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Are you the universe?


I see this line tossed around a lot and to me there just doesn’t seem to be evidence that we are nothing but a body. Yet does the law of conservation of matter factor into this?
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Well I just heard it used a lot and wondered if they meant it literally or figuratively. Or if it is true.

They said that before you there was the universe, but the atoms that make up my body didn’t always exist (the Big Bang was mostly hydrogen and helium).
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I'm wondering--did you get any splinters in your fingers ripping through the bottom of the barrel to reach this question?
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Yes.

Well, technically, no. The pronoun "you" in English is used for both second-person singular and second-person plural, but there's no real established use of "you" as second-person superplural. The sense in which my answer to "who are you" is "the universe" is at the superplural level, the all-encompassing sense of self.
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No. You are, physically, an infinitisimally small speck in the universe.

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Yes.

Well, technically, no. The pronoun "you" in English is used for both second-person singular and second-person plural, but there's no real established use of "you" as second-person superplural. The sense in which my answer to "who are you" is "the universe" is at the superplural level, the all-encompassing sense of self.
That made no sense to me at all.
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Are you really looking for sensible answers to a nonsensical question?
How do you know it’s nonsense?
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That made no sense to me at all.
Then you're in the same boat as most of us in one of your threads.
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The universe is an area of space at least tens of billions of light-years across populated by many trillions of trillions of stars and probably a similar number of planets. If you think that there is a chance that you are an area of space at least tens of billions of light-years across populated by many trillions of trillions of stars and probably a similar number of planets then your mind is further gone than it already seemed.
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Yes.

Well, technically, no. The pronoun "you" in English is used for both second-person singular and second-person plural, but there's no real established use of "you" as second-person superplural. The sense in which my answer to "who are you" is "the universe" is at the superplural level, the all-encompassing sense of self.
This is brilliant.
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This is brilliant.
Is it? Because it makes no sense.

AS for the rest, my guess is that it's looking at the universe as some kind of super organism. Or not. It's usually followed by there being no birth or death, that what looks like birth is just rearranging matter and that there is nothing new it's all just one thing.
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OR to show what the center I got it from said:

Level 1: Throwing away remembered thoughts
Level 2: Throwing away images of myself, images of human relationships, and myself
Level 3: Throwing away the body of my self
Level 4: Throwing away the body of my self and the universe
Level 5: Throwing away the body of my self and the universe
Level 6: My self disappears and Become the universe
Level 7: Throwing away the picture world and myself living in that world
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Is it? Because it makes no sense.

AS for the rest, my guess is that it's looking at the universe as some kind of super organism. Or not. It's usually followed by there being no birth or death, that what looks like birth is just rearranging matter and that there is nothing new it's all just one thing.

Gotta look into that bulk discount on irony meters...
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I see this line tossed around a lot and to me there just doesn’t seem to be evidence that we are nothing but a body. Yet does the law of conservation of matter factor into this?
I've never heard this phrase before in my life. Who says this?
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I've never heard this phrase before in my life. Who says this?
I predict the answer will be "they." I'm not clairvoyant. I've just read enough of his threads to have they-ja vu.
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They said that before you there was the universe, but the atoms that make up my body didn’t always exist (the Big Bang was mostly hydrogen and helium).
This is almost certainly true. Once the universe cooled sufficiently for atoms to start forming, the vast majority of matter was in the form of hydrogen, with tiny tiny amounts of helium and lithium. I should say the majority of "normal" matter, because there's all the dark matter as well, and who the hell knows what that is.

Larger atoms started to form largely once stars came into existence (something on the order of 500 million to 1 billion years) and started merrily engaging in fusion in their cores. In general, that allows for atoms up to iron size, meaning basically everything that you are made of. The really big honking stars would (and still do) occasionally go supernova, produce even bigger atoms and then blow up, seeding the universe with more massive elements. So the trace amounts of copper and nickel and whatever that you have floating around in you came from the corpses of exploding stars.

The upshot is this: your physical, chemical makeup isn't that special. Your body is made up of the same kinds of atoms as everything else, but the proportions are different than the Universe as a whole because you happen to be standing on one of the very, very rare chunks of dense matter.
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No. You are, physically, an infinitisimally small speck in the universe.
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You are part of the universe, so when you ask if I'm the universe you are asking if you are the universe.

My mass is a part of this galaxy and the mass of this galaxy interacts with other galaxies. There may even be quantum phenomenon in space that emit two photons that can be detected in different galaxies, but the results can only be confirmed at the speed of light so it wouldn't be known about in the lifetime of our race.
The thing is, this thread was created and there were already many replies to it before I was ever aware of it. That's good because not knowing everything makes things interesting. Perhaps what you are getting at is things would be better if it was all under one central control. That would be kind of boring and do away with free will. Besides, if say you wanted to orchestrate a few billion people it would take the brain power of a few billion people to process all the things they are doing. All those brains in one head would be an inconvenient solution. Instead, the universe put all those brains where their needed and I'm sure they are doing the best they can.

So, whether we are all part of a fully connected whole or not it may not matter much. We each have awareness of a limited part of the universe around us and our influence on it isn't all that strong on a cosmic scale. But that doesn't mean what we do isn't important. We can be either a positive or negative influence on the universe around us and that is especially important to the bits of the universe that are other people. As usual the best thing to do is keep an open mind, be kind and act honourably. It might make it one of the better parts of the universe. That's the privilege the living bits of the universe have over the inanimate bits. And you don't even need quantum detectatron to do it.

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Level 2: Throwing away images of myself, images of human relationships, and myself
Level 3: Throwing away the body of my self
Level 4: Throwing away the body of my self and the universe
Level 5: Throwing away the body of my self and the universe
Level 6: My self disappears and Become the universe
Level 7: Throwing away the picture world and myself living in that world
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Level 1: Throwing away remembered thoughts
Level 2: Throwing away images of myself, images of human relationships, and myself
Level 3: Throwing away the body of my self
Level 4: Throwing away the body of my self and the universe
Level 5: Throwing away the body of my self and the universe
Level 6: My self disappears and Become the universe
Level 7: Throwing away the picture world and myself living in that world
You know, you should really try to recycle more.
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I see this line tossed around a lot and to me there just doesn’t seem to be evidence that we are nothing but a body. Yet does the law of conservation of matter factor into this?
The conservation of matter is physics, and your question is meta-physics. Your inability to see that these are separate is part of why you keep torturing yourself with nonsense worries.
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You are part of the universe, so when you ask if I'm the universe you are asking if you are the universe.

My mass is a part of this galaxy and the mass of this galaxy interacts with other galaxies. There may even be quantum phenomenon in space that emit two photons that can be detected in different galaxies, but the results can only be confirmed at the speed of light so it wouldn't be known about in the lifetime of our race.
The thing is, this thread was created and there were already many replies to it before I was ever aware of it. That's good because not knowing everything makes things interesting. Perhaps what you are getting at is things would be better if it was all under one central control. That would be kind of boring and do away with free will. Besides, if say you wanted to orchestrate a few billion people it would take the brain power of a few billion people to process all the things they are doing. All those brains in one head would be an inconvenient solution. Instead, the universe put all those brains where their needed and I'm sure they are doing the best they can.

So, whether we are all part of a fully connected whole or not it may not matter much. We each have awareness of a limited part of the universe around us and our influence on it isn't all that strong on a cosmic scale. But that doesn't mean what we do isn't important. We can be either a positive or negative influence on the universe around us and that is especially important to the bits of the universe that are other people. As usual the best thing to do is keep an open mind, be kind and act honourably. It might make it one of the better parts of the universe. That's the privilege the living bits of the universe have over the inanimate bits. And you don't even need quantum detectatron to do it.
Except that nothing we do matters, that’s pretty much the first rule of existence.

And this is more about you being the universe which even by physics laws isn’t true. You are just a piece of a great whole, made up of smaller pieces
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Just like everything else.

Machin Shin, Solopsism and navel gazing never get one too far. IMHO.
To be honest neither did anything else.
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Any number of spiritualities/ meditation centers.
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