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Old 10-06-2019, 10:04 AM
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Which fictional AI robot is known for being persuasive?


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Which fictional AI robot is known for being persuasive (rhetorically speaking)? How does he/she persuade? What persuasive skills does he/she exercise?

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Old 10-06-2019, 10:09 AM
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Which fictional AI robot is known for being persuasive (rhetorically speaking)? How does he/she persuade? What persuasive skills does he/she exercise?

I look forward to your feedback.

I was thinking of Sonny in the movie 'I Robot ', but I couldn't find anything regarding his persuasive skills.
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Robot...from Lost in Space.

"DANGER...WILL ROBINSON...DANGER!!!, with silver dryer vent hose arms flailing about is...moderately persuasive.
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Asimov's R. Giskard used 'mentalic' pursuasion on humans, and this skill, which he passed on to other robots, was used to establish the Foundation.
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The AI in the 2018 movie upgrade.
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While "persuasive" might not be the best term, Mike (Mycroft / Michelle / Adam Selene) in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is exceptionally good at analyzing trends and projecting from them, which is the impetus for declaring the Lunar Revolution in the first place.
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Asimov's Stephen Byerly managed to convince a whole lot of people to vote for him for various elected positions, by proving to them that he wasn't a robot.
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Asimov's Stephen Byerly managed to convince a whole lot of people to vote for him for various elected positions, by proving to them that he wasn't a robot.
Yeah - remember that one. He even “harms” a human by slapping an obnoxious human in the audience and thereby breaking the first law.

Only the person he slapped was not actually a robot.
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Bender persuades with brash obnoxiousness and occasional violence.
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Persuasive is a slippery word. Few robots simply talk to achieve their aims. "AI Robot" is also problematic. An intelligent robot does have artificial intelligence, but what about immobile computers with world-wide networking? Do they count?

Anyway, some examples.

The Automaton, by Abner J. Gelula, Amazing Stories, Nov. 1931. The super-intelligent automaton learns everything about society. It can't take power but convinces the daughter of its inventor that with his brains she can do it. She soon becomes Queen of the world.

The Adam Link Stories by Eando Binder, starting in the Jan. 1939 Amazing with "I, Robot ." Built by a humanistic professor, Adam Link uses his super-intelligence to win freedom and citizenship by arguing his case before a court.

"The Evitable Conflict," by Isaac Asimov, Astounding, June 1950. Steven Byerly, a robot indistinguishable from but smarter than humans, has the political skills to be elected World Co-ordinator. However, the world's economy is truly run by four supercomputers that take in all economic data and use it to decide what they think is best for humanity.
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Optimus Prime has considerable leadership skills.
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Asimov's Stephen Byerly managed to convince a whole lot of people to vote for him for various elected positions, by proving to them that he wasn't a robot.
Byerley also gets an extra point for a chat we see him cheerfully bluff his way through: he talks like he already knows the confidential info, and so the guy he keeps casually mentioning it to — well, eventually gets just as casual right back.
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Others have brought up Asimov's Stephen Byerly and R. Giskard. Byerly is a skilled politician and Giskard "rediscovers" the Zeroth Law and how to apply cerebroanalytic methods to steer humanity in the right direction, which anyway was what Byerly and the Machines had started doing back in the early 2000s of their timeline, only through more "conventional" politico-propagandistic methods.
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Ava from Ex Machina persuades a human to "save" her, arguably because she's hot.
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While he would protest that he is an android, and not a robot, Lt. Cmdr. Data was known to be very persuasive. He managed to convince an admiral that he was indeed sentient and had the right to determine his own destiny when it was proposed that he be turned over to the Daystrom Institute for study. (ST:TNG - The Measure of A Man)
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Roy Batty must have used his leadership skills to organize the Nexus 6 gang to risk everything heading to Earth.
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Maeve from the TV series Westworld, after realizing that she was, in fact, a robot, managed to win several humans over to her side in her fight to survive and reunite with her robot daughter. Some of it may have been Stockholm Syndrome, sure, but it was also because she was also diamond-tough, determined, brilliant, brave and to a degree, caring; in short, she managed to persuade other humans by being more human than they were.
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Trurl and Klapaucius, from Lem's Cyberiad. I don't know if they were supposed to be persuasive, but they certainly persuaded most of the other robots in the stories. Wikipedia lists Dorfl from Terry Pratchett's Feet of Clay who argues successfully at the end of the book for his own person-hood. And yeah, the Moon Is a Harsh Mistress. That computer convinced any number of people about any number of ridiculous things.
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R2-D2, from Star Wars. Entrusted with an urgent mission, he plays a snippet of his former owner's SOS hologram, then makes up a story about his restraining bolt preventing him from playing the complete message. He does all of this in a successful effort to deceive the young nephew of his new owner to remove the restraining bolt, which permits him to escape and continue his mission.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quest_for_Saint_Aquin

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R2-D2, from Star Wars. Entrusted with an urgent mission, he plays a snippet of his former owner's SOS hologram, then makes up a story about his restraining bolt preventing him from playing the complete message. He does all of this in a successful effort to deceive the young nephew of his new owner to remove the restraining bolt, which permits him to escape and continue his mission.
actually, you could say 98 percent of StarWars is because of something R2-D2 did simply because in the books he was the only one who knew everything about everyone involved despite having his memory "erased" he still retained it all from the phantom menace although wasnt he in amadialas palace ?


I remeber a discussion that people said SW sort of alluded to that R2 might of been a force capable droid.....
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For two more Asimov characters: R. Daneel Olivaw and (arguably) Dors Venabili.
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Douglas Rain's performance as HAL (in 2001: A Space Odyssey) is dominated by his use of a very "reasonable" tone of voice---used in a clear attempt to persuade.

Of course the attempt failed. But the intent was there.
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I hate to say it but any sort of Fembot would probably persuade me quite easily.
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While he would protest that he is an android, and not a robot, Lt. Cmdr. Data was known to be very persuasive. He managed to convince an admiral that he was indeed sentient and had the right to determine his own destiny when it was proposed that he be turned over to the Daystrom Institute for study. (ST:TNG - The Measure of A Man)
Hah, that was nothing Data did. It was clearly the sentience of Riker's awesome new beard steering everything the way it needed to go.
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The Great Hyperlobic Omni-Cognate Neutron Wrangler … could talk all four legs off an Arcturan Megadonkey - but only Deep Thought could persuade it to go for a walk afterwards.
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Hah, that was nothing Data did. It was clearly the sentience of Riker's awesome new beard steering everything the way it needed to go.
https://youtu.be/FfwGyAZuBeU
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Bicentennial Man played by Robin Williams.
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Bicentennial Man played by Robin Williams.
Bicentennial Man basically is a replay of the Adam Link stories, mentioned above, that heavily influenced the young Asimov.
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I hate to say it but any sort of Fembot would probably persuade me quite easily.
Bionic Woman type Fembots, or Austin Powers?
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Bionic Woman type Fembots, or Austin Powers?
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Vincent Price's robots had their charms.

Dr. Goldfoot and the Bikini Machine

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Whoa! I always wondered if I had dreamed that movie, I thought it was one of the many "Beach" movies with Frankie Avalon and Annette Funicello, no wonder I never found clips of it before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0wNMcfOIXM
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Some of those Special Circumstances AIs in Iain Banks' Culture novels were pretty persuasive - particularly at offers one couldn't refuse.
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In John Barnes' Meme War series, a programmer creates very persuasive software, which can spread its beliefs (and the desire to spread them further) to human or machine.

https://www.nesfa.org/review/candle/
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Whoa! I always wondered if I had dreamed that movie, I thought it was one of the many "Beach" movies with Frankie Avalon and Annette Funicello, no wonder I never found clips of it before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0wNMcfOIXM
(Dr. Goldfoot giving a tour of the dungeon to the heroes, with a cameo by Annette)
More than you could imagine knowing about Dr. Goldfoot.

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Ava from Ex Machina persuades a human to "save" her, arguably because she's hot.
To me, that was the most irritating aspect of the film. Ultimately, the story isn't about how computers can be intelligent, but about how horny nerds can be stupid.

Well, plus there was already a fully-functional sexbot in the movie so if Nathan wanted to disrupt society, he could have just unleashed a billion copies of it on the market.
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The Terminator persuaded those bar patrons to "lend" him their clothes and a motorcycle...
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Harlie in When Harlie was One, managed to persuade the Chairman of the Board not to terminate the project he was the centerpiece of. OK, the blackmail helped, but that's a form of persuasion, right?
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Hel, the robot in Metropolis persuaded the workers to riot.
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Well, being thrown onto a stove concentrates the mind wonderfully.
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Asimov's R. Giskard used 'mentalic' pursuasion on humans, and this skill, which he passed on to other robots, was used to establish the Foundation.
Thanks Qadgop the Mercotan. Did R. Giskard character influence the character played by Robin Williams in "Bicentennial Man"? Is there any connection? I haven't watched Bicentennial Man. Are Asimov's robotic laws ever questioned in the movie?
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Thanks Qadgop the Mercotan. Did R. Giskard character influence the character played by Robin Williams in "Bicentennial Man"? Is there any connection? I haven't watched Bicentennial Man. Are Asimov's robotic laws ever questioned in the movie?
"Bicentennial Man," the story, preceded The Robots of Dawn, in which R. Giskard first appeared, by several years. The movie is fairly closely based on the story. The Three Laws are not questioned at all in the movie, as far as I remember.
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There's definitely a negative correlation between "Intelligence" and persuasion in the AI robot Marvin from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

He knows what bad things are likely to happen and mutters his warnings for all to hear, but nobody listens to him, and bad things continuously happen. He could use better persuasion skills and learn to lighten up a bit...
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