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Old 06-06-2019, 07:40 PM
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I'm not big on pitting stuff but this story: Staggering homeless count stuns LA officials just irks me. Everyday I read about rich Hollywood stars and their lifestyle. Hell, there was just a story of Tracy Morgan buying a $2M dollar car. And yet, this homeless situation in LA. Makes me sick, especially when people can't wait to go see a movie, entertainment!, that cost $1B or whatever to make and makes billions.

There is no way that Hollywood is "liberal" or actually cares about people less fortunate than them. I wish they would just stop trying to pretend that they are.

Also, fuck, shit, piss.
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Everyday I read about rich Hollywood stars and their lifestyle.
Why? Personally I avoid that and usually don't have difficulty doing so.
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Why? Personally I avoid that and usually don't have difficulty doing so.
I don't read "People" or anything. But there is one page in the free newspaper that the Washington Post gives out on the metro that has stories of that type.
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I'm not big on pitting stuff but this story: Staggering homeless count stuns LA officials just irks me. Everyday I read about rich Hollywood stars and their lifestyle. Hell, there was just a story of Tracy Morgan buying a $2M dollar car. And yet, this homeless situation in LA. Makes me sick, especially when people can't wait to go see a movie, entertainment!, that cost $1B or whatever to make and makes billions.

There is no way that Hollywood is "liberal" or actually cares about people less fortunate than them. I wish they would just stop trying to pretend that they are.

Also, fuck, shit, piss.
Why would they stop pretending when itís profitable?
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I don't read "People" or anything. But there is one page in the free newspaper that the Washington Post gives out on the metro that has stories of that type.
Do you like movies? Is that why you take more interest in these people than others out there who also immerse themselves in frivolous luxuries while disconnected from the downtrodden?

It's honestly foreign to me. I was rarely allowed to watch movies as a child and have never gotten much into them or why these people's opinions are rationally considered consequential beyond the fact that, like those others their money can influence political clout.
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I'm not big on pitting stuff but this story: Staggering homeless count stuns LA officials just irks me. Everyday I read about rich Hollywood stars and their lifestyle. Hell, there was just a story of Tracy Morgan buying a $2M dollar car.
With that kind of capital, he could've eradicated homelessness by giving every indigent person in Los Angeles $33.89. What a dick!
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To be fair to Mr. Morgan, he is in NYC...
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To be fair to Mr. Morgan, he is in NYC...
That doesn't fit the whining narrative, though, so we'll just ignore it.
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One question for OP: Why did that guy pay two million bucks for a dollar car?
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How much celebrity money would it take to solve LA's homelessness problem?
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manson1972, you seem to be starting with the assumption that because you read a lot about rich actors, they must be the richest people in the U.S. First, actors aren't even the richest people in the film production business. Here's an article giving average annual incomes for various professions in the film business:

http://money.com/money/4965728/movie...t-paid-actors/

Furthermore, the average annual incomes for people in the film business aren't the richest for any business. There are lots of jobs with higher average annual incomes. Here are some:

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/26/the-...n-america.html

If you really want to make a huge amount of money, become the CEO of one of the top 500 companies:

http://money.com/money/5287123/ceo-pay-afl-cio/

The people you read a lot about are not the richest people. The richest people try to stay out of the news. Here's the Forbes list of the richest people in the U.S. Note how few are connected with the film industry:

https://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/list/
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Old 06-07-2019, 01:29 AM
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Old 06-07-2019, 07:20 AM
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manson1972, you seem to be starting with the assumption that because you read a lot about rich actors, they must be the richest people in the U.S. First, actors aren't even the richest people in the film production business. Here's an article giving average annual incomes for various professions in the film business:

http://money.com/money/4965728/movie...t-paid-actors/

Furthermore, the average annual incomes for people in the film business aren't the richest for any business. There are lots of jobs with higher average annual incomes. Here are some:

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/26/the-...n-america.html

If you really want to make a huge amount of money, become the CEO of one of the top 500 companies:

http://money.com/money/5287123/ceo-pay-afl-cio/

The people you read a lot about are not the richest people. The richest people try to stay out of the news. Here's the Forbes list of the richest people in the U.S. Note how few are connected with the film industry:

https://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/list/
I don't assume they are the richest people in the US. I assume they are of the liberal persuasion, since they espouse those ideals on TV and such. Instead of glamourous shots of actors at swank parties and red carpets, how about photos of them at the LA homeless camp actually doing something?

If they don't want to do anything, or don't actually care, then fine. But don't act like they do.
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Old 06-07-2019, 07:22 AM
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One question for OP: Why did that guy pay two million bucks for a dollar car?
Because he's stupid?
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Old 06-07-2019, 08:10 AM
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Reasonable pitting. IMO it's always reasonable to pit rich people if/when they're not doing enough to help those suffering around them.
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Incidentally, Tracy Morgan is only worth $12 million, so spending $2 million on a car was ridiculous. (You're going to say that that's still a lot of money. 1.07% of Americans are worth more than $10 million. 0.07% are worth more than $50 million.) Let me correct one other thing in the OP. No movie has ever cost $1 billion to make. The most one has cost is $412 million. You should learn about how much money is thrown around in businesses other than entertainment.
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Also, the fact that some actors and other entertainers talk publicly about liberal causes doesn't mean that they are all liberal. A lot of entertainers are conservatives. They just don't go out of their way to discuss it.
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If they don't want to do anything, or don't actually care, then fine. But don't act like they do.
Is the assumption that because the homeless still exist in Los Angeles that none of these so-called liberal actors are doing nothing to address the situation? How do you know that they're not? Perhaps they advocate for changes in government policies and programs to address the issue. Perhaps they contribute to programs that address the issue. Who knows? Certainly not you.
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Old 06-07-2019, 08:30 AM
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Incidentally, Tracy Morgan is only worth $12 million, so spending $2 million on a car was ridiculous. (You're going to say that that's still a lot of money. 1.07% of Americans are worth more than $10 million. 0.07% are worth more than $50 million.) Let me correct one other thing in the OP. No movie has ever cost $1 billion to make. The most one has cost is $412 million. You should learn about how much money is thrown around in businesses other than entertainment.
Well, I feel the same about sports and sports stars. But I don't really see sports stars on TV bragging about how liberal they are, or being held up as examples of liberalism. It's usually "Look how awesome I am, I bought all my teammates $30,000 watches!"
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And the elephant in the room, you can't solve homelessness just by throwing money at it. A large proportion of homeless people are homeless not because they can't afford a home, but because of various sorts of mental illnesses. Some of those mental illnesses, we can't treat, or can only barely treat. Some of them, we can, but only with the consent and cooperation of the patient, and one manifestation of the mental illness is that they refuse treatment. And even in those relatively rare cases where the problem is as simple as lack of money, the people who need the help might not even know that it's available, and then there are significant logistic issues in getting the help to those who need it while preventing abuse of the system.
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I don't speak French, but shouldn't the title be LES Homeless?
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Because he's stupid?

I was making a joke about the redundancy in your OP.
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I don't assume they are the richest people in the US. I assume they are of the liberal persuasion, since they espouse those ideals on TV and such. Instead of glamourous shots of actors at swank parties and red carpets, how about photos of them at the LA homeless camp actually doing something?

If they don't want to do anything, or don't actually care, then fine. But don't act like they do.
So this is liberal bashing and you don't really give a fuck about the homeless. You have absolutely no idea how they feel, what charity work they do, what charities they donate to, or even what political views they have. (Hint, some are actually Republicans)

But never let facts get in the way of a good story. Or stupid rant.

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. . . or being held up as examples of liberalism.
You know who holds up movie stars as "examples of liberalism"? Conservatives.

The left does not idolize Hollywood for being a bastion of liberal good examples. Your premise here is flawed in the extreme.
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Tracy Morgan grew up in the projects. If he can afford a few million dollar car today, more power to him! I'd like to see a fuckwad like Trump start there, then, and be where Mr. Morgan is today.

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Tracy Morgan is worth way more than $12 Million after the Walmart Settlement, supposedly court documents state him and a fellow comedian got as much as $90 million, not sure if that's for the both of them together or what. I still wouldn't buy a car that expensive if I was that rich.

This thread also makes me think about the threatened Hollywood boycotts over abortion legislation in states like Georgia. I thought about starting a thread about it. I have a friend that works on movies and tv shows in the Atlanta film industry. Georgia has been turning slowly purple especially with the recent rise of the film industry. All these lower people in the tier of movie production like set dressers, prop masters, graphic designers are for the most part hardcore liberals, they are not the ones in favor of restricting abortions but if the film industry pulls out at the behest of director, famous actors, producers and higher ups in the business, sure the state suffers but they're probably actually hurting the people that agree with them the most. It sounds counter-productive, burning bridges with the people that agree with you, those are the ones you are putting out of work who can't afford to relocate to California most likely.

I don't think Hollywood Actors really understand or at least care about the little people in their industry even though they are on the same side.
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Robin Williams had it in his contract that any production he was involved in must hire a certain number of homeless people in the filming area to do non technical jobs.
Jodie Foster is rather well known to help out with homeless charities as well as having made several documentaries raising awareness of the issue.
Susan Sarandon has testified before Congress to raise funds to fight violence against homelessness.

That's just off the top of my head.
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Reasonable pitting. IMO it's always reasonable to pit rich people if/when they're not doing enough to help those suffering around them.
How much is enough though? That's a question for which I have never seen a good answer.

I mean, would we be cheering Morgan had he paid a million toward the homeless, and bought a car that only cost 1 million? What about 1.5 million and a 500k car? Or if he'd just not given any money and bought a 75k car?
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How much is enough though? That's a question for which I have never seen a good answer.
"Enough" is when there are no longer homeless and/or suffering people out there.

My point is that the wealthy should always and forever be obligated (morally speaking) with a burden to use their wealth to help others. That never goes away, IMO. If I ever became wealthy, I should be continually obligated and reminded of that obligation to help those less fortunate then I am.

I'll add that I'm pretty damn fortunate (if not wealthy, at least IMO). And if someone challenged me and said I wasn't doing enough to help the homeless and suffering people, they'd probably be correct.

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I don't speak French, but shouldn't the title be LES Homeless?
Since I don't speak Spanish either, maybe it should be LOS Homeless.
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In 2008, Jolie announced plans to open an AIDS & tuberculosis clinic in Ethiopia, the country from which her daughter Zahara Marley was adopted. Already, a portion of the $2 million was donated to the Global Health Committee has gone to medications to treat these diseases, which are ravaging the country”.

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So, manson1972....what have you done for the underprivileged?
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And the elephant in the room, you can't solve homelessness just by throwing money at it. A large proportion of homeless people are homeless not because they can't afford a home, but because of various sorts of mental illnesses. Some of those mental illnesses, we can't treat, or can only barely treat. Some of them, we can, but only with the consent and cooperation of the patient, and one manifestation of the mental illness is that they refuse treatment. And even in those relatively rare cases where the problem is as simple as lack of money, the people who need the help might not even know that it's available, and then there are significant logistic issues in getting the help to those who need it while preventing abuse of the system.
While that is true, you're talking about the eradication of homelessness. The issue now is that there are more homeless than ever, an increase that outpaces the general population increase. That suggests that there IS a solvable problem in the mix, along with the unsolvable base issue, because the situation has changed. And in the last 30 years, the entire employment sector has changed, from what jobs there are to how one acquires them; housing and education costs have risen enormously, as have individual debt burdens; many people live far away from close relatives, and in general have fewer close relatives than we did before birth control became widely available; L.A. in particular has tons of people whose roots (and thus deep social safety nets) are elsewhere.
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Millions of people spend money on cigarettes instead of helping the homeless.

Just teasing ya there, Manson. I don't see how blaming actors helps anything. And, "liberal" far more often seems like an accusation than something people self-identity as, so appealing to "liberal values" might not be too effective.

All decent people should have values. Dragging "liberalism" into it just confuses things IMHO.
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Not true, while some issues like inadequate mental health facilities may be partially a function of society, if someone gets hooked on crack and looses everything it sure as hell not my fault.
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"Enough" is when there are no longer homeless and/or suffering people out there.

My point is that the wealthy should always and forever be obligated (morally speaking) with a burden to use their wealth to help others. That never goes away, IMO. If I ever became wealthy, I should be continually obligated and reminded of that obligation to help those less fortunate then I am.

I'll add that I'm pretty damn fortunate (if not wealthy, at least IMO). And if someone challenged me and said I wasn't doing enough to help the homeless and suffering people, they'd probably be correct.
Not to hijack, but what's "wealthy" in this context? I mean, anyone who's got their needs met (meaning themselves and their family) could probably afford to give something, but nobody's expecting anyone to buy Busch Light instead of craft beer because there are homeless people out there, and the $3 difference per six-pack could add up over time.

And what does suffering mean? That's awfully indistinct as well.

That's the problem- it's always vague, and something of an implied guilt trip to anyone who's not breaking even.
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This thread also makes me think about the threatened Hollywood boycotts over abortion legislation in states like Georgia. I thought about starting a thread about it. I have a friend that works on movies and tv shows in the Atlanta film industry. Georgia has been turning slowly purple especially with the recent rise of the film industry. All these lower people in the tier of movie production like set dressers, prop masters, graphic designers are for the most part hardcore liberals, they are not the ones in favor of restricting abortions but if the film industry pulls out at the behest of director, famous actors, producers and higher ups in the business, sure the state suffers but they're probably actually hurting the people that agree with them the most. It sounds counter-productive, burning bridges with the people that agree with you, those are the ones you are putting out of work who can't afford to relocate to California most likely.
It's about denying massive tax revenue to governments attempting to oppress others. Costume designers and set dressers in LA lose out when movies are filmed in Georgia and elsewhere, too. Which group is larger, the 5,000 movie workers, or the 30,000 women who would be denied the right to control their own body?
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Not to hijack, but what's "wealthy" in this context? I mean, anyone who's got their needs met (meaning themselves and their family) could probably afford to give something, but nobody's expecting anyone to buy Busch Light instead of craft beer because there are homeless people out there, and the $3 difference per six-pack could add up over time.

And what does suffering mean? That's awfully indistinct as well.

That's the problem- it's always vague, and something of an implied guilt trip to anyone who's not breaking even.
This is all subjective and just my opinion; I don't have an exact cutoff. IMO, most wealthy people should feel some guilt -- that kind of guilt might motivate them to do more. Most of them aren't bad people -- they're just people. But people with the incredible privilege of US-style (or Western-style) wealth have a moral obligation to help those less fortunate, and in my experience few of them (including my wealthy relatives who are very nice people!) feel much of this guilt or obligation, and I think they ought to.

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Robin Williams had it in his contract that any production he was involved in must hire a certain number of homeless people in the filming area to do non technical jobs.
Jodie Foster is rather well known to help out with homeless charities as well as having made several documentaries raising awareness of the issue.
Susan Sarandon has testified before Congress to raise funds to fight violence against homelessness.

That's just off the top of my head.
Good for Robin Williams.

Jodie Foster just sold her home for almost $15 million.

Susan Sarandon has a $12 million dollar California home. And various other million-dollar properties.

They don't care about the homeless. The fact that you think they do just proves my point.
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So, manson1972....what have you done for the underprivileged?
Good for those celebrities.

I'm not in the habit of disclosing what I may or may not do for the underprivileged. I'm not rich. If I was, I would certainly do so, in the hopes that other rich people would follow suit. I wouldn't drive by the homeless in LA to my $12 million mansion.
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Good for Robin Williams.

Jodie Foster just sold her home for almost $15 million.

Susan Sarandon has a $12 million dollar California home. And various other million-dollar properties.

They don't care about the homeless. The fact that you think they do just proves my point.
Let me get this straight: they don't care about the homeless because, although they are active in charity work benefitting the homeless, they are still rich.

What would you have them do? What could possibly satisfy you?

I mean, I really do think that $10 million homes are excessive, and income inequality and the existence of the super-rich are not good for society, but criticizing people for not giving away enough of their wealth is illogical. If we felt that people were obligated to give up a portion of their wealth in order to benefit society, we would tax them. We used to, but decided it would be more efficient to rely on ad hoc charitable giving that sustainable programs to help the indigent.

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What would you have them do? What could possibly satisfy you?
For an example, I mistakenly had TMZ on the TV tonight, and learned that Rihanna is worth $600 million dollars. I would have her go on TV and say "I'm donating $100 million dollars of my own money to help alleviate homelessness in LA"

That would satisfy me. Since there is no real difference between $600 million and $500 million.
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For an example, I mistakenly had TMZ on the TV tonight, and learned that Rihanna is worth $600 million dollars. I would have her go on TV and say "I'm donating $100 million dollars of my own money to help alleviate homelessness in LA"

That would satisfy me. Since there is no real difference between $600 million and $500 million.
So it is okay for Rihanna to keep $500 million, but unacceptable for otherwhosis to have sold a $15 million house. Okay.

You know who has way more than $600 million? The federal and state governments. You know who is in a better position to do something to alleviate the worst effects of homelessness? The federal and state governments. But by all means, let's blame the overpaid celebrities. It's clearly their fault.
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So it is okay for Rihanna to keep $500 million, but unacceptable for otherwhosis to have sold a $15 million house. Okay
Depends on their net worth

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You know who has way more than $600 million? The federal and state governments. You know who is in a better position to do something to alleviate the worst effects of homelessness? The federal and state governments. But by all means, let's blame the overpaid celebrities. It's clearly their fault.
You know who doesn't go on TV and say "I'm so #woke. blah blah blah"? Federal and state governments.

You know who doesn't drive by homeless camps in LA to their million-dollar mansions? Federal and state governments.
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To repeat a list from earlier, here are 400 Americans who could give away half their fortunes and still be richer than Rihanna:

https://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/list/

Why aren't you asking these people to give away more of their money? Why are you talking just about people in the entertainment community? Is it because you don't actually know how money is distributed in the U.S., where the amount that people in the entertainment industry own isn't nearly as much as the amount that people in many other businesses own? Is it because you want to blame liberals for everything, and the only way you can do it is to pick on people in the entertainment industry, since you think that they are mostly liberals? Why do you think that they are mostly liberals? Have you actually done any research on their political opinions, or did you just see a headline on a tabloid about one liberal actor and decided that this proves they must mostly be liberals?

I don't think it's any worse for someone to preach about helping the homeless and not give away most of their fortune than it is for someone to publicly scorn the homeless and not give away most of their fortune. I can't do anything about people's free speech. I can do something about the tax structure in the U.S. I don't waste time reading about what celebrities say about politics. They aren't experts on it. Read things by people who are actual experts on politics and economics, not things by people in an irrelevant field like entertainment.
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For an example, I mistakenly had TMZ on the TV tonight, and learned that Rihanna is worth $600 million dollars. I would have her go on TV and say "I'm donating $100 million dollars of my own money to help alleviate homelessness in LA"

That would satisfy me. Since there is no real difference between $600 million and $500 million.
You know, I don't even know what religion she is, if any, but my own says that one should not publicize one's donations to charity unless one expects the publicity to help the cause.

Would Rihanna publicizing any and all donations she makes (and which right now you have no idea if she makes any, or by how much) lead to you donating money or time to those causes? 'Cos if not, and since you're also not any taxation authority to which she's beholden, it's none of your business honey.
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My point is that the wealthy should always and forever be obligated (morally speaking) with a burden to use their wealth to help others. That never goes away, IMO. If I ever became wealthy, I should be continually obligated and reminded of that obligation to help those less fortunate then I am.
I'm not even sure you have to wait until you're wealthy. I've only just re-entered the lower middle class from the bottom up and yet I am helping to support a soup kitchen and have helped furnish the new homes of two needy people in the past three months. If collectively we all want a better society then I'd say we all need to help those less fortunate.

Of course, the extent of my help is going to be less than that of a millionaire (or billionaire) simply because I have fewer resources. The more resources a person has the greater the moral obligation to use that wealth wisely. IMHO. Of course, others have different opinions.
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Good for Robin Williams.

Jodie Foster just sold her home for almost $15 million.

Susan Sarandon has a $12 million dollar California home. And various other million-dollar properties.

They don't care about the homeless. The fact that you think they do just proves my point.
Caring about the homeless and helping others does not require the philanthropist to beggar him/herself in the process.

You're setting up an impossible situation there.
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