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Old 05-16-2019, 02:38 PM
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Oddly enough, all my co-worker does is sit around until I give him work to do.

Hey, wait a minute....

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Old 05-29-2019, 09:37 PM
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At least it's just office supplies! Many years ago, my then-supervisor ordered new chairs for the entire department. A lady from another department saw the chairs being assembled and decided to help herself to one. Her supervisor saw nothing wrong with this.


Wow. I’m amazed at what some people can get away with and not get fired.

I’ve been in InDesign hell and I finally fixed a problem with a complicated multilevel list today, but I don’t know exactly what I did that fixed it, so it will probably happen again. I don’t get paid enough to deal with things like this.
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Old 05-30-2019, 08:41 AM
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Wow. I’m amazed at what some people can get away with and not get fired.
It took more than interdepartmental chair theft to get rid of her. She really had it pretty good...her desk was in the document storage room, and all she had to do was scan stuff all day (and occasionally help out with accounting). She had the entire room to herself most of the time; since almost everything has been digitized, people only go in there to look at standards and other books. For some reason, her bosses never figured out just how little work she was doing until she was moved into an actual office to make way for more file cabinets...she didn't bother to change her mobile phone habits, and would sit in her new office in full view of everyone chatting and texting. She lasted about a week before a company-wide email was sent by her manager announcing that she was "no longer with the company." She didn't even pack up her things; someone from another department eventually put the personal-looking items in a box and dropped it off at her house.
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Old 05-30-2019, 08:45 AM
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I finished ringing up a customer, there was a line, and the next person did not step up. So I said "Next on line, the register is open."

The person complained that I was nasty, interrupting her texting and should have waited until she was finished texting. She also said I had a bad attitude and screamed at her. Oddly nobody else noticed this, even when they looked at the tape.

Fucking texting addicts.
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Old 05-30-2019, 09:23 AM
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Maybe she was annoyed because you said "Next on line" instead of the correct "Next in line"

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Old 05-30-2019, 09:25 AM
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Check my location. People in these parts are not ever "in line." We are always "on (the) line." And we don't wait "for" people. We wait "on" people: I'm waiting on the next on line to come to the register.

It a localism.

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Old 05-30-2019, 09:38 AM
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Old 05-30-2019, 04:10 PM
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One of my coworkers put an ice tray in the freezer that’s half full of ice cubes. The other half is just plain water. I do not understand these people.
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Old 05-30-2019, 05:57 PM
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One of my coworkers put an ice tray in the freezer that’s half full of ice cubes. The other half is just plain water. I do not understand these people.
How many ice trays are in the freezer? Is this one likely to freeze up before the other one(s) are emptied? In which case, it seems like a better idea than having a half tray of ice. YMMV
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How many ice trays are in the freezer? Is this one likely to freeze up before the other one(s) are emptied? In which case, it seems like a better idea than having a half tray of ice. YMMV


We have five ice trays. We might use two trays of ice in a day, so there’s plenty of time for it to freeze.
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Old 05-30-2019, 08:24 PM
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Whoever it was didn't need a full tray of ice in their drink, but didn't want to leave a half empty tray in the freezer (and yes, I've heard people bitch about that, too) so they refilled it knowing that the water would freeze before all the other trays were used up.
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Old 05-30-2019, 08:33 PM
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Check my location. People in these parts are not ever "in line." We are always "on (the) line." And we don't wait "for" people. We wait "on" people: I'm waiting on the next on line to come to the register.

It a localism.
Yes I know that. Doesn't make it any less wrong.
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Old 05-30-2019, 08:39 PM
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I am convinced that my co-worker, Linda, begins yammering the second her eyes open in the morning. She is loud, she is non-stop, and she could not be more annoying. I don't know how she does not run out of breath.

She works four days a week, so she is not there every day. I know the minute my elevator door bings open whether Linda is working that day. Mind you, the elevator is a good distance and a couple of hallway turns away from her desk.

She goes all goddamned day long, telling the same inane stories to person after person throughout the shift. It is not unusual for me - based on my location - to hear 3 or 4 10-minute accounts of how her cat jumped up on the kitchen counter last night.

Linda-less days are a rare, peaceful blessing.


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Old 05-30-2019, 09:07 PM
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I am convinced that my co-worker, Linda, begins yammering the second her eyes open in the morning. She is loud, she is non-stop, and she could not be more annoying. I don't know how she does not run out of breath...
I feel for ya. I have a couple of talky coworkers, chief among them is the Pop Into My Office one.

No matter how quietly I approach, the second I silently sit down, she's IN my office. Not at the door, inside, inches from my elbow. And blathering non-stop. How her weekend was (even if it's Wednesday by now), and how was my weekend? It was such perrrrfect weather..."Fine. I'm really busy, sorry." So what did you do? On the weekend? Did you leave town, like my husband and I did and we found the cutest apple orchard... All drivel delivered to my ear, because for the last year I haven't made eye contact.

And in that last year, I have entered my office FIVE times during normal hours. I'll hit my office after six, when she's gone. During the day I've been keeping everything I need in my bike bag and logging onto a computer in random classrooms to get stuff done. So how come you never swing by these days? We never chit-chat!

Swing by? I honestly think she looks at it as my coming to visit, so we can "chit-chat". And she's fragile, if I tried to talk to her about any of this, she would Never. Stop. Crying.


I swear, it's not quite a reason I'm retiring, but it's on the list of "Shit I Won't Miss".
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Old 05-30-2019, 11:03 PM
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I feel for ya. I have a couple of talky coworkers, chief among them is the Pop Into My Office one.

No matter how quietly I approach, the second I silently sit down, she's IN my office. Not at the door, inside, inches from my elbow. And blathering non-stop. How her weekend was (even if it's Wednesday by now), and how was my weekend? It was such perrrrfect weather..."Fine. I'm really busy, sorry." So what did you do? On the weekend? Did you leave town, like my husband and I did and we found the cutest apple orchard... All drivel delivered to my ear, because for the last year I haven't made eye contact.

And in that last year, I have entered my office FIVE times during normal hours. I'll hit my office after six, when she's gone. During the day I've been keeping everything I need in my bike bag and logging onto a computer in random classrooms to get stuff done. So how come you never swing by these days? We never chit-chat!

Swing by? I honestly think she looks at it as my coming to visit, so we can "chit-chat". And she's fragile, if I tried to talk to her about any of this, she would Never. Stop. Crying.


I swear, it's not quite a reason I'm retiring, but it's on the list of "Shit I Won't Miss".
My "Linda" doesn't bother coming to me to chat; she learned long ago that I have ZERO interest in how she and her mom spent the night at the casino, played the penny slots, hit the buffet, went into the hot tub, then fell asleep watching 90-Day Fiance in the room.

But I still get to hear her tell everyone else - one by one - about it.

I know exactly what you mean about retirement. These scenes always pop into my head whenever I daydream about The Day.


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Old 05-31-2019, 04:21 AM
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*Knock knock knock*

[through the keyhole] Coooee! I just thought I'd drop by to see how the retirement's going? You've got plenty of time to chat now, isn't it lovely?! Maybe you should get a cat to keep yourself busy now; Mr Tiddles certainly keeps me busy, he's such a scamp! He was up on the kitchen counter five times yesterday, imagine! I'm taking him to the vet later though, every time he gets up there he heads straight for the knives, and I know this sounds silly, but he's rubbing his head on them, it almost looks like he's trying to cut his ears off...[/through the keyhole]
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Old 05-31-2019, 07:57 AM
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*Knock knock knock*

[through the keyhole] Coooee! I just thought I'd drop by to see how the retirement's going? You've got plenty of time to chat now, isn't it lovely?! Maybe you should get a cat to keep yourself busy now; Mr Tiddles certainly keeps me busy, he's such a scamp! He was up on the kitchen counter five times yesterday, imagine! I'm taking him to the vet later though, every time he gets up there he heads straight for the knives, and I know this sounds silly, but he's rubbing his head on them, it almost looks like he's trying to cut his ears off...[/through the keyhole]
I'm hearing this in the voice of Mrs. Flack, a (brief) character on the series As Time Goes By.
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Old 06-04-2019, 04:32 AM
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*Knock knock knock*

[through the keyhole] Coooee! I just thought I'd drop by to see how the retirement's going? You've got plenty of time to chat now, isn't it lovely?! Maybe you should get a cat to keep yourself busy now; Mr Tiddles certainly keeps me busy, he's such a scamp! He was up on the kitchen counter five times yesterday, imagine! I'm taking him to the vet later though, every time he gets up there he heads straight for the knives, and I know this sounds silly, but he's rubbing his head on them, it almost looks like he's trying to cut his ears off...[/through the keyhole]
I think you should bring over that nice casserole, the one he's allergic to.




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Old 06-04-2019, 08:39 AM
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Wow. I don't speak Spanish, but that deck of cards... something about celebrating Father's Day? ... with 'adorable' racist stereotypes?

Yeah. No.
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Old 06-04-2019, 09:01 AM
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I don't know which one you got, it changes by location. For some reason, when I am at home it knows I'm in France but right now it thinks I'm in Argentina. I didn't know you could walk from France to Argentina!

If you got the same background I have right now it's an old game called "families", originally published in 1965. Each of the seven families is formed by six people (2 genders, 3 generations) and you're supposed to combine them into matching sets.
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Old 06-04-2019, 12:29 PM
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I don't know which one you got, it changes by location.
For me, it was showing a bunch of screens in rotation, faster than I could really taken in given my not speaking the language and my impaired eyesight. When I randomly clicked on something, I ended up here: https://www.nhfournier.es/blog/5-reg...dia-del-padre/

with caricatures labeled Swiss(?), Indian, Arab, Eskimo, Mexican, and Chinese. Anyway, NOT the sort of thing I'd bring in to most modern workplaces.
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Tirol. I didn't mean that one anyway, I meant normal Spanish cards: every single other deck on that exact same page. Also, while I usually wouldn't bring a children's game to work (in fact, I wouldn't bring cards to work) remember that most modern workplaces aren't in the US; some of us don't have a history of finding every caricature automatically offensive.

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Old 06-05-2019, 12:23 PM
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My current situation isn't nearly as bad/toxic/frustrating as the last place was, but it has it's own... interesting... quirks. So far I'm keeping myself sane by ignoring it all, but I do notice. (I'm also encouraging myself with the knowledge that I'm not going to be here long as I plan to downgrade my career to part time, likely by freelancing because corporate america has some aversion to part time professionals (who aren't contractors or consultants). Some of the things that I would rant about if I allow myself to:

1. The client's rep is always pushing work back over to us whenever we ask him to do small tasks like submitting change requests. He's always oh I'm too busy, I'm going on vacation tomorrow, your team knows more about it than I do, whatever excuses.

2. The first one also extends to some of the detailed software requirements I'm supposed to get out of it. For example, they'll ask for different documents to be attached to specific system codes. It's their data and their documents, we just support the system with development, so they're supposed to provide the documents and the list of system codes that each one attaches to. Nope, he pushed back and said that our team had a list last time we did this change so just start with that list and update it. Isn't it strange how the list was WRONG, so we spent a few weeks of development time trying to get it all figured out without their help?

3. They keep submitting new requests for changes that overlap or usurp the last thing they requested only a few weeks ago. Very much a "moving target" combined with a "snowball rolling downhill" situation. We're all having trouble keeping all the changes straight in our heads, because they're all so similar that even in the issue tracking system they have similar names. A mocked up example is that we have some retention bonuses in production. Last December they requested some new bonuses to be set up as a pilot. January they asked for a new set of retention bonuses to be added to the system. March, they requested that the retention bonuses currently in production be changed. We're currently working on that development, and last week they requested some new urgent bonuses be added to the system modeled after the ones in production (not the ones we're currently working on!). Because that's urgent, it will be deployed before the currently-in-development ones meaning that those currently in development will have to be revised before we can test and deploy them. And there are two other new sets of bonuses that we're currently gathering requirements for, unrelated to all the others. Who the eff knows what we'll deploy at this point?

4. Oh, and the client rep who I mentioned in #1 above seems to have a habit of pre-emptive offensive escalation. For example, he wanted to know the status of that urgent request they sent us last week. In his email he mentioned that they discussed it last Friday but they need to know the status again today and if he doesn't hear from us promptly his next email will include the entire management chains from both sides. The urgency isn't an issue - that happens. What I kind of resent is that he made it sound like we're not responsive, when we totally have been.

5. So yeah, my management told everybody that we have a great relationship with the client. I really don't think so, as I am picking up a LOT of friction in things like #4.
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Old 06-11-2019, 04:27 AM
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Today one of my main contacts asked "but, why do we have all these conflicting stuff?"

Well… someone asked for bespoke functionality A. Which makes sense, so it was approved.
And someone asked for bespoke functionality B. Which makes sense from a different point of view, and it was approved, but it conflicts directly with A.
And another person asked for functionality C. Which kind of makes sense, but only kind of because it's actually not very well designed since it assumes everybody needs it when actually only about a quarter of the company does, but it was approved so now everybody has to use it. It conflicts with both A and B.
And each functionality was the responsibility of a different team. So, take three things which each of them makes sense, or at least more-or-less sense, and...

Contact: "Ah. And we end up with Paris traffic jam. On first day of vacation. I see."

I'm SO copying that description.

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Old 07-14-2019, 09:48 PM
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My current workplace rant is with Marriott.com. I try to book rooms close to where I'm working and the closest Marriott to this month's host is reported as 20 miles away to get my corporate rate. Further than I like, but I can work with it. Marriott apparently thinks I have a helicopter at my disposal. 20 miles is a straight line. Actually driving to work is more like 35 miles and and hour of transit time. Yes, I'm changing hotels tomorrow even if I have to eat the difference in room rates.
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Yes, I'm changing hotels tomorrow even if I have to eat the difference in room rates.
Explain why to the new hotel. Often, they will offer to match the rte you had. Or at least give you some discount.

Especially if you offer to complain to your employer about only having a discounted rate at Marriott, and not at [new hotel] chain.
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Old 07-15-2019, 09:54 AM
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This job is making me appreciate the meetings I had in other jobs. Maybe I've been terribly lucky, but it's the first time I'm in a project in which meetings routinely quadruple or more their official expected duration. A few times I'd had meetings which lasted longer than originally intended but the appendix had always been much less than the original duration, and it had been agreed upon because "we're inspired, let's wrap this thing up completely and save us several other meetings".
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So the local paper ran a story yesterday about an impending road construction project that will, among other things, expand the road alongside my workplace to four lanes and add many, many traffic circles. This has been public knowledge for quite some time, as the project keeps getting delayed.

One employee took it upon himself to scan the article and individually email it to a handful of people as if it was some sort of super-secret knowledge. Some of those people forwarded his email on until the entire company had been notified...and people proceeded to lose their frickin' minds. Apparently, traffic circles are evidence of a bloated government with too much money, and they don't work, and simple folk don't know how to use them, and we don't need none of that fancy urban crap around here. (Although I do wonder why they're adding an interchange to the interstate...industry is dead in this area, and despite what a recent ad campaign wants you to think, people aren't exactly flocking to this city.)

Apparently I didn't show the appropriate amount of emotion in response to the news; one lady took it upon herself to make direct eye contact and repeatedly tell me "There's gonna be CONSTRUCTION! There's gonna be so much CONSTRUCTION!!" Come on, you've lived in the state of North Carolina for how long and never had to deal with a work zone? I don't remember anyone complaining this much when they repaved that same road years ago.
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Old 07-17-2019, 08:43 PM
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Here's the thing.

We had four people on our shift today. One doesn't want to do anything, takes frequent breaks and wanders off where you don't know where the fuck he is most of the time. Two are assistant managers.

One of the assistant managers and myself asked, several times, where the first guy was and what he was supposed to be doing, because in his first three hours on the job, he did about 15 minutes of work and kept disappearing. The senior assistant manager, who kept getting asked this, then spent over an hour shooting the shit with that person in the cooler, out of sight of everyone and NOT working. Fuck you two and the horses you rode in on. Do the job or fucking go home.

My issue with this? I resent having to work harder because half the people on the shift aren't fucking doing anything.

The assistant manager is one of two assistants who spend far too much time disappearing, wandering around and taking frequent breaks. While leaving me to do the heavy lifting. Last time I worked with this guy, he disappeared so completely for the last hour and a half of our shift that I wasn't 100% sure that he was even still there. That after refusing to answer calls for help and making a crack about how he doesn't like to be called up to the front because he gets stuck working there for an hour. Oh boo hoo. It's your fucking job. You're getting paid to be a leader. Act like it.

Tomorrow I talk to the store manager and potentially, the district manager. Being an assistant manager doesn't mean you get to stand around on your shift socializing with everyone, wandering aimlessly and taking frequent breaks because you're the boss. And facilitating the screw off doing more screwing off? No. Just NO.
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Old 07-18-2019, 05:45 AM
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Explain why to the new hotel. Often, they will offer to match the rte you had. Or at least give you some discount.

Especially if you offer to complain to your employer about only having a discounted rate at Marriott, and not at [new hotel] chain.
Good suggestion, but this is a resort town (think Vegas) so hotels have all the power. Their standard rate is nearly double my corporate rate and many hotels don't offer any discounted rates at all that they don't have to. They won't lose any sleep over my business, or even the entire company that I work for. The difference is only $10 a day so my rant is really only about the unreliable distance quotations and it being something else I have to research before booking hotels now.
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Old 07-18-2019, 07:07 AM
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This factory has the usual safety rule of "people on foot must walk only on sidewalks or marked crossings".

For the last four weeks, the sidewalk and several of the crossings on the way to our building have been cordoned off; the cordon was removed Tuesday EoB. It's now Thursday afternoon and we just got an email from our grandboss that "it has been brought to my attention that for several weeks now, people in our team have frequently been seen walking on the pavement outside of the crossings. This is unacceptable blahblahyadda".

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Old 07-18-2019, 11:39 AM
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I've sorted myself out here for talking points.

I have a 20-year old co-worker who is just a kid. He doesn't know how to work, he doesn't want to work, he spends more effort trying to find ways to not work than to do the job. I can't really blame him for this. He's a kid. He needs to be taught, he needs to be managed.

The problem is the two assistant managers who can't figure out that the fastest way for this kid to get out of doing any work is to head straight for one of them and start talking. Easy-peasy. A half-hour or an hour of that, neither of them is getting anything done and the kid can wander off and take a break or pretend to do something, having successfully distracted them from his own inactivity.

Worse yet, one of those assistant managers is just as big a screw off and finds his own ways of wandering off, taking excessive breaks and generally not being available. If he doesn't see the kid doing something, he'll go find him. Allegedly to get him back to work, but in practice, it's just another half-hour or more of them both being missing in action.

A third assistant manager has gotten wise to this bullshit and will call the kid out on it and tell him to go do what he's been told to do instead of standing there talking. But not those two guys.

My problem with this is that I hate the feeling that I'm working my ass off with no help while watching my co-workers, including managers, screwing off and not helping. I hate it when I need help but I don't know where the fuck my co-workers even are and I don't trust them to answer me when I call them. (From actual experience of them not answering me.)

Like last night when I have a line of seven people at the register - after about 15 minutes of ringing people up continuously - and the customer asks me if I'm working alone. I looked around the store, didn't see any of my co-workers and said "I have three co-workers somewhere in the building, but you wouldn't know it."

Fuck you lazy bastards, do the job or go home. Or like last night, I'll go home and you can pick up my slack.
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Old 07-18-2019, 03:24 PM
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I've sorted myself out here for talking points.

I have a 20-year old co-worker who is just a kid. He doesn't know how to work, he doesn't want to work, he spends more effort trying to find ways to not work than to do the job. I can't really blame him for this. He's a kid. He needs to be taught, he needs to be managed.
Twenty years old is not a kid. He is old enough to buy a car, fight a war, father a child, and vote. If he doesn't know how to work, it's because his parents failed him, spectacularly. It's possible he's teachable, but it sounds like (most of) the assistant managers are failing just as spectacularly as his parents did. Probably the best thing for him would be to be bounced out the door on his ass, as it's likely to be the only thing that will focus his attention on what the words "work ethic" mean.

I'm not holding my breath, though. It sounds like there are real management problems where you work, and I truly sympathize.
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90% of my work is pretty good. It's still work, but it's not soul-sucking, mind-crushing toil that drains your will to live. I recognize this. I know that I'm very lucky to both have a job and have a job that isn't awful.

So these are relatively minor complaints:
1 - apparently, a not-small contingent of my co-workers were raised by wolves. There are signs above every single sink that say not to leave your dirty dishes in the sink. And there are dirty dishes in every single sink. We've had emails about this. We've had warnings from facilities because those dirty dishes are attracting vermin. We're told over and over again not to leave our crap in the sink - and yet, some people (people who have relatively well paying jobs that require lots of education, lots of experience, or both) can't seem to either clean their dishes by hand or put their dishes into the dishwasher (which are right next to the sinks.)
I've never seen anyone leave their dishes - but there are so many, that it can't be just one person. Part of me wants to put in a webcam and then email those people's guardians and let them know that they failed in raising that person.

2 - I was recently added to a project that is going to go over budget. (It was massively under-budgeted because someone likes small numbers and is always surprised when their projects don't hit the far too low budget set). I was warned today that the project is going to go over.
So, from my POV, there are three options -
1: Do nothing and go over at the rate that we're going.
2: Drastically remove people from my project* and go over at a much slower rate because it will take longer to do the work with fewer people, but still take just as much money (if not more)
3: Can the project.

I know that #3 is not going to happen. I know that #2 is not possible. So, really, I want certain people to quit annoying me about #1. It is a stupid discussion. If I were wasting money, maybe I'd care. But I'm not. This is how much it costs. I'm sorry that someone really wanted to see a tiny number that is not at all in alignment with reality. I get it. You should see my weight on my driver's license. I don't blame the scale, though, when I step on it and it doesn't match the number on the DL.

*just to be clear, removing them from my project means putting them on a different project. They will not lose their jobs. They won't have any career setbacks. Also, they will still get the exact same salary and benefits, so from a big picture, there will be nearly no financial difference to the company as a whole - the only difference is whether $X shows up on my budget or on someone else's.
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Here's a solution to your #1, amarinth: hidden cameras. Surely Facilities could manage that?
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1 - apparently, a not-small contingent of my co-workers were raised by wolves. There are signs above every single sink that say not to leave your dirty dishes in the sink. And there are dirty dishes in every single sink. We've had emails about this. We've had warnings from facilities because those dirty dishes are attracting vermin. We're told over and over again not to leave our crap in the sink - and yet, some people (people who have relatively well paying jobs that require lots of education, lots of experience, or both) can't seem to either clean their dishes by hand or put their dishes into the dishwasher (which are right next to the sinks.)
I've never seen anyone leave their dishes - but there are so many, that it can't be just one person. Part of me wants to put in a webcam and then email those people's guardians and let them know that they failed in raising that person.
One place I worked, the signs said "Dirty dishes left in sink will be discarded", and the janitors were told to do this. (And some us who were annoyed by this were nice enough to help the janitors by tossing dirty dishes in the garbage.) Took only a short while before the problem was fixed.
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One place I worked, the signs said "Dirty dishes left in sink will be discarded", and the janitors were told to do this. (And some us who were annoyed by this were nice enough to help the janitors by tossing dirty dishes in the garbage.) Took only a short while before the problem was fixed.
I had the same thought, but the OP mentioned a dishwasher, so I wonder if the company provides the dishes? Although I've never heard of that . . .
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I had the same thought, but the OP mentioned a dishwasher, so I wonder if the company provides the dishes? Although I've never heard of that . . .
I work in a chemical plant, and each production unit control room has its own kitchenette, as do the labs & admin areas. Each buys dishes out of its own budget. No dishwashers, though. And peer pressure to clean up after yourself is intense, so no passive-aggressive signs are needed. Probably why we have a rule limiting the size of knives -- kitchen or otherwise -- that may be brought into the plant...
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We can't have kitchen-type knives at my workplace anymore because of the Mandoline Incident. (Plastic knives or silverware-type knives are fine though.)
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Old 07-19-2019, 10:52 AM
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The “Mandoline Incident?”



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The “Mandoline Incident?”
I understand it is a close relative to the "Noodle Incident"... https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...alvinAndHobbes

More on point the Mandoline is a type of slicer cooks use which apparently is insanely sharp and has an unfortunate history of removing bits of finger from inattentive users. For example: https://www.thebrooklyncook.com/food...olin-incident/
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I had the same thought, but the OP mentioned a dishwasher, so I wonder if the company provides the dishes? Although I've never heard of that . . .
The company actually does provide coffee cups (we're in the greater Seattle area. People drink a lot of coffee. Providing coffee cups seemed better for the budget & the environment than disposable cups).
But the sinks are full of all types of dishes, coffee cups from work, tupperware and plates from home, etc. Tossing the non-company owned ones would be a start, but not enough.
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:53 PM
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I'm not holding my breath, though. It sounds like there are real management problems where you work, and I truly sympathize.
Store Manager: "You only alienate people when you accuse them of screwing off."

My thoughts, the next day;

Thanks for letting me know that you aren't taking this seriously and don't mean to do anything about it.

This is a short sighted and stupid response. I've already been alienated by their actions and I'm coming to you for a solution, for a change. Telling me "you make people angry when you let them know you're angry about their bullshit" is only slightly obvious and completely irrelevant. Your job as manager is to limit and deal with the bullshit, not deflect, make excuses and wander off satisfied that you "addressed the issue". Because I can promise you that everyone you've said something like this to has walked away KNOWING that you're not going to do anything and remaining disgruntled and angry. They know not to waste their time bringing it to you anymore and they'll just work on leaving. Or they'll start no-call no-showing like everyone else in this place. You think you've won, but you've shot yourself in the foot and lost. I dunno, maybe you don't care if they leave, you can just hire more people, but this is piss-poor management.

I'm one of TWO PEOPLE on your staff who shows up on time every single day. That's it, just two of us out of the 14 people you employ. And you're choosing to piss on my complaints instead of dealing with them. I guess that explains why you have such terrible staff. And it's your fault. Your doing, your creation. You're a shit manager.

But then, the company requires people in your position to work 50 hours per week and you're lying to them and working 25-30 hours per week.
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Today at 4:20 PM, we were told by email that the carpets would be cleaned over the weekend, and we need to take stuff off the floor. It should have been done last weekend, but there was a SNAFU. Okay, carpets need to be cleaned, but...

It's Friday. My office has a policy where you can work extra hours to get some time off, and people usually choose Friday. Sometimes you can leave early, or just not be there. I get every fourth Friday off. So lots of people weren't there.

People have to travel. A lot of people start working at 7:30 AM and, of course, are gone by 3:30 PM. None of these people saw the email. If that had happened next week, I would have been gone almost an hour before the announcement.

My supervisor and I were literally the only people from our team there at the time. We had to take stuff off the floor, and we did that for everyone else on the team. That wasn't really in our job description. My supervisor was supposed to leave half an hour early. Nope.
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I blame the supervisor because I’ve been a supervisor before.

People that seem to always goof off and wander off and shirk working do exist. But there is a large subset of “lazy” workers who are really just uncertain about what they are doing and/or unable to mentally organize a multi-step task. I find those workers more common than the truly lazy, while work may boring, wandering around a warehouse not working is even more boring.

When I was supervising labor crews, I would break down the task for the employee , telling them exactly, step by step, how to complete their task. I might frame it as suggestion but I would tell them exactly what to do. The goal is to remove any opportunities for decision making on the part of the worker. Decisions can really slow down workers. Then I would check up on them frequently, monitoring their progress and giving suggestions/ instructions if I noticed them hesitating. Then I would meet them as they finished that task (because I always knew where everyone was and how far along they were in their current task) and hand them the next one. If the task required any tools or equipment or job tickets, I would gather them up and hand them off to the workers, instead of letting them wander around collecting stuff.

I actually worked really hard as a supervisor, and that’s why the workers liked me. Because I was out there working as hard as they were and helping them, instead of sitting on my butt at the desk like the other supervisors. And I was kind to my workers. And I was effective, I got loaned out to sites that were behind in their goals.

So don’t get pissed off at the kid, blame the supervisor. Who sounds like a horrible specimen.

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So don’t get pissed off at the kid, blame the supervisor. Who sounds like a horrible specimen.
Exactly. I don't blame the kid. He just needs to be led and taught how to work, just like I did at that age, just like the vast majority of everyone their age.

I blame the management staff for letting him get away with it by just throwing up their hands and doing the work for him.

Last night one of the assistant managers, before the kid showed up (late, as he does every day), said "when he comes in, I'm going to tell him to do Task X, and if he gives me any lip, I'm sending him home." So what happens? Kid comes in, gets told to do Task X, starts swearing and refusing to do it, then says he's going to do something completely different and wanders off. Assistant manager throws up his hands, says "I guess he's doing (other task) now" and says he'll do Task X instead of the kid. I fucking laid into him for that cowardly response. It took him a bit, but he went back, had a mildly loud and angry conversation with the kid and, low and behold, Kid went and did Task X. THAT is what being a manager is about, not cowardly caving in every time the kid throws a fit and refuses to do something.

I also told him "The fastest and easiest way for him to get out of doing anything is to come straight to YOU and start up a conversation. Because you'll stand there for a half-hour to an hour EVERY DAMNED TIME, several times a night, talking to him and doing nothing. YOU need to stop allowing this to happen."

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Years ago, some of the ladies thought it would be a lovely idea to have a company picnic on our beautiful green lawn during the regular work week. The company paid for the food and tent/table rentals, some of the guys from the shop brought in grills, and this group of ladies did the food prep. This included slicing onions and tomatoes, which one of the ladies thought would go so much faster if she brought in her mandoline. Unfortunately, she failed to bring in the guard, and managed to put an impressive slice of her thumb in with the onions. She was rushed to Urgent Care, there were no onions available for the picnic, and from that point on management banned any extensive food prep from taking place on site. This put a serious damper on the annual Thanksgiving lunch, as one of the guys from the shop traditionally made fresh egg rolls as part of the event. (He hasn't attended a Thanksgiving lunch since the ban went into effect.)

Bonus for the picnic: it turns out that our beautiful "lawn" is a sort of drainage point for the property, and is perpetually saturated in water. By the time the condition of the "lawn" was noted, it was too late to relocate the grills, and there was nowhere else to put the tables outside. The water was ankle-deep in some places, but you didn't notice it until you stepped in it because of all the nice grass.
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1 - apparently, a not-small contingent of my co-workers were raised by wolves. There are signs above every single sink that say not to leave your dirty dishes in the sink. And there are dirty dishes in every single sink. We've had emails about this. We've had warnings from facilities because those dirty dishes are attracting vermin. We're told over and over again not to leave our crap in the sink - and yet, some people (people who have relatively well paying jobs that require lots of education, lots of experience, or both) can't seem to either clean their dishes by hand or put their dishes into the dishwasher (which are right next to the sinks.)
I've never seen anyone leave their dishes - but there are so many, that it can't be just one person. Part of me wants to put in a webcam and then email those people's guardians and let them know that they failed in raising that person.
Ah yes, the break room slob. A constant irritation to me ( and others ) for 30+ years. Infuriatingly blithe, and yet self-righteous, and it's always the same damn few people.

1) The never wash dishes sorts: They know damned well everyone else gets tired of the eyesore and clutter, and will end up washing them eventually. One smarmy prick would always leave his shit in the sink and say ( when accosted as to his inconsideration ) "they're soaking", even when it's clear he never any intention of cleaning them. What really pissed us off is when he said that, you could tell he knew we all knew he was full of shit, and he always uttered it accompanied with a smirk.

2) The ones, and again, always the same people, who refuse to take their dinner time trash from the table to one of 9 or 10 trash containers in the room. On top of that, they'd take the paper towels they used to wipe their grubby mouths/faces with, or even blew their noses into, crumple them up loosely....and leave them on the table. I've also seen some take off old bandages...and leave them on the fucking table!.

3) The ones that bring in tin foil covered plates of meals from home ( no doubt prepared by their long-suffering wives ) and microwave them uncovered: not a paper towel, or lid, and coat the inside of the microwave oven with nasty shit.

A common thread with all these meatheads is every time they're called on it, every time peer pressure is applied to do the right thing, they do one of two things:

a) Give that oblivious "wha?..wha?" ( what? what? ) with that fake-ass boy-scout face
b) Comply with the requests in a huff, as if anyone that actually gave a damn about the pigsty they created should even care. To them, it's like: "so what, it's just work...the cleaning lady'll get it."

I actually believe they get some kind of "rush" with some sense of "getting away with" being a slob or all-around asshole.
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