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Ingrid Bergman was the loveliest actress of Old Hollywood.


I mean, seriously.

Prove me wrong. With pictures.
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Wasn't just the B&W effect either....

... But the B&W shots are incredible.
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Her best feature was one you can't really see in those photos, her overbite. In fact that line in Casablanca about what she was doing 10 years ago, "I was having my teeth straightened" always makes me chuckle a bit.
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It's more pronounced in her younger shots. Would not be surprised if she had training to hide it.
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Ingrid Bergman was very cute, and was flawlessly cast as the spineless, indecisive Ilsa Lund Laszlo.

But if you want the loveliest actress of Old Hollywood, look no further than Greta Garbo.

"What, when drunk, one sees in other women, one sees in Garbo sober." -- Kenneth Tynan
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I agree that Ms. Bergman was among the most lovely, and I can’t find an image of anyone MORE lovely than she was, but there might be a few whom were AS lovely as she was on their best days. I always believed Linda Darnell was adorable as the underage niece in THE MARK OF ZORRO.

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...?adppopup=true

In addition, I never thought Vivian Leigh was hard to look at:

https://www.allposters.com/-sp/Vivie...2&sOrigID=5935

I also understand Kate Hepburn was easy on the eyes when she was younger (sorry, no image), and that reminds me that the other actress named Hepburn, Audrey was a looker too. (Although she might have been after ‘old Hollywood’ but I am pretty old guy and I remember her from movies on the late, late show which were rarely current. I do seem to recall her being cast in romantic leads after the others were being cast as mothers or bosses but that might be a faulty memory.)
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Ingrid has always had my vote.

Others you can call beautiful, cute, sexy, glamorous, whatever, but watching her come down the stairs in Gaslight in that white dress... she's incandescent.
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Ingrid Bergman was very cute, and was flawlessly cast as the spineless, indecisive Ilsa Lund Laszlo.

But if you want the loveliest actress of Old Hollywood, look no further than Greta Garbo.

"What, when drunk, one sees in other women, one sees in Garbo sober." -- Kenneth Tynan
Now I don’t believe I have ever seen a Greta Garbo movie, and perhaps there is an essence I am missing, but I have never seen a single still photograph of Garbo that makes me think she was any more than average looking. In addition, every shot of her I can recall seeing looks like she is actively trying to look seductive or attractive. Perhaps she had a very expressive face that does not translate well into stills. Also, it was the style of the time -- and the photos I linked to above show women fully made-up, but Garbo always looks overdone in that regard to me.
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I am not going argue against Ingrid...but Audrey Hepburn
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I always thought that Hedy Lamarr topped the list of old Hollywood beauties.

BTW, it only recently struck me how similar Hedy Lamarr and a young Lucille Ball look. Does anyone else see it?
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I always thought that Hedy Lamarr topped the list of old Hollywood beauties.

BTW, it only recently struck me how similar Hedy Lamarr and a young Lucille Ball look. Does anyone else see it?
Young Lucy didn't have the personality or voice or body to go with that look, which I think is why she didn't stay with it long.
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Ingrid Bergman was a very 'modern' actress in many ways. (she supposedly boinked every leading man and director she came across.) . But she was as different from simpering ladies of the screen of the time as could be - bold, brash, fresh, and very modern in looks and acting ability. A strong, beautiful woman.

Greta Garbo was in a class of her own, a classic, iconic ageless beauty. She didn't even CARE for her career much and showed up to work filmed in gowns, wearing grubby old bedroom slippers on her feet. I am pleased she retired early before descending into 'character actress'.

She and Marilyn Monroe, something about them, the camera captured ...something. They were transformed. Not just makeup or wardrobe, I think, that was a big part, but something more. (it's said without makeup, in everyday clothing, no one would even recognize them on the street.)

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Another vote for Hedy Lamarr
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I think the thing with Ingrid which stands out for me is that her face doesn't reference the troubled times of the 1930s-1950s (1940s if you're an American) - there is no sharpness to her features ala Leigh and Garbo, far more softness is expressed by Bergman.

But not characterless, of course not. There's a... sadness, a wistfulness... about her expression which I find appealing, as well as the simple fact that I prefer brunettes.

Anyway, I think she's just devastatingly lovely and is possibly the finest looking woman to grace this planet.

But, again... prove me wrong, with pics.

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I believe cigarettes lit themselves in the presence of Jane Greer.
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Ingrid Bergman was the loveliest actress of Old Hollywood.


Woody Guthrie, here channeled by Billy Bragg and Wilco, thought just the same.
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Woody Guthrie, here channeled by Billy Bragg and Wilco, thought just the same.
And Carla Bley thought enough of Ida Lupino to name check her in an original number.... (and I like Ida too!)
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(For purposes of this thread, I'll define "old Hollywood" as being pre-1960.)
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I'll put in a vote for Greer Garson.
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Gene Tierney was very beautiful.
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How could I have forgotten Grace Kelly?
The most superb blonde woman to ever occur on this planet! Even in still photographs she seems to be moving, conveying humor or warmth or suspicion or more subtle emotions depending upon what part of her lovely face you focus upon. She was stunning from across a field, and the closer she came to you the more beautiful she became. (I think when I was younger I could hear angels sing whenever I caught a glimpse of her visage.)
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(For purposes of this thread, I'll define "old Hollywood" as being pre-1960.)
Please pardon me for being so pedantic, but here you mean had leading rolls before 1960 rather than was born in or before 1960 correct? Actresses born around that time do not begin to represent classic artists of the silver screen.

For example many people find Ali MacGraw pretty (and she was), but even though she was born in 1939 (wow! She was only three years younger than my mother! I would have guessed she was at least fifteen years younger than actual), she was not a contemporary of anyone we have discussed so far. IMDb lists her first acting role as 1968 and her first credited role as 1969. Even Katharine Ross who was born in 1940 had roles before 1960 but was of a different era than the women we have been discussing.

So may we agree to any actress having a role as a romantic lead before 1960 as “old Hollywood”? Or did you mean born before 1960?
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I believe cigarettes lit themselves in the presence of Jane Greer.
This woman is certainly not hard to look at!
I would have said I was not familiar with her work, but I know I made a point of watching OUT OF THE PAST when it was pointed out that the 80’s hit AGAINST ALL ODDS was a remake. For some reason I believed the female lead in that picture was Jane Powell whom I was aware of from SEVEN BRIDES FOR SEVEN BROTHERS. In any case Jane Greer possessed simmering good looks.
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Roles. Career peaks. There will be people who straddle (Elizabeth Taylor) the line, but I'm a forgiving OP who won't parse things that closely.

(Somebody feel free to start a post-1959 thread...)
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As a hetero female, I'm not sure I get a vote but I'd agree with the OP regardless. The only other woman that comes close as far as natural beauty is Grace Kelly but Ingrid is not just beautiful, she's less "made up" and has a far more interesting face than any of the others posted. She's my favorite actress of that time- I loved her in Notorious (admittedly not a fan of Casablanca, Notorious is so much better).
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I’ve never seen the attraction of Ingrid Bergman. “Face like a frying pan” is the phrase that crosses my mind.

My taste runs more to the earlier gals, like Lillian Gish and Pola Negri.

http://motherlode.tv/film/lilliangish.html

http://www.polanegri.com/index.html

As far as the talkies go, I agree with the aforementioned coronations of Greta Garbo and Hedy Lamarr.
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Oh, and Ava Gardner, of course! Has she been mentioned yet?

When Ava walked through the Paramount lot, filled with the most beautiful women in Southern California, she stilled turned everyone’s head.

https://www.art.com/products/p488702...-b-w-photo.htm

Referring to that photo, I don’t think anyone would kick 1946 Burt Lancaster out of their bed, either.
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And to stop this thread being White-Chickapalooza, here’s the great Dorothy Dandridge.

http://www.myblackhistory.net/Dorothy_Dandridge.htm
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There were a lot of gorgeous actresses, but this is the first I thought of.
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Is there a minimum date? Because Louise Brooks...
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The peerless Rita (also in colorized version!)

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I always thought Ingrid Bergman's nose verged on that Swedish/German piggy look. Her daughter, Isabella, to me is much better looking, and I like her dark coloring better. Ingrid also played a lot of soppy parts that made her even more off-putting.
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Joan Crawford, before her eyebrows took over.
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Another vote for Hedy Lamarr
What? I can't imagine what you guys see in...

Oh. Hedy. Never mind.

Another vote for Grace Kelly. Her entrance in Rear Window gets me every time.

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Beautiful no doubt, but to me she always seemed made of plastic. I didn't care much for her acting ability (or think she had much of it.) But that's just me.

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For a shorter time, I think, than many of the others. Her overbite was a bit too much, and she didn't wear well. In Black Widow, only ten years after Laura, she was completely forgettable (in a supporting role too).

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I give you Dorothy Dandridge, she was breathtaking. It's too bad we didn't get to see her in more films.
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I have a hard time finding any of the women with those plucked penciled in eyebrows attractive. Unfortunate fashion choice and fairly ubiquitous back then.
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The aforementioned Gene Tierney and Rita Hayworth. I'll add Myrna Loy
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I have a hard time finding any of the women with those plucked penciled in eyebrows attractive. Unfortunate fashion choice and fairly ubiquitous back then.
Back them?

That's still a hugely unattractive and all-too-common fashion choice.
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The aforementioned Gene Tierney and Rita Hayworth. I'll add Myrna Loy
When Myrna Loy was 16, around 1920, she modeled for the semi-nude statue outside Venice High School. She had...quite the figure, even at that young age.

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I give you Dorothy Dandridge, she was breathtaking. It's too bad we didn't get to see her in more films.
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I always thought Ingrid Bergman's nose verged on that Swedish/German piggy look. Her daughter, Isabella, to me is much better looking, and I like her dark coloring better. Ingrid also played a lot of soppy parts that made her even more off-putting.
I disagree with the point here (find the mother more attractive than the daughter), but Isabella said the most charming thing I ever heard: "My mother was beautiful and my father was brilliant . . . and I have been blessed with my mother's brains and my father's looks." I was just getting ready to loathe her as stuck up when her meaning broke through my slow moving mind and I fell for her hard! Perhaps not an elite in the pantheon of beautiful women from Hollywood, but a lovely woman who is funny and charming -- I would have married her on the spot! (And I like her dark complexion too.)
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