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Old 06-14-2019, 05:58 PM
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Star Trek: Picard not testing positively, Kurtzman reportedly fired.


The upcoming CBS All Access series Star Trek: Picard, starring Patrick Stewart as Captain Jean-Luc Picard from Star Trek: The Next Generation, is reportedly scoring 75 to 80% negative in early test screenings. According to Bounding Into Comics, showrunner Alex Kurtzman has been fired and barred from the set.

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The rumor comes from Gary Buechler aka Nerdrotic. Buechler notes a Star Trek insider contacted him and told him, “Kurtzman has been fired. He is refusing to give up the title but there are 3 producers who have taken over as showrunners.”

The source adds, “He has been replaced. He is refusing to lose the title but there are three other producer who are exercising his functions. He is not even allowed on set. He has been Orci’ed.”

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Buechler notes that things behind the scenes have appeared to change as Netflix allegedly passed on the upcoming Star Trek: Picard series. Amazon Prime Video secured the global rights for the Star Trek: Picard series. Each episode will air within 24 hours on Amazon Prime following the U.S. premiere on CBS All Access.

However, Buechler’s insider notes the show is not screening well. His insider tells him the show has “75 to 80% negativity. The 20% who tested positive were people who labeled themselves Abrams fans like it.”
https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/...-are-horrible/
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Abrams fans like it?

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Well, just remember how badly Encounter at Farpoint sucked and try not to jump to early judgement.
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Well, just remember how badly Encounter at Farpoint sucked and try not to jump to early judgement.
I doubt even Q could save the show.
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Damn! I should have expected this, but I didn't.
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I'm a Trek fan, but this sounds like a poor idea to me. I'll watch an episode or 2, but I thik it'll be like watching a train wreck, more morbid curiosity than pleasure.
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Disappointing, but not unexpected. Star Trek has been fractured due franchising reasons, and can not be Star Trek, but must be somewhat off by design. They have to intentionally miss what Star Trek is.
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I was concerned this new show would be dark & depressing. That seems like the trend for Trek these days.

I want to see Trek like it was done in TNG. A show that focused on adventure and exploration.

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Old 06-15-2019, 07:32 AM
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I mean, maybe it's true? But that linked story is some bullshit.

Hell, at the end it asks if the rumor is 'too good to be true'. That's not exactly actually trying to report anything. It's one of those rumor mongering stories you run to get clicks and revenue when there's nothing else to run.

I know blogs aren't journalism but still.
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Old 06-15-2019, 08:11 AM
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Well, just remember how badly Encounter at Farpoint sucked and try not to jump to early judgement.
Encounter at Farpoint was better than about 95% of other things on TV at the time. It only looks shabby compared to what came later.
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I want to see Trek like it was done in TNG. A show that focused on adventure and exploration.
The Orville is oldschool TNG, positivity and all.

Many Trek alumni have guest starred (or even are regular characters)
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Orci’ed?
A reference to this guy, who eventually parted ways with Kurtzman, apparently over creative differences: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Roberto_Orci
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A reference to this guy, who eventually parted ways with Kurtzman, apparently over creative differences: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Roberto_Orci
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Did anyone see the trailer? I thought it didn't bode well for the series. All it did was pan over rows of grapes in a vineyard, then show a wooden box with "Chateau Picard" written on it. Yawn. I'll still watch every episode, though.
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I'm not surprised, given Kurtzman's record.

Trek needs to be run by someone who understands how Terry Pratchett felt about Hollywood.
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What's the point in firing the guy if they aren't fixing it? If something screens that badly, you do edits.

The main thing the show has to do to be good for me is remain faithful to the Picard character. Sure, it can have him in a different place in life, or fed up with the Federation after the destruction of Romulus. Things have to be different in the Prime timeline after that. It he should feel like the same character, that he really was the idealist we eaw in his youth, and could be every bit as great as he was in the past.

What I have been worried about is that he would be Picard in name only and be too dark and grim, rather than about a man regaining his optimism and an organization rebuilding, while dealing with a huge fallout.
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Encounter at Farpoint was better than about 95% of other things on TV at the time. It only looks shabby compared to what came later.
No, it wasn't. It was really, really poor. There was plenty on TV at the time that was much better. I almost didn't continue watching TNG because of that episode (and actually gave up for a couple episodes after that stupid one with Tasha fighting for her life with the death claw).
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Isn't Patrick a coproducer or producer on this new show?

No one understands TNG like him. I can't imagine him signing onto a project that isn't good. Picard means too much to Patrick. He doesn't want to be associated with a failure and have that be Picard's last moment.

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No, it wasn't. It was really, really poor. There was plenty on TV at the time that was much better. I almost didn't continue watching TNG because of that episode (and actually gave up for a couple episodes after that stupid one with Tasha fighting for her life with the death claw).
Every show had to have their gladiatorial episode in that era. I wouldn't be completely shocked if it wasn't the same writer simply retooling his script for different characters and universe. Babylon 5 had 'TKO' with a disgraced boxer fighting in the alien "Mutai" (no shit). ST:Voy had 'Tsunkatse', with Seven of Nine forced to fight as a gladiator for their survival. (Guest starring Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson)

Fuck, there's probably a Facts of Life gladiatorial episode.
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The Orville is oldschool TNG, positivity and all.

Many Trek alumni have guest starred (or even are regular characters)
Agreed, Seth Trek is an amazing series, especially the 2 part Kaylon arc “Identity”, it is the Orville's “Best of Both Worlds”
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Encounter at Farpoint was better than about 95% of other things on TV at the time. It only looks shabby compared to what came later.
Of all the first season episodes that sucked, this one sucked the hardest. Yeccch!
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... after that stupid one with Tasha fighting for her life with the death claw).
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Isn't Patrick a coproducer or producer on this new show?

No one understands TNG like him. I can't imagine him signing onto a project that isn't good. Picard means too much to Patrick. He doesn't want to be associated with a failure and have that be Picard's last moment.
You must have blocked Star Trek: Nemesis from your mind. That one sucked targ balls.
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You must have blocked Star Trek: Nemesis from your mind. That one sucked targ balls.
Was still better than the one with RubberFace McSalieri...
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Encounter at Farpoint was better than about 95% of other things on TV at the time. It only looks shabby compared to what came later.
Its shabbiness was apparent during the initial airing, as I personally remember.

Although I would have called it suckitude.
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Is Picard's incurable brain disease from the season finale still canon?
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Didn't you read the thread title? He tested not positively! He's cured!
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AKA "Planet of the Angry Negroes."
... As opposed to "Shiny, Happy Aryans."
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AKA "Planet of the Angry Negroes."
Well, you have to admit that using this theme saved on make-up prosthetics for the humanoid alien of the week for that episode.
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Didn't you read the thread title? He tested not positively! He's cured!
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Just going to reinforce, here, that four days after being posted there's no confirm - or even a denial - from Paramount or whomever is in charge, now. I haven't seen one other site pick it up. Certainly io9 would have run with it.
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I was clear in my OP that it was a rumor.
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I hope they bring back John de Lancie. Picard's ultimate nemesis. Q may even be the reason Picard left Star Fleet.

TNG ended with a story where Picard's inadvertent actions almost caused a disaster. Q may have revealed something else to him just as bad

It would be a great way to start the new series.

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Patrick Stewart's last contribution to Star Trek was deciding Nemesis needed a high speed car chase. Perhaps he is the one with Irumodic Syndrome.
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The upcoming CBS All Access series Star Trek: Picard, starring Patrick Stewart as Captain Jean-Luc Picard from Star Trek: The Next Generation, is reportedly scoring 75 to 80% negative in early test screenings. According to Bounding Into Comics, showrunner Alex Kurtzman has been fired and barred from the set.
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80% negative? Things don't look too good for Mon Capitaine
....this info comes from that site? ...I'll wait for a more reputable site to say something.
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No, it wasn't. It was really, really poor. There was plenty on TV at the time that was much better. I almost didn't continue watching TNG because of that episode (and actually gave up for a couple episodes after that stupid one with Tasha fighting for her life with the death claw).
I gave up on TNG before the first season was over. It really did suck donkeys. Fast-forward to the end of the series. They ran 3 fan favorites and I watched them all. I was surprised with how much better the series had become.
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What's it about anyway? I have a feeling that any Jean-Luc Picard series that doesn't have him in command of an Enterprise is going to suffer by comparison to TNG, even if Patrick Stewart's playing the same character.
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I gave up on TNG before the first season was over. It really did suck donkeys. Fast-forward to the end of the series. They ran 3 fan favorites and I watched them all. I was surprised with how much better the series had become.
That's because Riker grew a beard.

A beard can't help ST: Picard.
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Only three fan favorites? Where I was it was five: TBOBW I&II, Yesterday's Enterprise, Relics, Inner Light.
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Only three fan favorites? Where I was it was five: TBOBW I&II, Yesterday's Enterprise, Relics, Inner Light.
Fine picks, to which I would add "Ship in A Bottle," "Firstborn," "Power Play," "First Contact," "Devil's Due," "Parallels" and "All Good Things."
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That's because Riker grew a beard.

A beard can't help ST: Picard.
Well, it would make someone stolid.
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Only three fan favorites? Where I was it was five: TBOBW I&II, Yesterday's Enterprise, Relics, Inner Light.
Right you are, and they were all really, really good.
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sounds like this is the Star Trek V of TV shows
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Apparently, this was indeed a false rumor. Kurtzman has spoken out in a podcast about his plans for Star Trek: Picard and his plans for other Star Trek-related projects on CBS All Access.

https://deadline.com/2019/06/star-tr...st-1202634037/

I apologize for posting false information on the Dope and have asked for this thread to be closed.

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Your agonizer, Mister cochrane.
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Since it appears that there's no "there" here, I'll close this.
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That article makes it seem less like he was fired because the show is terrible and more the show isn't what it is because the dude is stretched thinner then Slenderman.
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