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I thought you were buying an existing store? But you're changing locations, names and getting new inventory?
Indeed, that was the plan. But the owner is insisting on at least half-a-million for it and my evaluation - with my CPA and attorney - made it about $125-$150,000.

So we determined to open up in the same general area with updated interiors and inventory. Looks like initial inventory will cost me about $40-50K.

I've got the inventory, staff and marketing lined up. We're just looking at specific locations now and trying to get landlords to throw in build-out money.
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Sadly, like "Throne of Games", you'd run the risk of a massive media company suing your pants off, which is a pity because "Throne of Games" is an awesome name.
I'm not clear on whether anyone knows this or not, but both "Throne of Games" and "Nerdvana" were used on the TBS reality show King of the Nerds. Whether that would cause trademark difficulties or not, I don't know.
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FWIW, I stole it from Big Bang Theory, specifically the episode in which Leonard decides to sell off all his collectibles, "The Nerdvana Annihilation" (S01E14).
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I'm not clear on whether anyone knows this or not, but both "Throne of Games" and "Nerdvana" were used on the TBS reality show King of the Nerds. Whether that would cause trademark difficulties or not, I don't know.
I doubt that using a fictitious game store name mentioned in a TV show would cause trademark issues, but naming your store after a real TV show and book series that's immensely popular and valuable sure will.
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What about "One eight seven seven games 4 kids" ?
Oh you bastard.

Here are some more suggestions:

Comics, Games and Art 'R' Us

There Is Nothing Like a Game

Buy Our Comics, Games and Art, You Bastards

Play the Player

Diversions and Pastimes

Perfectly Normal Things For Adults To Enjoy, No They're Not Just For Kids, Yes They Are, Hey Shut Up
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Strange Games. A reference to the WarGames. "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?"

Blurred Edges. A reference to Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations. "The concept 'game' has no clear definition. One might say that the concept 'game' is a concept with blurred edges.—But is a blurred concept a concept at all?—Is an indistinct photograph a picture of a person at all? Is it even always an advantage to replace an indistinct picture by a sharp one? Isn't the indistinct one often exactly what we need?"
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I think you need to consider that you need to use references aimed at a younger audience, not 80s references and such. So maybe a name like Sick Bae Clap Back. Those are things kids today say, right?
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Strange Games. A reference to the WarGames. "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?"
Or Stranger Games, which also brings in the Stranger Things crowd. Though you still run the risk of someone trumping you by opening up Strangest Things down the street.
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What am I offered, Karen? I'll take bids!
I offer my old Weber kettle grill, and a leftover Easter bunny treat box, which I will fill with Rolos (8 Rolos can fit inside). What the heck, I'll throw in the full back of Rolos!

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I gotta admit, I'm leaning toward 'Go Big!' It's got a certain je ne sais quoi that moves me.
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I gotta admit, I'm leaning toward 'Go Big!' It's got a certain je ne sais quoi that moves me.
But when people hear "Go Big!" will they think it is a gaming/comic/collectibles store, or will they think it is a clothing store for larger women and/or men? Would you consider taking the top ten names listed so far and asking your employees which names they think would draw people to your store?
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I've been doing that all along.

Put together a list, Czarcasm. I'll share with all.
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Perhaps you could make it a Sudoku like puzzle that people would have to solve to figure out what the name of the store is. You know, as a tie in to the gaming aspect.

This is why I'm not in marketing...
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Everybody is giving suggestions from the gaming angle, but it is a comic book store, too. Which should be getting the bigger emphasis? (Bagged and Boarded (also a funeral home) The Long Box (also a strip joint).)
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Indeed, that was the plan. But the owner is insisting on at least half-a-million for it and my evaluation - with my CPA and attorney - made it about $125-$150,000.

So we determined to open up in the same general area with updated interiors and inventory. Looks like initial inventory will cost me about $40-50K.

I've got the inventory, staff and marketing lined up. We're just looking at specific locations now and trying to get landlords to throw in build-out money.
Wow, so instead of retiring he basically drew you in as a competitor for the final years of his business. Sad and dumb.
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I've been doing that all along.

Put together a list, Czarcasm. I'll share with all.
You might be able to get ten if you throw out the obscure names and the ones with possible copyright problems. Any name that isn't tied to the name of the owner or the store's location should be able to clue someone in on what is being sold, because that makes it easier to remember. Also, the logo is important-if they have trouble remembering the name you get a second chance if they remember the logo.
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Depends... do you want to include or exclude people who are non avid gamers? I'm not a gamer and I would not wander into a place that had a clever reference that I don't recognize, but I may think a place with games and collectibles would be interesting enough to check out.
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I like naming it after the town/city. I think it sets the idea that this it THE Games/Comics/Collectible place in the area. In Big Friendly Font.

A combo name/nick name can be nice, too, in the right locale. Like, if you were in Dallas it could be Big D or D-Town Games and Comics (yes, yes, I know. But people say "Big D" and don't think about it, I swear). Or DalComics and Games. I don't know if your locale would work for that.
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Perhaps you could make it a Sudoku like puzzle that people would have to solve to figure out what the name of the store is. You know, as a tie in to the gaming aspect.
Oooh, I like this. What you need is a 9-character store name, where no character is reused. Or an 18-character store name, using the same 9-character set twice (in certain patterns...) I will think about this. Nine characters isn't very many...
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Will you be having any on-site gaming?
Yes, along with other things. There's room in the space - if we get the one we want - for 5-7 long tables that can be used for games, classes, crafts, whatever.
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I'm presenting the list to the Money this evening.
  • The Black Lotus
  • The Final Quest
  • Dungeon Crawl
  • Future Memories
  • Go Big!
  • Infinite Possibilities
  • The Shop of Holding
  • D20 Games
  • Bloodbath and Beyond
  • Alchemy Games
  • Approachable Comics & Games
  • Diversions and Pastimes
  • Strange Games
  • Blurred Edge

Final thoughts and suggestions? Speak now!
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I'm presenting the list to the Money this evening.
  • Infinite Possibilities
  • The Shop of Holding
  • Alchemy Games
  • Approachable Comics & Games
  • Strange Games

Final thoughts and suggestions? Speak now!
I like these.
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I love naming stuff!

Any of these work for you?
- Final Dimension
- ACME Games and Comics
- 8th Ave Comics
- Last Destination Game Lounge and Comics
- The Dice is Mightier than the Sword
- 20 Sides of Dice
- Red's Comic Adventure
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The black lotus figured in the Conan stories of Robert E. Howard.
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  • Approachable Comics & Games
This is my favorite, as it works on multiple levels, my favorite being that a collector will never quite be done, but will always be asymptotically approaching it.
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What about my suggestion to drop "Art" in favor of "Collectibles"?
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That's up in the air. The place we've put a offer in to rent would require a build-out for the art gallery. If they agree to it we'll go with art. I think it'll be a strong product differentiator.
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That's up in the air. The place we've put a offer in to rent would require a build-out for the art gallery. If they agree to it we'll go with art. I think it'll be a strong product differentiator.
That changes things-now it makes more sense to me.
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Because so much business will come through searches, it's probably pretty important that the name have keywords like comics and games in it. So it would probably be better to be called "Black Lotus Comics and Games" instead of just Black Lotus. That also affects drive-by business. If I see a strip mall and one store is called "Black Lotus", I'm not going to think it's a gaming store.

I'll give my opinion as a non-gamer who was just going off the name:
  • The Black Lotus - I don't know the Black Lotus reference. I would think this is a yoga studio
  • The Final Quest - Good
  • Dungeon Crawl - Okay. Makes me think it's an interactive experience like an escape room
  • Future Memories - No. Sounds like the place in the mall that engraves picture frames
  • Go Big! - Not good on its own since it could be anything. Add comics and games and it'd be a fun name
  • Infinite Possibilities - Too generic. Could be any kind of store
  • The Shop of Holding - I don't understand this reference
  • D20 Games - Hardcore gamers would understand D20. Not sure about casuals or collectors.
  • Bloodbath and Beyond - Cool name, but might get trademark issues.
  • Alchemy Games - Cool name
  • Approachable Comics & Games - Approachable might be too accessible of a name that would deter experienced gamers. Seems like a store for beginners
  • Diversions and Pastimes - Fun name
  • Strange Games - Strange might be to weird of a word. Might imply you only have strange games
  • Blurred Edge - Don't understand this
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[*]Blurred Edge - Don't understand this.
Ever try to look at dice after 10 hours of gaming and a half dozen IPAs?
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My first thought was: "Not Another Games and Comic Book Shop"

Which is kind of the issue I have with most of the suggestions so far. So I tried to think of something that is more about what a "game and comic book shop" is "about" and not just what is sold there.

"Citadel of Imagination"

"Creativity Resort"
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ARThur Games' Famous Comic Book Store.
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Probably something that makes it clear you don't mean video games (unless you do mean those too...)
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Approachable Comics & Games - Approachable might be too accessible of a name that would deter experienced gamers. Seems like a store for beginners
For what it's worth, I'm an "experienced gamer" and wouldn't be put off by the name at all. It's not really my pick off the list but I wouldn't disqualify it on these grounds.
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For what it's worth, I'm an "experienced gamer" and wouldn't be put off by the name at all. It's not really my pick off the list but I wouldn't disqualify it on these grounds.
Same--I've been gaming for nearly four decades, and can't imagine being put off by the idea that a gaming store is trying to be attractive to new recruits to the hobby.
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For what it's worth, I'm an "experienced gamer" and wouldn't be put off by the name at all. It's not really my pick off the list but I wouldn't disqualify it on these grounds.
If it was the only game store in town, then it'd be fine. The name is not off-putting or anything. But my thought was about how someone who was just basing their decision on the name might think. If people came into town for a Comic Con and did a search for game stores and these were the results:

- D20 Games
- Approachable Games

I would guess that the experienced gamers would tend to go to D20 over Approachable. However, if you were someone like a typical grandparent looking to buy some games for the grandkids coming over for the holidays, you might go to Approachable since you wouldn't know what D20 means.

Unless you're targeting just one demographic or the other, it would probably be best to have an all-inclusive name. Something that the dungeon master who paints her own game pieces would go to, as well as some kids looking for Cards Against Humanity and Harry Potter collectibles.
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I'm guessing that grandparents buying games for the grandkids isn't the biggest demographic out there. From this website:
-63 percent of U.S. households surveyed include at least one frequent gamer.
-65 percent of homes own a video game-playing device, while 48 percent own "a dedicated game console."
-47 percent of gamers are between 18 and 49 years old.
-The average guy who plays games is 35; the average woman is 44.
-59 percent of those who play games on a regular basis are men; 41 percent are women.
-The average "frequent game purchaser" is 38 years old.
-60 percent of those who buy games most often are men, while the remaining 40 percent are women.
-41 percent of regular buyers pick up new games without trying them beforehand.

The types of games that grandparents buy grandkids can usually be found in any store like Fred Meyers, Macys, Walmart etc.

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I would guess that the experienced gamers would tend to go to D20 over Approachable.
Honestly, I'd start with whichever store is fewer steps away or is closer to my next destination. Unless you're looking for something esoteric or out-of-print (which doesn't seem to be the goal with this store), they're all going to carry Reaper Bones miniatures, Chessex dice sets and copies of the 5th edition D&D Players Handbook.

The fact that it's "Games & Comics" would clue me in that we're talking roleplaying games and probably not copies of Settlers of Cattan or Ticket to Ride.

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I look at several of the successful small businesses in my area that have loyal followings:
Top Ten Toys
Math & Stuff
Greenlake Games (named after neighborhood)

Simple, easy, once someone goes once they love the selection and the recommendations. I personally would definitely go neutral and factual and short! On yelp and google and the website, you can add in the other things that are sold so keep them out of the name. So I am with several above posters who said "Chance Comics & Games" or Games by Chance or Chance Games & More. The latin and obscure game references are going to intimidate Grandparents going to buy games for dear Maddisen. So even adding a tagline of "for all ages and skill levels!" is helpful.

I did like the Nerdvana (Games)- it is self-deprecating enough to be not offputting to anyone.

In my other unsought opinion. Greenlake Games died due to trying to make it too "club like" with seemingly constant Magic sessions going on at a table in the middle of the small store- and Card Kingdom died due to half the store being Warhammer? dedicated. But one thing they actually both did very well was keep their small $10 games (see Love Letter, Rhino Hero) right on the cashier stand. Every time I purchased a major game, they convinced me to buy one of those stocking stuffer or glove compartment games. And honestly those are often the best quick games with infinite replayability. But make them more prominent than a back corner as they are a great and easy add on discussion for a sales clerk ("happy hour games" or games to play on the deck or games while waiting for your waiter).
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