundamental this is to science, and how if you even went to university at all this kind of thing is covered in the very first lectures (yes, a spherical cow is a perfectly valid approximation, it's ok to be 90% correct instead of 100%, all of science itself is about being 99.9...% correct, nothing is actually certain). So it appears that you should stick to your domain of expertise, which is apparently nitpicking and using uncommon english words.

Another poster pits themself.

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Maybe all the other posters are too mentally lazy to click the link and read the thread and analyze it. Shrug. Humans are stupid, what can I say.
It is amusing, your total lack of self-awareness.
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We can guess this question is a rhetorical question...
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The nice thing about being on his "Ignore" list is that I can say anything I want, and he can't contradict me even if he actually has a coherent point to make.
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Fer sure.
Fo sho, you mean. https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...?term=fo%20sho

Gosh, how ignorant can you be. /s

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Fo sho, you mean. https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...?term=fo%20sho

Gosh, how ignorant can you be. /s
You should really quit while you're a behind.
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Sam, did you go and put someone else on ignore? You did that after our talk?
Didn't we decide that wasn't a good thing to do?
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Fo sho, you mean. https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...?term=fo%20sho

Gosh, how ignorant can you be. /s
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/fran...alleygirl.html

I mean... stop this. You're just so bad at this. You don't know "obdurate" and you don't recognize Val speak, but you are arrogant enough to correct (wrongly) on both.

Just... stop. For your own good.

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Well, actually...this is a well respected part of science...

Given how fundamental this is to science, and how if you even went to university at all this kind of thing is covered in the very first lectures (yes, a spherical cow is a perfectly valid approximation, it's ok to be 90% correct instead of 100%, all of science itself is about being 99.9...% correct, nothing is actually certain). So it appears that you should stick to your domain of expertise, which is apparently nitpicking and using uncommon english words.

Another poster pits themself.
I would be completely set back by the scientific modeling argument if you actually modeled something scientific. Instead, you model ideas which are sciencefictiontific, which is hardly the same thing at all.

The Fermi problem is about approximations and mental/mathematical shortcuts which are useful, no doubt about it. But try designing a bridge via Fermi-like approximations, see where that gets you.

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I mean... stop this. You're just so bad at this. You don't know "obdurate" and you don't recognize Val speak, but you are arrogant enough to correct (wrongly) on both.

Just... stop. For your own good.
Holy shit! You're 16, right? Because this is what my kid does!
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Your kid quotes himself?
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Holy shit! You're 16, right? Because this is what my kid does!
That's my guess. It's an awkward age and but get through it with time.
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Are you kidding? Have you ever met my daughter? She thinks she's the star in a movie all about her... of course she quotes herself, almost as often as she likes to argue about things in which she knows very little.

(But, yeah, didn't do the multi-quote thing correctly. My bad.)

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I would be completely set back by the scientific modeling argument if you actually modeled something scientific. Instead, you model ideas which are sciencefictiontific, which is hardly the same thing at all.

The Fermi problem is about approximations and mental/mathematical shortcuts which are useful, no doubt about it. But try designing a bridge via Fermi-like approximations, see where that gets you.
If you apply these Fermi estimates...or very detailed ones...to problems like nanotechnology, it shows it's gonna work. If you do a Fermi estimate and it says a bridge is feasible, even if it's over a farther distance than ever before, you'd be a fucking moron if you said the bridge was "science fiction".

For instance, you can work out the mission requirements for a mission to Mars. Lots of details you might just estimate because you haven't spent billions of dollars engineering the exact optimal decelerator vehicle for the actual landing, or the actual closed loop life support systems. But you can pretty damn confidently say 'well, if we have somewhere between 60 billion and a trillion, we could probably get some astronaut boots to Mars'. You'd be a fucking moron if you called such a mission proposal 'science fiction'.

Well, other people have done these estimates for things like brain preservation and hard nanotechnology. Guess what, they fucking pass and we have overwhelming evidence, in the fact that your own thick skull contains a chunk of working nanotechnology, that you can do this eventually.

So no. You should stick to your ignorance. Unless you are more credible than, oh, Eric Drexler or other lights in the field, you should shut the fuck up.

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A mission proposal with a $940 billion variance is not a mission proposal.

Even your analogies fail on the specifics.

And if I do "shut the fuck up", well, that's one more time I'm getting laid, and you're not.

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I mean... stop this. You're just so bad at this. You don't know "obdurate" and you don't recognize Val speak, but you are arrogant enough to correct (wrongly) on both.

Just... stop. For your own good.
Like, totally. Barf me out! Gag me with a spoon!
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I mean, there's this total betch, SamuelA, and he, like, completely corrects people on stuff they are, you know, experts on. It's so gnarly reading his posts, i'm like gag me with a spoon. But then, you know, to be called an idiot by this guy is so totally grody to the max. And he's not even a Baldwin, just some guy who is so not cute. As if!
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Sam, did you go and put someone else on ignore? You did that after our talk?
Didn't we decide that wasn't a good thing to do?
Apparently his "Ignore" function does something ours can't. I am on "Ignore" in this thread, but he responds directly to a post I made in another:
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Well, it would have to be a country that has legalized drugs and recreational use. You'd protect it with armed security and keeping the actual drugs in a locked vault. Sure, 10-20 men with AR-15s aren't going to be able to stop pirates that show up in a destroyer, but it probably would be enough security if the boat were off the coast of Georgia or something.
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Sam, what follows is a serious suggestion ...

... Some years ago I stumbled on this blog. http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline...l-all-the-time

Turns out the guy is real famous in his field as the elder statesman of bloggers who've got something smart to say about a pretty deep topic. He's a medicinal chemist, a guy who searches for and perfects medicines. I've read every post of his for the last 8 years. Along the way I've learned a great deal about the big picture of chemistry, biochemistry, cellular biology and organism biology.

He has slowly taught me that our current understanding of cellular & organism-level biology is on a par with primitive tribes' understanding of physics. It's not dead wrong, but there's vast tracts of pure guesswork and areas where we can't tell first order effects from 4th order effects. As well as vast areas we don't even know exist.

What makes him magic is that beyond his PhD and his 30+ years in the industry doing cutting edge stuff there's a deep-seated humility and a total absence of boosterism and hucksterism. We know more than did the witch doctors baying at the Moon. But not that much more versus how deep this stuff really is. We've barely scratched the surface of understanding how any of this stuff really works.

... Dunning-Kruger is real. The greater one's expertise, the more they recognize the limitations to their knowledge and skill. Their awareness of those unknown unknowns grows ever larger. There is wisdom in the intellectual humility that flows from that understanding.
An excellent and thoughtful post as usual, LSLGuy (last paragraph bolding mine). I was going to respond to it when I saw it last night, but I was too tired. What I wanted to say at the time was that, as insightful and well-intentioned as your post is, you were unfortunately probably wasting your time, considering the subject to whom your observations were directed.

My prediction would have been that SamuelA would not only totally miss the point, but he would start arguing with you. And so it has proved. In the intervening hours that's exactly what happened. At least, I think he was arguing; perhaps someone could translate this into English:
You realize that what you are talking about there are terms where some of them nearly infinitely times harder than others.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...&postcount=157
This is, incidentally, the same post in which SamuelA succinctly summarizes artificial intelligence for us: "just big mathematical algorithms that explore a solution space". There you go. But I would expect no less from the same genius who also brilliantly summarized for us the architecture of the brain and explained for us how cognition and consciousness works, as I cited over here.

The point here, of course, is that although the greatest minds of our times struggle with understanding these things and pushing forward the bounds of discovery, SamuelA struggles with nothing. The point, in other words, is the one that Qadgop made here about Dunning-Kruger -- as you did, too -- and SamuelA's unique place on that curve.

I've had the privilege of knowing a number of world-class experts in their fields of research, and you're absolutely right about intellectual humility. They may be impatient with obvious fools and some are masters of sarcastic barbs, but they know the limitations of their own knowledge and in the face of it are often humble and even self-effacing. Yet when they do have something to say they're usually both insightful and correct. The bloviating moron who is the subject of our observations here is the antithesis of all of those things. He would argue with these people and tell them why they're wrong -- it would be, dontcha know, because the principles are really quite simple and they just don't get it. But SamuelA does. The only thing that might ever change that -- maybe -- is the passage of a great deal of time and the onset of maturity and, hopefully, some measure of actual competence in something.
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And it's ok for you to not realize that the definitions of both words are so similar (your new word of the day!) that my answer was still correct. It's also ok for you to feel superior that because you know a rarely used English word and I didn't, that must mean you are smarter than me. Why, if you're smarter than me, that must mean you're right about everything and I'm not.
"Obdurate" is not an obscure word. But even if it was, "tenet" certainly is not, as it's not only a common word but one with special significance in science and philosophy. You didn't know that one, either. And few would consider the expression "per se" to be obscure, even in everyday writing. You got that wrong, too. And of course, in all these cases you must insist that "my answer was still correct" and, most remarkably of all, "I'm using tenet correctly" despite hilariously thinking it was a homonym of "tenant"! Because, of course, you can never be wrong.

That you knew none of these things yet lay claim to genius is consistent with all your asinine techno-babble and is yet another testament to your full participation on the left-hand side of the Dunning-Kruger distribution.
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It is amusing, your total lack of self-awareness.
I wonder if Sammy has been checked for Asperger's.
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Sam, people don't like it when you curse out other people and drop f-bombs. They just don't like profanity. That's why I'm damn sure I never do any fucking shit like that. Maybe you should back off a tad with it.
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A mission proposal with a $940 billion variance is not a mission proposal.

Even your analogies fail on the specifics.

And if I do "shut the fuck up", well, that's one more time I'm getting laid, and you're not.
What's an error of magnitude or two between friends when you're on a mission to Mars?
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I'm hoping he comes back and tells me I used "variance" wrong.
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I'm sure he's fully qualified to do his own psych evaluation and diagnosis, TYVM.
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