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Old 07-06-2019, 01:02 AM
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Comic book/movie fight pet peeve.


When fighting a bruiser who cant fly and has no long-range weaponry/energy projection:

STOP STOP STOP FUCKING MELEEING HIM WITH YOUR GODDAMN FLYERS.

See Thanos*...Doomsday...Hulk (though Hulk can jump...and even that shouldn't be near as useful as it is commonly portrayed)




*Movie Thanos. Pretty sure comic-book Thanos has used energy projection.
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Old 07-06-2019, 02:32 AM
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Every single comic book set-piece that involves people gathering on an open field and then running at each other to start the fight.
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Old 07-06-2019, 03:17 AM
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Every single comic book set-piece that involves people gathering on an open field and then running at each other to start the fight.
Basically any battle of any sort, not just comic book, in which both sides are running at each other. Just look at military history - in virtually every engagement, one side is attacking, the other side defending.
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Old 07-06-2019, 03:31 AM
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Heck, I'm annoyed by fights between wildly mismatched characters where the more powerful one has clearly been freebasing stupidity, hence uses a tiny fraction of his or her ability because otherwise they'd just kill the opponent outright.

Superman v. Batman
Iron Man v. Captain America and Winter Soldier
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More of a mook peeve than a hero peeve, but : if you've shot the guy/girl and it hasn't done anything, and they smile and keep advancing (or in the case of Deadpool, start babbling about Bea Arthur and chimmichanga)... how about stop shooting and try something else instead, like high explosives or running the fuck away ?

But nope. Surely the next bullet will work !
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Old 07-06-2019, 04:29 AM
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Basically any battle of any sort, not just comic book, in which both sides are running at each other. Just look at military history - in virtually every engagement, one side is attacking, the other side defending.
D-Day was primarily fought by the Germans immediately rushing to the beaches and engaging the Allies via hand-to-hand directly in the surf.
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D-Day was primarily fought by the Germans immediately rushing to the beaches and engaging the Allies via hand-to-hand directly in the surf.
Really? I was of the impression that the Germans were mostly firing from entrenched positions.

I'm not talking about running to reinforce a defensive position, or running into an existing melee. I mean two forces running towards each other before fighting starts.

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Resolving everything with a fight scene. They are the most boring part of a movie (especially CGI fight scenes)
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Old 07-06-2019, 08:47 AM
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Resolving everything with a fight scene. They are the most boring part of a movie (especially CGI fight scenes)
Yeah, I love comic books and the movies, but I've been known to say "Annnd, fight scene. Yawn. Call me when it's over." And I roll my eyes and go get something to drink.
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Really? I was of the impression that the Germans were mostly firing from entrenched positions.
That's a, I say that's a joke, son.
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Old 07-06-2019, 11:13 AM
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My peeve is the fast cut fight scenes where you have absolutely no idea what's going on. I first recall this in an early fight in the first Mr. Mom Batman movie (that was also dark, with handheld shaky cam) . I just had to assume Bats was hitting more than being hit, but it was a flurry of cape swishes and grunts.

The Bourne movies were prone to this as well (director was great with handheld camera, which was fine when following Matt Damon around European cities, but made for confusing fights).
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Old 07-06-2019, 02:48 PM
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More of a mook peeve than a hero peeve, but : if you've shot the guy/girl and it hasn't done anything, and they smile and keep advancing (or in the case of Deadpool, start babbling about Bea Arthur and chimmichanga)... how about stop shooting and try something else instead, like high explosives or running the fuck away ?

But nope. Surely the next bullet will work !
The first bullet should hit the torso, the second bullet should hit the head. Of course I understand why they don't, but still...
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I am sick and tired of long protracted battle between Protags and Antags that always inevitably culminates in a one-on-one confrontation between Badass Protag and Badass Antag that lasts and lasts and lasts. I wanna see...

• Badadd Antag gets offed by Junior Lieutenant Protag. Big faceoff battle ends up being between Badass Protag and Evil Minion of the Antags; or

• Badass Protag faces off with Badass Antag; cue the big battle-scene music. Protag knocks Badass Antag out with one clean shot in the first seven seconds; or

• Badass Antag is fragged by Evil Minion just as faceoff with Badass Protag is about to begin.

Also, if you're gonna hit someone with a shot that has previously wiped opponents out permanently, don't have someone shrug it completely off later; don't have fighters who are completely unaffected by whatever is done to them. Can we at least see some limping and favoring of injured parts and reduced effectiveness?
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Old 07-06-2019, 04:32 PM
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Every single comic book set-piece that involves people gathering on an open field and then running at each other to start the fight.
In Iron Man 2 they argue about who should take the high ground so they end up starting the fight from the kill box.

However, everyone in that fight could fly.
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I am sick and tired of long protracted battle between Protags and Antags that always inevitably culminates in a one-on-one confrontation between Badass Protag and Badass Antag that lasts and lasts and lasts...
Lampshaded in Firefly, where Mal and Big Bad Guy face off. The rest of the crew show up ready to fight, but Zoe says "No, this is something the Captain has to do himself."

Mal:"The heck with the Captain doing it himself! SHOOT HIM!"

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While the sliding power levels is one pet peeve, an even bigger one that has been done to death is beat the big bad and all the little bads stop. Avengers, Avengers 2 (where it made sense at least), and I'll avoid naming more for late watchers. Time to create a new trope.
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Old 07-06-2019, 07:04 PM
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Lampshaded in Firefly, where Mal and Big Bad Guy face off. The rest of the crew show up ready to fight, but Zoe says "No, this is something the Captain has to do himself."

Mal:"The heck with the Captain doing it himself! SHOOT HIM!"
[Pedant mode] [The rescue team comes upon Mal struggling with his torturer; ZoŽ stops the others from interfering]
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Yeah, I love comic books and the movies, but I've been known to say "Annnd, fight scene. Yawn. Call me when it's over." And I roll my eyes and go get something to drink.
I totally agree with this. Fight scenes are my chance to use the restroom.
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Those fight scenes could be amazingly interesting if the writers and director had three brain cells between them. But no, they have to nerf the power set of everybody and think in the most untactical manner possible.
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Peeve: people taking savage beatings and then somehow pulling up hidden reservoirs of strength to come back and win the fight. That's why I loved it in A Fistful of Dollars when the Stranger is beaten nearly to death, he needs days or weeks of convalescence before he's fit to take on the bad guys again.
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Thanks for the Firefly corrections. I almost put a DVD in to check the dialog before the edit window was done, then I thought "Ok, I'll just add "paraphrased from five years ago."
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Two opponents both impervious to blunt force trauma fighting each other with blunt force trauma. What are they supposedly thinking? ďMaybe if I hit him reaaaally hard this time something different might happen.Ē
Itís a lot like watching a pillow fight.
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This is why I never read superhero comics. They always just ended up with two costumed people punching each other in the sky.
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While the sliding power levels is one pet peeve, an even bigger one that has been done to death is beat the big bad and all the little bads stop. Avengers, Avengers 2 (where it made sense at least), and I'll avoid naming more for late watchers. Time to create a new trope.

Load-bearing villains. It worked for grandpa Tolkien, I don't see no good reason it shouldn't work 100 years down the line !


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Peeve: people taking savage beatings and then somehow pulling up hidden reservoirs of strength to come back and win the fight. That's why I loved it in A Fistful of Dollars when the Stranger is beaten nearly to death, he needs days or weeks of convalescence before he's fit to take on the bad guys again.

I can tolerate heroes taking shots to the face and only getting angry rather than concussed. They're action heroes, the brain is not a vital organ for them.

It's the high speed tumblecrashes into stuff that take me right out. Like "hero is tossed out of a vehicle/punched into a wall so goddamn hard they bounce a couple of times, then dust themselves and soldier on with perhaps a minor cosmetic scrape". Like, no, dude. Your skeleton is more jell-o than calcium at this point. You've got shards of pelvis embedded in your upper lungs. Your internal organs are oozing out your ears, eyes and asshole. Your arms ripped out of their sockets when you grabbed than ledge mid-fall. That guy punched through solid concrete three cuts ago, the force of the gutpunch that sent you flying back means you're definitely in seven kinds of septic shocks right now from all the liquid shit oozing out of your destroyed lower intestine. And so on.
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Two opponents both impervious to blunt force trauma fighting each other with blunt force trauma. What are they supposedly thinking? ďMaybe if I hit him reaaaally hard this time something different might happen.Ē
Itís a lot like watching a pillow fight.

The first X-man movie was about this, and then Origins : Wolverine compounded the idiocy. I mean in X-man you could handwave it by assuming Wolverine and Sabertooth didn't know each other's powers when they tussled. But Origins nixes that from the intro : the hero & villain both regenerate to the point of being essentially immortal. They both know this. They have both been taking advantage of this fact to survive the endless wars they participated in together through history (presumably out of boredom ?).


They still claw at each other again, and again, and again throughout the flick. I guess it still must hurt some, and it's probably still cathartic to punch a guy you hate right in the dick, but still...
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They still claw at each other again, and again, and again throughout the flick. I guess it still must hurt some, and it's probably still cathartic to punch a guy you hate right in the dick, but still...
I think both characters are ALL about the cathartic dick-punching
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More of a mook peeve than a hero peeve, but : if you've shot the guy/girl and it hasn't done anything, and they smile and keep advancing (or in the case of Deadpool, start babbling about Bea Arthur and chimmichanga)... how about stop shooting and try something else instead, like high explosives or running the fuck away ?

But nope. Surely the next bullet will work !
And when you're out of bullets, throw the gun!
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• Badass Protag faces off with Badass Antag; cue the big battle-scene music. Protag knocks Badass Antag out with one clean shot in the first seven seconds;
You mean like this?

Personally, I'd like to see more asymmetric fights. OK, so you've got characters with similar abilities on both teams, but that doesn't mean that your big musclebound bruiser has to go up against their big musclebound bruiser, and your flying long-range energy blaster has to go up against their flying long-range energy blaster, and your telepath up against their telepath, and your army of mooks against their army of mooks, and so on. Figure out which of your guys are more effective against which of their guys, and try to maneuver into those fights.
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The fight at the end of Ford Fairlane went the way it should have. Ford challenges Smiley to a "mano-a-mano" fight, with no knives or guns or anything. Smiley agrees, puts down his knife and squares up, laughing, getting ready for fists. Ford then shoots him with his concealed forearm gun. And then mocks him for being stupid.

Great movie!
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The fight at the end of Ford Fairlane went the way it should have. Ford challenges Smiley to a "mano-a-mano" fight, with no knives or guns or anything. Smiley agrees, puts down his knife and squares up, laughing, getting ready for fists. Ford then shoots him with his concealed forearm gun. And then mocks him for being stupid.

Great movie!
What about Butch Cassidy?
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What about Butch Cassidy?
I guess that too

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The fight at the end of Ford Fairlane went the way it should have. Ford challenges Smiley to a "mano-a-mano" fight, with no knives or guns or anything. Smiley agrees, puts down his knife and squares up, laughing, getting ready for fists. Ford then shoots him with his concealed forearm gun. And then mocks him for being stupid.

Great movie!
Somewhat similar: there's a scene in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang where Robert Downey Jr's perennial loser of a character has just seen one of the baddies murder a woman, and has managed to get a hold of the guy's gun when he's not looking. The guy sees Downey, and starts in with the standard, "You're not gonna shoot me. You're not the kind of guy who just shoots people," movie cliche.

He gets about a sentence into it before Downey empties the gun into his chest.
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Somewhat similar: there's a scene in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang where Robert Downey Jr's perennial loser of a character has just seen one of the baddies murder a woman, and has managed to get a hold of the guy's gun when he's not looking. The guy sees Downey, and starts in with the standard, "You're not gonna shoot me. You're not the kind of guy who just shoots people," movie cliche.

He gets about a sentence into it before Downey empties the gun into his chest.
I love scenes like that. Makes the movie more "real" or something.
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There's a similar scene in the Franco-Belgian comic XIII. At one point the hero, battle rifle in hand, kicks open a door only to find himself staring into the barrel of the Big Bad's handgun. A Mexican stand-off ensues, at which point the hero offers to macho it out instead. The Big Bad agrees and they both drop their guns, then Big Bad smirks and calls XIII a naive idiot as he goes for the second gun he's got tucked in his back... only to catch a thrown knife in the heart. IOW a rare case of both parties trying to Indiana Jones the other at the same time
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You mean like this?

Personally, I'd like to see more asymmetric fights. OK, so you've got characters with similar abilities on both teams, but that doesn't mean that your big musclebound bruiser has to go up against their big musclebound bruiser, and your flying long-range energy blaster has to go up against their flying long-range energy blaster, and your telepath up against their telepath, and your army of mooks against their army of mooks, and so on. Figure out which of your guys are more effective against which of their guys, and try to maneuver into those fights.
Yes, and again yes.
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