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Old 12-26-2018, 09:10 PM
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Mongolian Folk Rock


I had no idea this was a thing.

It was linked in a FB group I'm in with little to no explanation. I listened. Then I listened again.

Then I got an axe and went out to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and hear the lamentation of their women. I did hit up iTunes fist, though, and downloaded both songs of theirs I could find.
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I really like that!

Better than the bands that I've heard before: Modest Mongolian Mouse, My Mongol Jacket, Ulaanbaatar-a-palooza, or Camper Van Mongoloid.
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I came across this amazing performance of 苍狼大地 (roughly . Wolf Land/Land of the Wolf) by 譚晶 (Tan Jing) on the Chinese Version of King of Mask Singer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIe4eQi8Ars

When I heard it the first time, I immediately thought it was Mongolian. I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's not sung in Mongolian, but Mandarin. The guy in audience crying is me. Just incredible!

Edit: I never thought I'd say this, but after nearly 40 years, someone has outdone Clare Torry vocals on The Great Gig in the Sky

There's the original by 腾格尔 (Tenger/Tengri): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cdE0zrR1Zo

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That's some strange awesome music there. I really like when bands use folk music and instruments in music. I wish more bands would try and do stuff like that.
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Someone I went to grade/high school with up and moved to Russia and is currently managing a Tuvan Throat Singing band (he even did a TEDx talk a few years ago). There's clearly influences from that in the singers vocals. I'd be willing to say the vocals are throat singing. Just a bit clearer and buried in modern instruments.

Also, the guy in the first video has my ringtone. Had me looking around for my phone.
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You might like Heilung, sort of a proto-norsk thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRg_8NNPTD8
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I had no idea this was a thing.

It was linked in a FB group I'm in with little to no explanation. I listened. Then I listened again.

Then I got an axe and went out to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and hear the lamentation of their women. I did hit up iTunes fist, though, and downloaded both songs of theirs I could find.
Thanks for sharing, great stuff! If Immortan Joe used them instead of the Doof Warrior, Max and Furiosa would be history!
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I think it's safe to say that I'd really rather not have to fight those guys, in any form.
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Then I got an axe and went out to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and hear the lamentation of their women. I did hit up iTunes fist, though, and downloaded both songs of theirs I could find.
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I think it's safe to say that I'd really rather not have to fight those guys, in any form.
If you turn on YouTube's closed captioning, you get an English translation of the lyrics. They have a high opinion of Genghis Khan.
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Everything comes around again, I guess - it's been a while since Yat Kha were the latest thing.

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Everything comes around again, I guess - it's been a while since Yat Kha were the latest thing.
Good stuff, but there's something viscerally barbaric (in a good way!) about The Hu's Wolf Totem.

The FB group page I first saw it on was for U.S. Army Tankers and Cavalry Scouts, and the guy posting it was basically (jokingly) nominating it for the official song of Cavalry Scouts.

I've heard worse suggestion than Wolf Totem.
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That's some strange awesome music there. I really like when bands use folk music and instruments in music. I wish more bands would try and do stuff like that.
There is a lot of music from west African countries that have that mix of traditional and modern instruments. Much of it is mesmerizing.
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FWIW, Wolf Totem is showing on FB as being WILDLY popular with active duty and vets of the Armor and Cavalry persuasion.
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I have one of two-stringed instruments played with a bow called Morin Khuur or “horsehead fiddles.” It's from Inner Mongolia, and never been played. Looks cool on top of the piano though.

Lingyi, Tan Jian is obviously singing in Mandarin, or at least my non native mandarin ears are picking up some obvious mandarin wording. Maybe intersped with some Mongolian?

I love the throat singing. Tibetan monks do these when chanting. It is simply mesmerizing. I still have multiple memories from the 1980's being awakened in the dark to the sound of the long Tibetan horns calling the monks to prayer. Making my way through still star lit skies into a huge hall with dozens and in some case hundreds of monks seated cross legged in rows, chanting with steam rising off of their short cropped hair, lit by the soft glow of hundreds of yak butter lamps, and the throat chanting would go one for what seemed hours as dawn would break through the temple lattice.
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I like this. Good to learn of it.
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They have a high opinion of Genghis Khan.
But of course. When the Father of the Nation is almost surely the champion badass of history's conquerors' league (getting there the hard way), admiration is to be expected. If any dude was Metal it was Temudjin.

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Lingyi, Tan Jian is obviously singing in Mandarin, or at least my non native mandarin ears are picking up some obvious mandarin wording. Maybe intersped with some Mongolian?
I never paid attention to the lyrics until I linked to the the Karaoke MV from Tenger and noticed it stated it was in Mandarin. Like you, I know just enough Mandarin to usually recognize it when I hear it and I'm 99% sure the entire song is in Mandarin as Mongolian sounds completely different.

Amazing song and performance by Tan Jing though!
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Mongolian group Khusugtun made it to the finals of Asia's Got Talent with their throat singing. They are a bit more traditional in their singing, but equally as metal as HU.
https://youtu.be/KCpuMPtaGFk
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Everything comes around again, I guess - it's been a while since Yat Kha were the latest thing.
Great stuff, thanks for the linkys but I wouldn’t really call it rock.
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Great stuff, thanks for the linkys but I wouldn’t really call it rock.
Not the Love Will Tear Us Apart cover or the live ensemble one, but Coming Buddha rocks out with a sock on its cock...
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Mongolian metal bad "The Hu"


They're different. I like it. Two of their videos are linked in the article.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...-youtube-views
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My exposure to Mongolian Folk Metal has been the following track that Pandora played for my on my station that has a mix of all sorts of things that I'm into. Tenggar Calvary's "The Expedition".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx1YQSZ5fjs
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Bumping this thread. Somehow I missed it on the first pass, and came here looking after my brother recently turned me on to these guys. For anyone interested, they released a complete album last month, and there are now more videos available on YouTube. I particularly like Song of Women.
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It's rare anymore for me to find new music that I like, so I'm happy when something I like this comes along. These guys are really good.
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OMG! I am not the only Hu fan here? This is why I love the Dope!!!
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Been listening to it for years, since I started listening to hun hur tuu .. chira xur is my introductory song for most people ... I can just hear the little pony trotting along.
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I'm gonna guess most people in Mongolia do. Judging by his Wikipedia page, you can't swing a dead cat in that country without hitting a monument to him.

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It's been a year since you wrote that, but if you're still interested, here ya go.
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I'm not sure what to think about the vocals but the music in all the linked examples is mesmerizing.

Has anyone here tried throat singing or at least understand how it's done? I cannot seem to wrap my mind around how one would produce those sounds. I remember an episode of Big Bang Theory where Sheldon was practicing it. I assumed the sound was dubbed but maybe Jim Parsons knows how to do it. It doesn't sound human
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Heck, I have a pretty high opinion of Genghis Khan. I mean, I don't know how nice a guy he was, or anything like that, but his ability as a conqueror is pretty much indisputable.
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I love when people incorporate their traditional or non-pop instruments and singing styles into new music. (Best example ever: SsingSsing, the exquisite glam Korean folk group.)

I still like old-school Huun Huur Tu that I first heard in the '90s. My two old favorites are Eki Attar and Aa-Shuu Dekei-Oo
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Has anyone here tried throat singing or at least understand how it's done? I cannot seem to wrap my mind around how one would produce those sounds.
Takes years to get good at it. Regular schlubs just use their vocal chords to make speech. These guys pay attention to the whole larynx and other bits of the throat and tongue. Here's a walk through. If you've got nothing to do all day every day for decades except scan the heath for wolves while your herd slowly turns grass into hair, you could get pretty good at using all the real estate between your chest and lips to make all manner of noises not normally heard in polite company.

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Takes years to get good at it. Regular schlubs just use their vocal chords to make speech. These guys pay attention to the whole larynx and other bits of the throat and tongue. Here's a walk through. If you've got nothing to do all day every day for decades except scan the heath for wolves while your herd slowly turns grass into hair, you could get pretty good at using all the real estate between your chest and lips to make all manner of noises not normally heard in polite company.
Cool! I probably ought not try it here at work, but it's something to do on the drive home. I wonder if it's harmful, or possibly good for you in some way.
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Makes me cough till I nearly pass out. So maybe not on the drive home
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Whelp, I missed this thread the first time around.
Just watched the vids in ExTank's op (along with some of the stuff posted by others) and while I dunno about crushing and driving my enemies before me, surely the airag is ready by now? I suddenly want to try some.
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It's been something of a source of amusement to me how, in the 1980s, metal bands deliberately mocked traditional "folk" styles - I can remember a couple of songs that started with some old-style record playing, interrupted by a needle scratch, and then the screaming guitars and vocals came in (Example: Fast as a Shark) - and now metal bands are deliberately incorporating folk/traditional elements into the music.
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It's always been the case that skilled musicians, of any genre, will incorporate bits and pieces of other genres that they're exposed to. It's just more noticeable now, now that we have the Internet and can more easily share music (both so the artists can be exposed to more variety, and so the good works that result can be more widely spread).
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Well, well... says there they happen to be touring the USA right now...
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It's always been the case that skilled musicians, of any genre, will incorporate bits and pieces of other genres that they're exposed to. It's just more noticeable now, now that we have the Internet and can more easily share music (both so the artists can be exposed to more variety, and so the good works that result can be more widely spread).
Indeed - I always enjoy finding things like bluegrass renditions of metal songs. One hilarious side effect of that kind of thing, though, is the inevitable fan of the original artist in the comment section, raging about how, "James Hetfield would be so pissed off if he saw this!", completely failing to understand that most actual musicians don't just listen to their own genre, and in fact for a lot of them, the genre they're famous for is simply the genre they "got lucky" with after trying their hand at a variety of other styles. I mean, witness videos on YouTube of Bon Scott singing backup in a bubblegum pop band, and later singing lead and playing the recorder in a prog band, in the years before he got famous with AC/DC.


But I'm talking more about how a lot of metal bands now feature "folk" instruments, played on a regular basis by regular members of the band, as opposed to bringing them in "as needed" as a novelty. There's a Finnish band called Turisas that includes a violin and an accordion, and though there are guitars in the band, the violinist is the "lead" player, providing most of the solos.
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Well, it looks like tonight is going to be a folk metal night!

Just in case anyone is looking for more bands that combine rock/metal with traditional instruments and styles I'll recommend Eluveitie, Korpiklaani, and the mighty Tyr, a band that despite being a "normal" four man metal band incorporates traditional Faroese folk songs into their work.
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