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Old 08-04-2018, 01:38 PM
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The wife and I have been busy with friends here visiting and so no time for movies. But our neighbor has been put out by not being allowed a ticket a time or two. And it looks like the new Mission: Impossible film is excluded from MoviePass at all theaters here, at least for now.
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Old 08-05-2018, 12:15 PM
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Yeah, the available movies are just a random smattering. At the nearest 16 screen theater, there are a total of 9 showtimes of 5 movies available today. All but two are past 10pm. Sometime this afternoon, it will switch to "no screenings available", meaning that those after-10 showings are basically moot. 3 of them have surge pricing.

I suppose you could go to your local movie theater at 10am, and buy tickets for a 10:30pm showing before the service is cancelled for the day. That's literally the only way to use the system now.

I don't know what the point of dragging on like this is, it's obvious they're dying. It's like they have some bizarre bet they win if they're still going in a week or something, so they're dragging along a dead service as little as possible to still technically be functioning.

I was hoping I could sneak in another movie but I'm too lazy to make two trips to the movie theater just to see something and there's a chance when I get to the actual theater the showtime I wanted to see will be cancelled anyway. My monthly sub renews in 2 days, so I'm going to go ahead and cancel. Too bad.
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Old 08-05-2018, 12:20 PM
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I don't know what the point of dragging on like this is, it's obvious they're dying. It's like they have some bizarre bet they win if they're still going in a week or something, so they're dragging along a dead service as little as possible to still technically be functioning.
How often do subscribers get billed for their subscriptions? I'm wondering if they're hoping to limp along for a few more weeks, still getting subscription income, while getting billed for very few actual tickets, so that the VC investors can get back a little more of their money before the company finally gives up.
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Old 08-05-2018, 12:29 PM
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There are monthly and yearly plans, the date of subscription starts whenever you activated your card. It's possible but with the mass cancellations and still paying out some tickets (e-ticketing theaters work, and some people probably actually do go buy tickets early) I doubt they're actually turning a profit even with the mostly dead service.
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We're billed $9.95 apiece once a month. Even if we do have to pay separately for our Mission: Impossible tickets, it still takes only one movie a month to break even. We'll watch something. Here in Hawaii, it doesn't look to be shutting down early in the day, as I noticed several films were still available in the afternoon, which is when the wife and I usually watch.
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Old 08-05-2018, 07:58 PM
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I’ve already seen 5 films in August (and yes today is Aug 5.) I’m gonna hold on to this service til the bitter end!
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MoviePass is now limiting people to only three movies a month.
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Here’s another link. The above one is from the Wall Street Journal and is paywalled.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/06/med...nth/index.html
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Whoops. I didn't consider if people could see it. I have a subscription, so everything appeared. I'll be more mindful of that next time.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:52 AM
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"It has become clear that a small number ó only 15 percent ó of the subscriber base has been stressing the system," Ted Farnsworth, the CEO of parent company Helios and Matheson (HMNY), said in a news release.
Those goddamn selfish bastards! They're the problem, using the service they paid for!
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Old 08-06-2018, 12:01 PM
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Those goddamn selfish bastards! They're the problem, using the service they paid for!
That 15% number doesn't seem unreasonable to me. How does it compare to other industries which offer one price for unlimited use (buffet, gyms, season pass, etc). I would guess it would be normal in all those kinds of places where 15% of the people take all they can, 15% take almost nothing, and the rest partake a more average amount. Should it be considered unusual at all that 15% of the MP members use it that much?
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Old 08-06-2018, 12:02 PM
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Those goddamn selfish bastards! They're the problem, using the service they paid for!
And they are still even promoting the "See a new movie every day" plan on their website!!
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Old 08-06-2018, 02:58 PM
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That always should have been their policy. How did they think they would make money off the tiny minority of users who pay $10/month for a moviepass card and then watch $200/month in movies?
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As per this article in the Washington Post about MoviePass, and the three-films-a-month limit:

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Two law firms announced on Monday that they have begun seeking defendants for class action litigation against MoviePass parent company Helios and Matheson Analytics, claiming that the company overinflated MoviePassís profitability when presenting information to investors, who then lost money.
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So did anyone else have the issue this weekend where the available number of tickets was consumed early in the day and you weren't able to see any movies, irregardless of how many you've previously seen?

It was all over social media but I haven't seen a press story on it yet. Best guess is that it's related to this story in a very extreme way. https://www.businessinsider.com/movi...the-app-2018-7

I had planned to go out Sunday Night to see a movie (Ant Man & Wasp) and was looking for showtimes around 6:30 PM. Literally every theater that wasn't a "e-ticketing" theater said "no available showtimes" for the entire night.

Unclear if this was some kind of service outage or if there was some kind of draconian throttling in place. Perhaps they simply ran out of money to fund ticket purchases for the whole weekend, not sure. No idea....but I was real close to cancelling on the spot. Decided to wait out the rest of my billing cycle and see if things settle down.

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Perhaps they simply ran out of money to fund ticket purchases for the whole weekend, not sure.
Bingo. That is exactly it. The "disappearing showtimes" thing started the weekend of July 27th when all their recent money problems started. It's been happening every day since. The MoviePass subreddit has been keeping detailed daily information: https://old.reddit.com/r/MoviePassCl...eekday_thread/

I expect the same behavior to continue for at least the rest of August.

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I just tried to get tickets for today, Monday night, and found that few movie times were available. You could pick either a pre-7PM or post-10PM slot with the occasional post-9PM slot for certain movies if it happened to also be the last showing of the night. So basically, if you can't see a low demand movie in prime time on a MONDAY NIGHT this service is totally pointless.

Also noticed that both Christopher Robin and Mission Impossible were entirely blacked out.

I might be able to live with weekend prime time blackouts or first week blackouts, but this seems to be something totally different. Almost like they are actively trying to block customers from using the service at all until the new polices and prices kick in next billing cycle. Shady shit.
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So basically, if you can't see a low demand movie in prime time on a MONDAY NIGHT this service is totally pointless.
Sounds like it's time to cancel.
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Old 08-07-2018, 12:05 AM
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And they are still even promoting the "See a new movie every day" plan on their website!!
I think the three-a-month rule doesn't start until August 15, so try to get them in now. This rule won't put us out, because I think three a month is about the max we see now anyway. Just no time. And if it means we can see the Mission: Impossible-type films via MP again, that's fine.


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Why? As long as you can use the card even once a month, you've broken even.
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Why? As long as you can use the card even once a month, you've broken even.
Not a customer, but I wouldn't want to do business with a company that operates the way they have, with the corporate skeletons they have. Plus, all the hassle with the what/when/where you can see anything hardly seems worth it unless you're seeing a lot of movies in a month, which I'd never want to do, particularly with all the rigamarole.


And if you look at the eventual business plan that would be required for them to maintain their price points, they basically have to start playing hardball and squeezing the theaters, at some point. In the end, they're an extraneous, rent-seeking middleman using the stock market and venture capital to try to corner a distressed market.

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Old 08-07-2018, 07:09 AM
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I'm not quite sure what the point of all this reinvention is. They have no money. Having a more sustainable plan like 3 movies a month would've been a good plan 6 months ago, but they can't afford their day to day expenses, so I don't know what the point of all this is. I guess they're just desperate to get new investor money with their "sustainable" new business plan. But I can't imagine it's coming. Even if someone starts buying their stock again, it's almost worthless - it seems like it would be difficult to fund them that way unless they sold billions of shares at a few pennies.

I wish I had a good AMC theater nearby because A-list is a way better service than the newly reinvented moviepass - for $5 more a month, you can see 12 movies a month instead of 3, you can use their online booking process to reserve seats/showtimes, and you can see premium (3d/imax) showings. If Regal or Galaxy Theaters comes up with something similar I may end up signing up for it. And it sounds like while moviepass is giving up peak pricing going forward, they're still going to block popular new movies and possibly have a random subset of showtimes available.

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Old 08-07-2018, 07:23 AM
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Reading up on it, it appears they intend to keep the $10 price (at least nowhere mentions $15) - but I remember them announcing they were transitioning to $15 a month sometime during August. So I guess the new 3 movies a month plan means it stays at $10? That would still be a deal worth doing it they actually offered a full list of showtimes. I'm not confident we won't continue to get a random list of showtimes that disappear throughout the day, which wouldn't be worth messing with.
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Old 08-07-2018, 11:27 AM
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Reading up on it, it appears they intend to keep the $10 price (at least nowhere mentions $15) - but I remember them announcing they were transitioning to $15 a month sometime during August. So I guess the new 3 movies a month plan means it stays at $10? That would still be a deal worth doing it they actually offered a full list of showtimes. I'm not confident we won't continue to get a random list of showtimes that disappear throughout the day, which wouldn't be worth messing with.
The $15 price increase was scrapped. The service will now become either $9.95 for 3 films or nothing. At least until they decide to change it again.

The way they worded the information about the 3-per month cap, I am certain they will still be blocking certain films and showtimes. I'll see how it goes for the month of September, if it continues how it's been for the past week, I'm switching to A-list.
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I think the three-a-month rule doesn't start until August 15, so try to get them in now. This rule won't put us out, because I think three a month is about the max we see now anyway. Just no time. And if it means we can see the Mission: Impossible-type films via MP again, that's fine.
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The 3-a-month rule is fine so long as they aren't stacking other restrictions on top of it, especially what seem like arbitrary ones that are impossible to predict, which is what the state of things are now.

As it stands, they are making it impossible to see any movies unless you literally have no other obligations and no preferences on what you see.
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Old 08-12-2018, 09:08 PM
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We did use MoviePass to watch Mission: Impossible -- Fallout yesterday afternoon. They finally unblocked that one. If you don't have to be one of the first to see a film, then it's still good.
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Got an e-mail from MoviePass that echoed what I'd read in an article. It's now three films a month, but subsequent tickets will be subsidized at $2-5 each.
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Got an e-mail from MoviePass that echoed what I'd read in an article. It's now three films a month, but subsequent tickets will be subsidized at $2-5 each.
This doesn't kick in until your subscription renews. People still on the old subscription are getting strung along and fucked over, Moviepass is hoping they give up on using it before the subscription converts.

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This doesn't kick in until your subscription renews. People still on the old subscription are getting strung along and fucked over, Moviepass is hoping they give up on using it before the subscription converts.
The e-mail also said my subscription had renewed.
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Hmm....

Okay, being kind and assuming their behavior is not malicious, I could see where their workflow fucked up. If they treat cancellation as a pending thing to be executed on the next billing date (so people could uncancel if they wanted), and then flashed the new TOS to people on the app and asked them to accept it, I can understand why migrating people to the new TOS and possibly new billing system could uncancel them. Of course they could reverse this process once they figured it out, so it's quite possibly malicious.

But I hit accept on the new TOS when it popped up, and then cancelled like 5 days later. So I definitely shouldn't have been part of this. I couldn't have been part of that incorrect workflow, since my account was already switched over at the time I cancelled.

But I just noticed the e-mail, 2 days after I cancelled, "We received your confirmation for your new MoviePass plan. Some exciting updates are coming on the first day of your next billing cycle, 2018-09-07."

They didn't bill me for August, but I guess they're planning to bill me for September? I'm not sure how that even makes sense. If I switched over to the new plan, why would it take a month to charge me?

Not a big deal, I guess, that gives me plenty of time to recancel, but fishy.
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Their website now states that the new 3-per-month plan will let you choose "from up to 6 films each day," meaning they will only be supporting 1-6 films each day. You will not be able to choose what you want to see. So the way it is working now is how it will be working even on the new plan. Today the only movies you can choose from are either wide release "The Meg" and "Crazy Rich Asians," limited release "The Miseducation of Cameron Post" or very limited released (only on one screen in NYC) "Madeline's Madeline" and "Skate Kitchen."
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I actually would keep subscribed at 3 movies a month if it went back to normal service. Still a good deal and I probably wouldn't exceed that anyway. But the random 2 movies a day thing is shitty. Do they still run out money in the afternoons and shut down for the day?

I logged into the app and it's acting like my account is active even though i cancelled and wasn't charged this month. Next billing date is next month. So maybe in their clusterfuck ways I get a freebie.
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I think you have it backwards. What would happen is Movie Pass goes bankrupt and AMC ends up being their biggest debtor because unless I missed something Movie Pass doesn't buy any tickets in advance.

$9.95 is just too cheap for this service. There's no way they can sustain it.
Who could have foreseen a bad business plan that made no financial sense would fail?
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Who could have foreseen a bad business plan that made no financial sense would fail?
Everyone?

No one thought the $9.95 unlimited plan would make them money or last past the year.
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No one thought the $9.95 unlimited plan would make them money or last past the year.
You would think but read page one of this thread.
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I heard their stock tanked today and is now trading at five cents a share.
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I heard their stock tanked today and is now trading at five cents a share.
BACK to five cents per share after a 250-1 reverse split a few weeks ago.

Looks like it'll open today - right now - at 4.8 cents/share. Good luck to them and if you own shares go looking for the class action suit.
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Ah, damn, I didn't get free access - opening the app again today it says my account has expired.

Curious - since they switched over to their "up to 6 movies a day" plan, do they still cancel existing showtimes mid-day like they've been doing for the last few weeks? Or can you actually go and see that limited set of movies all day?
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Movie list through the 26th

So "up to 6 movies", but most of them are low theater count repeats. This is really more of a 2 movie a day plan.

Apparently they're saying this is only temporary through the transition but I doubt things are going to get much better.

Now, normally I wouldn't ethically advocate ways to cheat around the system at all, but this is pretty ridiculous for people who already paid their subscription money. You can go into any theater and go to the box office and ask your tickets to be swapped generally no questions asked. So grab the tickets from the kiosk, and then go ask to change them to something you want to see. Or.... may not even be necesary since they suspended ticket verification, you could probably just buy the ticket to the wrong movie.

What an inelegant way to die. They're just throwing random shit at the wall and usually lying about what they're doing ahead of time (remember when the daily running out of money thing was a "technical glitch" every day?) - I gotta say, I check the news on this daily for the drama.

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Follow up. Closed today at 3 cents per share with a hair over 200,000 share in volume. Thatís not going to get better unless thereís a white knight.
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Follow up. Closed today at 3 cents per share with a hair over 200,000 share in volume. Thatís not going to get better unless thereís a white knight.
There's already been a "white" knight. Some companies like to loan a troubled company a pile of money knowing that it's going to go belly up. Then they get control in bankruptcy and use its assets (which presumably even Movie Pass has) for various things. Relaunch with a new model or just sell off.

That shareholders end up with zilch is just a "happy" side effect.
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There's already been a "white" knight. Some companies like to loan a troubled company a pile of money knowing that it's going to go belly up. Then they get control in bankruptcy and use its assets (which presumably even Movie Pass has) for various things. Relaunch with a new model or just sell off.
I imagine that about the only valuable asset that MoviePass has is its database: its list of its members (past and present), along with data on their moviegoing habits. If you page back in this thread, you can find quotes from MoviePass executives noting that that data was what they were hoping would prove their value to the theater operators.
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its list of its members (past and present), along with data on their moviegoing habits. If you page back in this thread, you can find quotes from MoviePass executives noting that that data was what they were hoping would prove their value to the theater operators.
I don't even see why that data would have any worth at all. So they know that people like to see blockbusters and if they are "free" they will see smaller independent films as well. What a surprise.
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:19 AM
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I don't even see why that data would have any worth at all. So they know that people like to see blockbusters and if they are "free" they will see smaller independent films as well. What a surprise.
It's not that they know *that* people, generally, like to see those films -- it's that they have a database with actual names, email addresses, and locations of *specific* moviegoers, along with their interests and preferences.
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Right, Moviepass could spit out granular data like:

"On Friday evenings, users in the Dopeville suburbs are 30% more likely to look at Theater A listings before looking at Theater B listings."

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"25% of users in the Dopeville suburbs are willing to drive 10+ miles to go to Theater C despite the presence of two more conveniently located venues."
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:34 AM
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Good article here about their problem, they could not get theaters to lower prices

https://www.cnet.com/news/the-one-th...out-moviepass/
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Old 08-19-2018, 01:32 AM
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We tried to use MoviePass today for BlacKkKlansman, and it was not working today for any movie in any theater in Honolulu. Was today another nationwide outage? We tried it diring the noon hours, so it was early.

We paid to see the film, but at least I got 50 cents off my ticket now that I'm 60. Did use MP last Saturday, so as long as we can at least once a month, we'll keep it.
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Old 08-21-2018, 01:50 PM
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Is anyone signed on to the new subscription model? (charged after 8/15) with the 3 movies? Do they movies - all 2 of them - actually stick around, or do they still disappear mid afternoon?
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Old 08-21-2018, 11:56 PM
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That e-mail I mentioned told us we were automatically signed onto it. Then it couldn't be used at all last Saturday.
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Old 08-22-2018, 12:57 AM
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I'm thinking of starting a new subscription service called restaurant pass. For $20 a month you can eat 1 meal a day, up to 30 a month, at any restaurant you want, and you can use the credit card my company will provide to pay for the meal.

Its foolproof.
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