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I read in the newspaper that a girl's softball field sucked & wasn't as good as the boy's field. How much do boys play more than girls? A lot.
Uhm ... cite? I know of no reason why girls can't be as physically active as guys.

And if they are equally active, but the girls are getting shafted in terms of maintenance and care, then they are being treated unfairly and should definitely go get some justice.

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To give you a better perspective on this, consider illegal immigrants. You don't want those Mexicans coming over, stealing your jobs, eating your food, taking what you, as an American, have been not only priviledged to, have have guaranteed rights are entitled to. And even to some still, if they aren't illegal immigrants and just plain Mexicans, they should be allowed to bring society and the quality of life down in the USA.
Does someone have a translation for this? Or should I dismiss it as the usual anti-Hispanic balderdash?
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What's the point?


I have been looking for a forum to discuss this topic forever.
First things first...I am about as anti racist as one can be. I don't care about race, color, creed, nationality etc. We are all HUMAN!

What constantly does get my panties in a bunch is the never ending attempts from American born and raised black people to purposely segregate themselves from everyone else. BET has been around a long time, and it is what it is. I choose not to watch because I disagree with segretation in all forms.

Now you might be thinking to yourself, it's just one tv channel, no big deal, but you would be wrong.
It's so much more, that there isn't enough room to tell you all about it, so I'm gonna sum it up for you and you can research for yourself.

I don't understand why people protested....and I'm talking hard core protesting, like getting arrested protesting to end segregation. No more signs saying "whites only" or "blacks must use bathroom out back" "no seating for blacks" Etc. Etc. Etc. Blacks fought hard to end this stupidity and WON!! Yes, they changed America!! For the better. When black people think about their ancestors, that is what should come to mind, and they should be proud! They should not be talking about slavery. I bet not one black man or woman alive today was ever a slave to anyone. I'm German and Jewish from both sides of my family but I dont constantly blame my heritage for the Holocaust. It happened, I didn't have any more control over what happened than today's black people had or suffered from slavery. It's history and should never be forgotten, but don't build your life around it. That's why your ancestors fought for, so you wouldn't have to.
Let me get to my point...

Everywhere I look, I find black people reverting back to segretation. I see it with BET, I see it in Magazines. I see it in music, it's everywhere. Don't believe me?? Search for "magazines for black people." I'll post a short list for you, including black tv channels. Even Valentines day is now apparently for whites only because there is a Black Love Day. Feb. 13th. Here's more to think about.
Essence magazine
Ebony magazine
Brown sugar show
BET TV
Black history month
BLM
Black love day Feb 13th
Juneteenth
Upscale magazine
Sister 2 sister magazine
Jet magazine
Black men magazine
Shrlereese magazine
Monarch magazine
Harlem world Magazine
African American golfers digest
Heart and soul magazine
Homes of color magazine
African Americans on wheels magazine
American legacy magazine
Black bride and groom magazine
Black collegian magazine
Black family digest
Black issues book review magazine
Diversity Inc magazine
Black woman
African woman magazine
Spell magazine

Bounce TV
Centric tv.com
TV one
Africa channel
Aspire TV
BLACK PEOPLE MEET

Do you know what would happen if someone came out with "White Family Digest" or "White Men Magazine" Or "White People Meet".
I do....all hell would break loose and whites would be called racists and trying to bring back segregation.
Why do blacks try so hard to undo what your ancestors fought so hard against? I understand you are proud of your heritage. ..I get it, I really do. But where is the line between being proud and being racist? Racism works both ways. When this ideology of promoting your race backfires, then what?? What's so terrible with just being HUMAN?
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First things first...I am about as anti racist as one can be. ...
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Everywhere I look, I find black people reverting back to segretation. I see it with BET, I see it in Magazines. I see it in music, it's everywhere. Don't believe me?? Search for "magazines for black people." I'll post a short list for you, including black tv channels. Even Valentines day is now apparently for whites only because there is a Black Love Day. Feb. 13th. Here's more to think about....
So you missed the primer in school on targeted marketing? Or [the term escapes me but it is based on using an existing well known event or idea and piggy-backing atop it.]
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Everywhere I look, I find black people reverting back to segretation. I see it with BET, I see it in Magazines. I see it in music, it's everywhere. Don't believe me?? Search for "magazines for black people." I'll post a short list for you, including black tv channels. Even Valentines day is now apparently for whites only because there is a Black Love Day. Feb. 13th. Here's more to think about.
Essence magazine

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BLACK PEOPLE MEET

Racism works both ways. When this ideology of promoting your race backfires, then what?? What's so terrible with just being HUMAN?
My advice to you is to spend a month eschewing all mainstream media and only consuming the media in the long list you just mentioned. Don't worry they don't arrest you if a white person buys a copy of Ebony. This will serve two purposes. First you might actually learn something about the black experience that will help you understand why saying "just get over it" with regard to the generational crimes against African Americans is not as simple as you might think. Secondly, it will give you a feel about the average black person feels when the only options they have is one that doesn't match their culture. You might get the feeling that wouldn't it be nice for once to read articles about things that match your personal experience. And so you would realize how black people felt before all the things on that long list existed.
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What's so terrible with just being HUMAN?
Nothing, until other humans decide they won't treat you as human.
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I have been looking for a forum to discuss this topic forever.
First things first...I am about as anti racist as one can be. I don't care about race, color, creed, nationality etc. We are all HUMAN!
I am afraid that the rest of your post seems to contradict this statement.

However, let us look at the overall situation.

Nearly all the media outlets on your list were created for the purpose of providing people who had been excluded from other mainstream media an opportunity to get their ideas (and ads) out to the public. Your typical media boss is looking to make money. A great many ideas are nice ideas, but will not attract an audience. How many white women will spend the time watching a show on dress or make-up that addresses issues black women have with the fashion industry or beauty products? A national show addressing everyone would consider a niche show to be a good way to lose money. Why would a national network spend the money to finance a niche show that would be clobbered in the ratings? On the other hand, a specialty network or magazine, with a smaller audience, could broadcast or publish articles for lower cost and reap the returns of a dedicated audience.
Similarly, if a person or company has a product that manages black hair styles or beards, why would you want to spend all the high dollars to advertise on a national outlet where much of the audience would be totally uninterested when, for lass money, you could buy advertising on a smaller outfit with a target demographic that is more in tune with your product? ,
By the way: B.E.T. has been owned by Viacom for several years, making less money per episode, but spending far less per episode, so that their profit is sustainable. (When B.E.T. first began broadcasting, it was the best place on cable to find old Westerns, Comedies, and Police dramas. They picked up and broadcast the shows cheaply, then made a profit.)

If B.E.T. or the magazines on your list made a practice of discriminating against non-black people in their hiring, you might have a point, but if you are accusing Viacom of pro-black racism, you are not going to persuade many people to join your campaign.

To recap: if I have a product to address skin conditions that primarily affect black people or cultural situations that are going to primarily affect black people, where should I advertise or publish? At a limited number of minutes a day ot pages a month, it would be hard to get into a national outlet. (And the cost might be prohibitive.) However, going to a media outlet or publication that narrowcasts my message could be cheaper and easier to find.

There are a number of Latino/Hispanic outlets in the U.S., today. There are still Jewish oriented outlets. There are German-American, French-American, Irish-American, etc. magazines. (They tend to be too small to move into television.)

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What constantly does get my panties in a bunch is the never ending attempts from American born and raised black people to purposely segregate themselves from everyone else. BET has been around a long time, and it is what it is. I choose not to watch because I disagree with segregation in all forms.
And in what sort of segregation are they engaged? They have white workers. They broadcast shows with white actors. They are owned by Viacom (which also owns Hispanic outlets.)
It is hard to believe that you refuse to watch Bonanza simply because it is carried by B.E.T.
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Black or minority centric media doesnít bother me much. Itís not as if there is a practical limit to how many magazines can be printed. Segregated housing and graduation ceremonies I think is a step backwards though.
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We already have White Entertainment Television, it's every damn channel other than Black Entertainment Television.
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We already have White Entertainment Television, it's every damn channel other than Black Entertainment Television.
This was explained thoroughly when the thread was started some 17 years ago. It's clear that WitchiePoo either can't grasp this reality or won't bother to read what anyone else has to say.
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We already have White Entertainment Television, it's every damn channel other than Black Entertainment Television.
Well, mostlly just Nickelodeon.
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I am about as anti racist as one can be. I don't care about race, color, creed, nationality etc. We are all HUMAN!
The utter lack of self-awareness by American whites who feel themselves persecuted for their whiteness would be amusing ...

... if they weren't the direct source of Trumpism and so much of today's political stupidity.
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I am re-reading Freakonomics, and one of the things the author mentions is the lack of overlap between TV shows that are popular with black people and those that are popular with white people. IIRC Monday Night Football was the only show that was Top Ten for both groups.

Which means, I guess, that it is going to be hard to find programming that doesn't "segregate" in some sense - what appeals to both groups is fairly rare, for whatever reason.

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Just to muddy the waters a bit -- do any of those who object to BET, Ebony magazine, and other media outlets with a black target audience also object to WE TV (no, the W isn't for White, it's for Women) or Vogue magazine or other media outlets that target a female audience?

I thought not.

Most understand that life experiences are different for men and women and that each gender tends to like programming that is somewhat different than that targeted to the other gender. That's not to say that you can't enjoy something targeted to the other gender.

Why object to a media outlet targeted to people with an ethnic background that's different from your own?
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LOL, it only took you 17 years to find this one.
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My only issue is that I thought it was improper stereotyping to say that "blacks" liked certain things as a group.

AFAIK, blacks have a diverse area of interests and may watch sports, documentaries, game shows, comedies, drama, or porn...just like white people.

To say that this programming is what blacks like seems little different from having a section in the grocery store devoted to blacks where watermelon, collard greens and fried chicken are kept.
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LOL, it only took you 17 years to find this one.
Wonder how long it will take her to find it again.
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