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Old 06-09-2019, 12:26 PM
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The Metric system is the tool of the devil!


The global tyranny of the metric system rears its head on Tucker Carlson tonight.
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Old 06-09-2019, 02:32 PM
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Will all Tucker's viewers immediately ditch their 9mm handguns for a good American .45cal? Tune in tonight!
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Is it a requirement to watch the entire video to participate in this thread? I tried, I really did, twice. I just couldn't take it though and never made it further than "new world orders" before I had to shut off the clip.

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Will all Tucker's viewers immediately ditch their 9mm handguns for a good American .45cal? Tune in tonight!
No, a .357.

See how hard the metric system is?
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Generally, I find that YouTube comments are some of the most moronic on the web, but the comments on that video are spot-on.
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Is it a requirement to watch the entire video to participate in this thread? I tried, I really did, twice. I just couldn't take it though and never made it further than "new world orders" before I had to shut off the clip.
You should have stuck it out a little longer - to the bit where the interviewee appears to claim that America put men on the moon without interference from the metric system. Part of me hopes that's true.

Here's a little something that may amuse you, if you haven't seen it before - the US's resistance to the metric system has some odd effects. Some animal health products are sold as high concentration premixes for addition to animal feed (hey - ever tried to get a pig to take a tablet?). OK, so how do you get around dosing in grams when you're talking to a farmer?

Simple. Like this.

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Makes designing a rocket in foot-poundals seem logical.

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Some gems:
  • Tucker correctly pronouncing Buenos Aires, Lusaka, Esperanto, and Criterion but faking ignorance of Kilometer.
  • Guest calling himself an "anti-Metrite"
  • A surprising focus on French revolutionary history
  • Terms like "ancient knowledge" and "global tyranny"
  • Tucker briefly contemplating replacing the Dollar for the Euro

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Doesn't the U.S. military use the metric system, what with "klicks" and shit? Does Tucker Carlson not Support the Troops?
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You should have stuck it out a little longer - to the bit where the interviewee appears to claim that America put men on the moon without interference from the metric system. Part of me hopes that's true.
This Reddit post suggests that NASA used both metric and Imperial units in the Apollo program; scientific data, in particular, apparently was more likely to use metric.

The Reddit post contains a link to another article, written by an engineer who worked on the Lunar Module Guidance Computer; he states:

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This is hilarious. All automotive oems use the metric system now.
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A mile is a thousand paces @ 5' each. I wonder if anyone has the legs for a 5' stride.
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A mile is a thousand paces @ 5' each. I wonder if anyone has the legs for a 5' stride.
Romans counted a pace as two steps - the distance between where your right foot hits the ground to where your right foot next hits the ground.
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Doesn't the U.S. military use the metric system, what with "klicks" and shit? Does Tucker Carlson not Support the Troops?

When I was in Basic Combat Training, one Drill Sergeant constantly repeated "Keep three meters apart; keep three meters apart" when we were on cross-country marches. Oddly enough, he was from Mexico and what he thought was three meters was actually three feet.

And, yes, the US military does use SI. Of course there are some unusual terms in the US. For example, my unit conversion app does not have a measure termed shit, but it does have both assload (1 assload = 3 kg) and shit-ton (1 shit-ton = 4,000,000 pounds).
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Here's a little something that may amuse you, if you haven't seen it before - the US's resistance to the metric system has some odd effects. Some animal health products are sold as high concentration premixes for addition to animal feed (hey - ever tried to get a pig to take a tablet?). OK, so how do you get around dosing in grams when you're talking to a farmer?

Simple. Like this.
Sadly, I've encountered it before, in the form of an American lab manager who claimed that "everybody measures density in kilograms per quart!" The out-of-the-US factories had previously used either kg/l or specific gravity (identical numbers, different units); we'd all moved to specific gravity as part of a company-wide project (a tiny, tiny, tiny part of it).

There was a moment of silence while we processed the horror of that American unit. Then the one Englishman present said "excuse me, I would like to take this response" and the rest of us agreed. It's a pity it was before telephone cameras, because damn that was one of the most beautiful rants I've ever witnessed.


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Doesn't the U.S. military use the metric system, what with "klicks" and shit? Does Tucker Carlson not Support the Troops?
I thought shit was customarily measured in bovine units.
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I work for a supplier to the automotive oems, we use SI exclusively. But it never fails, anytime I hire a contractor They tell me the old saying theres only 2 types of countries, those that have been to the moon, and those that use the metric system. Its usually just meant as a funny down home trope (is trope correct?) but evidently Tucker Carlson wants to use it as a serious talking point to keep dipshits voting for idiots.
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I worked on an archaeological dig once. The director wanted to use feet and inches for measurement. I urged that he switch to metric. His compromise was to excavate levels in tenths of feet!
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Burma and Liberia have not been to the moon
Russia and China have landed on the Moon (just not with people), and India has/is orbiting it.

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I worked on an archaeological dig once. The director wanted to use feet and inches for measurement. I urged that he switch to metric. His compromise was to excavate levels in tenths of feet!
Am I correct to say Ford once used tenths of inches in its cars? I seem to recall you need special tools to work on some classic Ford cars.


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This Reddit post suggests that NASA used both metric and Imperial units in the Apollo program; scientific data, in particular, apparently was more likely to use metric.

The Reddit post contains a link to another article, written by an engineer who worked on the Lunar Module Guidance Computer; he states:
Thanks for that, Kenobi, those links were fascinating. I now have a mental picture of that old Nazi Werner von Braun, having been hustled back to the USA after the war, being brought before military officials to be "deprogrammed" - not of Nazism, but of SI units. Jesus.

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Sadly, I've encountered it before, in the form of an American lab manager who claimed that "everybody measures density in kilograms per quart!" The out-of-the-US factories had previously used either kg/l or specific gravity (identical numbers, different units); we'd all moved to specific gravity as part of a company-wide project (a tiny, tiny, tiny part of it).

There was a moment of silence while we processed the horror of that American unit. Then the one Englishman present said "excuse me, I would like to take this response" and the rest of us agreed. It's a pity it was before telephone cameras, because damn that was one of the most beautiful rants I've ever witnessed.
I have to ask: did your English colleague address the additional layer of complication caused by the fact that a US quart is not the same as an Imperial quart?

(In the days before you could instantly resolve such questions by googling them on your phone, I once had an absurd cyclical argument with a US friend about gallons which were not the same as gallons because the pints they were made up of were not the same as pints because....)

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The global tyranny of the metric system rears its head on Tucker Carlson tonight.
Thanks for that; it really got my day started well. I'll be sharing that with friends & family all day.
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Generally, I find that YouTube comments are some of the most moronic on the web, but the comments on that video are spot-on.
The video is from Buffy Browncoat, not from FoxNews.

Their big argument for "customary" units is that a third of a foot is 4 inches nice and simple. I think a reason that anti-Metricism hasn't caught on among FoxPotatoes is that many of them couldn't correctly answer "How many inches in a third of a foot?" anyway.
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Go ask one of those guys if a century is metric.

How about Top Ten lists?

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Just FYI, the metric system has been "the preferred system of weights and measures for United States trade and commerce" pursuant to federal law since 1975. It's just not mandatory.

As for the OP, it would be nice to get a summary or description of the linked video. I'm not watching a second of Tucker Carlson on the off chance that I might find something amusing.
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Some gems:
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He even threw in a gratuitous reference to Robespierre (which he also pronounced correctly).

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Just FYI, the metric system has been "the preferred system of weights and measures for United States trade and commerce" pursuant to federal law since 1975. It's just not mandatory.

As for the OP, it would be nice to get a summary or description of the linked video. I'm not watching a second of Tucker Carlson on the off chance that I might find something amusing.
The OP is a summary of the linked video: it's Tucker Carlson & a guest talking about how the metric system is a tyranny imposed by liberals even tho feet and inches are way better because people have limbs. The guest seems to be making it his personal crusade and Carlson is sympathetic.

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The OP is a summary of the linked video: it's Tucker Carlson & a guest talking about how the metric system is a tyranny imposed by liberals even tho feet and inches are way better because people have limbs. The guest seems to be making it his personal crusade and Carlson is sympathetic.
That's far more information than the OP offers. Thanks.
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I have to ask: did your English colleague address the additional layer of complication caused by the fact that a US quart is not the same as an Imperial quart?
He did. He also addressed volume ounces vs. weight ounces and referred to the Americans as "you Colonials", with a tone where the font used in a comic book would have had a name along the lines of Drippy Corrosive Poison. We were surprised he didn't leave smoking holes in the floor.
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Here's a little something that may amuse you, if you haven't seen it before - the US's resistance to the metric system has some odd effects. Some animal health products are sold as high concentration premixes for addition to animal feed (hey - ever tried to get a pig to take a tablet?). OK, so how do you get around dosing in grams when you're talking to a farmer?

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Makes designing a rocket in foot-poundals seem logical.

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I don't know about animal health products, but you get a somewhat similar thing with children's medicines, too. Dosing is given in metric (mL), based on weight in US customary units. It actually never occurred to me that it's odd to mix units like that, because I'm used to medicines being dispensed in metric weight and volume units, but most people only know their weights in US customary units. I'm all for standardizing in metric, but it really isn't that hard to reconcile the two in situations like these.

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Go ask one of those guys if a century is metric.
Well, as a cyclist, we have both centuries (the default is metric) and Imperial centuries (so named).
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A mile is a thousand paces @ 5' each. I wonder if anyone has the legs for a 5' stride.


My pace per chain is 14 which works out 4.7 feet but I measure mine on uneven terrain which is more realistic but probably shortens it a bit.
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I don't know about animal health products, but you get a somewhat similar thing with children's medicines, too. Dosing is given in metric (mL), based on weight in US customary units. It actually never occurred to me that it's odd to mix units like that, because I'm used to medicines being dispensed in metric weight and volume units, but most people only know their weights in US customary units. I'm all for standardizing in metric, but it really isn't that hard to reconcile the two in situations like these.
I take your point, but the two situations are not quite the same. Measuring a child in pounds and then dosing is mL based on the weight is one thing*; actually making a medicine and expressing the strength in grams per pound - to make to a final concentration of grams per gallon or ton - is that not weird? A medicine - one of those high tech, highly regulated things?

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Well, as a cyclist, we have both centuries (the default is metric) and Imperial centuries (so named).
Really? In everything I've read or heard it is the other way around. There is a century (160.93 km) and a metric century (100 km).

Here's a link to a very common topic amongst popular cycling rags:

https://www.bicycling.com/training/a...ide-a-century/
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Really? In everything I've read or heard it is the other way around. There is a century (160.93 km) and a metric century (100 km).

Here's a link to a very common topic amongst popular cycling rags:

https://www.bicycling.com/training/a...ide-a-century/
This matches my experience. I did a Summer Century ride here in the PNW earlier this month and it was 100 miles.
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That's far more information than the OP offers. Thanks.
The Metric System is a revolutionary system, dating from the Age of Enlightenment. Now, if you think about it, the Americans too had themselves a little revolution around the same time, not only the French, so one would imagine they would be aggressive proponents of the new system in America. Those staunchly resisting it are clearly counterrevolutionary imperialists.
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I worked on an archaeological dig once. The director wanted to use feet and inches for measurement. I urged that he switch to metric. His compromise was to excavate levels in tenths of feet!
I have a tape measure with tenths of feet instead of inches. VERY useful when calculating area&volume for landscaping.

In your case, it doesn't seem like that sensible a choice.
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No, a .357.

See how hard the metric system is?
It's always struck me as really weird that people would make bullets with a three fifty-sevenths of an inch diameter cross-section. Also not that pragmatic.

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A mile is a thousand paces @ 5' each. I wonder if anyone has the legs for a 5' stride.
If you consider a stride to be from left footfall to the next left footfall (or right, if that's the way you roll), it seems a bit less implausible.

The fact that very few soldiers had identically-sized legs does complicate things a bit.
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He even threw in a gratuitous reference to Robespierre (which he also pronounced correctly).
But the closed captioning got it as "rogue spears"...
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If you consider a stride to be from left footfall to the next left footfall (or right, if that's the way you roll), it seems a bit less implausible.

The fact that very few soldiers had identically-sized legs does complicate things a bit.
Wouldn't the parameters of formation movement have required them to train their soldiers to march with the same stride despite any differences in leg length?
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The fact that very few soldiers had identically-sized legs does complicate things a bit.
It seems like a soldier without identically sized legs wouldn't be very effective. I'm glad we've made that a requirement in modern armies.
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Just FYI, the metric system has been "the preferred system of weights and measures for United States trade and commerce" pursuant to federal law since 1975. It's just not mandatory.
And as an aside, this has to do with why the big multi serving bottles of soda are sold by the liter, while everything else in the US is sold in ounces/quarts/gallons. The first soda company to introduce a bottle larger than a single serving did so in the 1970s around the time this law was passed, so they decided to make it 2 liters to be compliant with the new law that was about to be passed.
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Originally Posted by kaylasdad99 View Post
If you consider a stride to be from left footfall to the next left footfall (or right, if that's the way you roll), it seems a bit less implausible.

The fact that very few soldiers had identically-sized legs does complicate things a bit.
For nighttime land navigation, we were taught to measure how many double strides (right foot to right foot), on average, it took us to advance 100 meters. The average for a male soldier was 60, I think, although I'm fairly long-legged myself, so I remember doing it in 57.

That makes a kilometer 600 double paces or so, which is fairly close to 1000 per mile. YMMV (literally), but the math checks out.
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