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Old 03-18-2018, 04:35 PM
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Would it be possible for a stereotypical nerd to strangle someone with his legs/thighs?

So I read about this from Reddit and the poster said he was from Oregon and there was a case where some guy got strangled. He said the guy was last seen with three nerd looking guys and while he was in his car one of the nerds grabbed him and wrapped his legs across his neck, and squeezed until the poor guy couldn't breathe so he suffocated.

It's kind of a weird question I know but I'm wondering if it's plausible going by the story. I'm not talking about a triangle choke or a choke that makes you pass out but not suffocate. The nerds were apparently stereotypical nerds, so skinny pale guys in glasses. Would someone of that description be able to crush someone's larynx shut with his legs? Wouldn't a leg strangle be easy to get out of (by grabbing the feet and unlocking the hold)?
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It's kind of a weird question
You can say that again. And again. And 20 more times.


ETA: But this is gq so it deserves a real answer. The answer is no, nerds are puny. Not because of their physical attributes but because of their mentalities. So if the person who is supposedly crushing this person's larynx with his legs had the exact same physical proportions as th.e nerd but was a cool guy, yes it would be possible to kill the man. But a nerd? Fuck no

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It's also possible if you're a tall leggy crazy female assassin.
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It would be helpful if the OP provided at least a media account of the story. If somebody dies, there should be a media account. This story, as received here, has all the traits of an urban legend: whether the legend has an actual core to it remains to be seen.

I dunno, when fights go to the ground, especially with untrained fighters, things can get pretty chaotic. A crushed larynx isn't especially likely, but nor is it surprising.
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It would be helpful if the OP provided at least a media account of the story. If somebody dies, there should be a media account. This story, as received here, has all the traits of an urban legend: whether the legend has an actual core to it remains to be seen.

I dunno, when fights go to the ground, especially with untrained fighters, things can get pretty chaotic. A crushed larynx isn't especially likely, but nor is it surprising.
The guy on Reddit (where I first heard this story) didn't provide any media news link.. he only said he had a friend who told him about it, and this friend lived in a small town so it didn't get online news. Not every crime ever done is documented online.

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The guy on Reddit (where I first heard this story) didn't provide any media news link.. he only said he had a friend who told him about it, and this friend lived in a small town so it didn't get online news. Not every crime ever done is documented online.
What relevance does the nerd aspect have? Was the assumption of nerdness made because of their slightness and need for glasses?
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What relevance does the nerd aspect have? Was the assumption of nerdness made because of their slightness and need for glasses?
According to what the poster said, a witness said that the three guys he was with looked like nerds from the local chess club.

I personally know a stereotypical nerd (he even wears horn rimmed glasses and a bow-tie) and he has a sort of lanky and narrow physique. Sometimes it's easy to point nerds out based on their appearance and they usually act the part.
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Honestly, in my experience, most of the "nerds" I've known have been overweight, unkempt gamer-types. I don't think there really is such thing as a prototypical "nerd-body". And any nerd is capable, generally speaking, of the same or very similar physical capabilities as someone with the same physical attributes but different lifestyle.
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The guy on Reddit (where I first heard this story) didn't provide any media news link.. he only said he had a friend who told him about it, and this friend lived in a small town so it didn't get online news. Not every crime ever done is documented online.
Perhaps not every crime, but pretty much every murder, even in Oregon, does.

And reading something 1)on an online message board 2)from a "guy" who doesn't have a real name 3)who heard it from a friend 4)who doesn't back it up with some kind of actual proof is just about the perfect breeding ground for an urban myth.
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Honestly, in my experience, most of the "nerds" I've known have been overweight, unkempt gamer-types. I don't think there really is such thing as a prototypical "nerd-body". And any nerd is capable, generally speaking, of the same or very similar physical capabilities as someone with the same physical attributes but different lifestyle.
Those are geeks, not nerds. Nerds are the skinny guys with glasses who talk about string theory and philosophy. Geeks dress casually while nerds tend to like dressing in suits or other formal wear from experience.

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There's no such thing as a hold that knocks someone unconscious but won't kill them. There are holds that can do that, but if you continue with such a hold after the victim falls unconscious, they'll die very shortly thereafter. And even if they don't, they might end up with brain damage or other long-term complications.

And even a scrawny nerd's legs are probably stronger than most peoples' arms. Plus, of course, the strangler could hook one foot over the other leg to make the hold harder to break. And it's also not a given that all nerds are scrawny: Someone might look skinny, and belong to the chess club, and still be strong.
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Those are geeks, not nerds. Nerds are the skinny guys with glasses who talk about string theory and philosophy. Geeks dress casually while nerds tend to like dressing in suits or other formal wear from experience.
Ahh, I had no idea. What's a dweeb then? What's a dork? Fight my ignorance.

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There's no such thing as a hold that knocks someone unconscious but won't kill them. There are holds that can do that, but if you continue with such a hold after the victim falls unconscious, they'll die very shortly thereafter. And even if they don't, they might end up with brain damage or other long-term complications.

And even a scrawny nerd's legs are probably stronger than most peoples' arms. Plus, of course, the strangler could hook one foot over the other leg to make the hold harder to break. And it's also not a given that all nerds are scrawny: Someone might look skinny, and belong to the chess club, and still be strong.
Wouldn't it be easy for someone to get out of? For instance, just grab their feet and 'uncoil' their legs. Sort of like how you'd grab a snake's tail and unwrap it if it was choking you.

As for legs being stronger than arms, that only applies for vertical forces eg standing up or pushing your legs against a wall. This kind of strangulation would involve lateral forces via the abductor muscles. Are the abductor muscles stronger than the arms for applying lateral forces?

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As for legs being stronger than arms, that only applies for vertical forces eg standing up or pushing your legs against a wall. This kind of strangulation would involve lateral forces via the abductor muscles. Are the abductor muscles stronger than the arms for applying lateral forces?
I do believe so. I'm not mistaken, the abductor muscles for the arms are part of the rotator cuff muscles in the shoulder. These are relatively tiny muscles. I am open to correction however.

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I do believe so. I'm not mistaken, the abductor muscles for the arms are part of the rotator cuff muscles in the shoulder. These are relatively tiny muscles. I am open to correction however.
Nono, I meant the abductor muscles in the thighs - https://uploads-cdn.thgblogs.com/wp-...9/leg-pic2.jpg
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Nono, I meant the abductor muscles in the thighs - https://uploads-cdn.thgblogs.com/wp-...9/leg-pic2.jpg
Right but didn't you ask that in the context of which muscles would be stronger, the muscles that allowed abduction of the legs, or those that allowed it of the arms? If not, I apologize, I misunderstood.
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The answer is yes. The position is a scissor lock. Even a weak person can develop more than enough pressure to strangle someone with that. The critical point is that you are straitening the legs to apply the pressure. This provides enough pressure to not just strangle, but cause real physical damage. In Judo and such lock on the torso (let alone neck) of an opponent is illegal - indeed applying one in a bout is enough to have one disqualified from the entire competition.

One will note that strangulation is cutting off the blood supply to the brain, stopping someone breathing is choking them. With skill, strangulation does not require much strength, and can be very swift. Strangles form part of the repertoire of legal techniques in Judo competition.
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Right but didn't you ask that in the context of which muscles would be stronger, the muscles that allowed abduction of the legs, or those that allowed it of the arms? If not, I apologize, I misunderstood.
The muscles that allowed abduction of the legs. Would they be stronger than the arms. Basically, would strangling someone with your legs be harder to get out of than someone wrapping their arms around you and choking you?
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The answer is yes. The position is a scissor lock. Even a weak person can develop more than enough pressure to strangle someone with that. The critical point is that you are straitening the legs to apply the pressure. This provides enough pressure to not just strangle, but cause real physical damage. In Judo and such lock on the torso (let alone neck) of an opponent is illegal - indeed applying one in a bout is enough to have one disqualified from the entire competition.

One will note that strangulation is cutting off the blood supply to the brain, stopping someone breathing is choking them. With skill, strangulation does not require much strength, and can be very swift. Strangles form part of the repertoire of legal techniques in Judo competition.
Yeah I do mean killing someone by cutting off their air supply. That'd take about 3 or so minutes for the person to pass out. In the story provided the victim died from suffocation (lack of air) so his larynx got crushed.

When I try squeezing my thighs together, they hurt after 30 seconds or so.
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The muscles that allowed abduction of the legs. Would they be stronger than the arms. Basically, would strangling someone with your legs be harder to get out of than someone wrapping their arms around you and choking you?
It's hard to really visualize this, for me at least. Do you think you could search Youtube for a minute and see if you can find anything that shows someone getting choked with a set of thighs? Because I'm thinking that the dexterity of the arms alone might lend them an advantage over legs for the purposes of choking someone. But if we're only talking about which has stronger abduction muscles, the lower or upper body, I am certain it's the lower body. But there will be many more muscles involved in an assaulting action like choking someone out.
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I don't suppose it's within the realm of possibility for the OP to recall the Reddit thread in question?
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It's hard to really visualize this, for me at least. Do you think you could search Youtube for a minute and see if you can find anything that shows someone getting choked with a set of thighs? Because I'm thinking that the dexterity of the arms alone might lend them an advantage over legs for the purposes of choking someone. But if we're only talking about which has stronger abduction muscles, the lower or upper body, I am certain it's the lower body. But there will be many more muscles involved in an assaulting action like choking someone out.
Something like this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8DJ...jAbRR1&index=6 (part at 1:00 ) except instead of the sides of the neck, the legs are squeezing the front and back of the neck (larynx/windpipe).
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The answer is yes. The position is a scissor lock. Even a weak person can develop more than enough pressure to strangle someone with that.
Is this scissor lock something that most everyone knows how to do? Especially most nerds? Or is it something that needs some level of teaching in order to do it correctly? Because if we're going down the road of specific, fatal techniques that can be learned, I'm sure the deadliness going both ways. I fully acknowledge that I may very well be totally ignorant here, I just don't know what scissor locking is. The only move I've heard of involving the word 'scissor' was a term used when two women have sex together by pushing their genitalia together and sit perpendicular to each other and stimulate each other by simulating a scissor motion with their legs. This is called "scissoring".
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Is this scissor lock something that most everyone knows how to do? Especially most nerds? Or is it something that needs some level of teaching in order to do it correctly? Because if we're going down the road of specific, fatal techniques that can be learned, I'm sure the deadliness going both ways. I fully acknowledge that I may very well be totally ignorant here, I just don't know what scissor locking is. The only move I've heard of involving the word 'scissor' was a term used when two women have sex together by pushing their genitalia together and sit perpendicular to each other and stimulate each other by simulating a scissor motion with their legs. This is called "scissoring".
Here's an example of a 'scissor hold' done on the neck - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8DJ...jAbRR1&index=6

Fast forward to the 1 minute mark. Now imagine it's the front and back of the neck being squeezed by the thighs instead of the sides.
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As I mentioned above, in Judo, strangles are part of legal competition techniques. What is perhaps important about Judo is that in competition - unlike many other martial arts - the techniques are all used at full strength and effect. The reason strangles are allowed is that they can be refereed and no lasting harm done. Players may well however be rendered momentarily unconscious.

In the video above the guys messing about really have little to no clue what they are doing.

Techniques are many and varied, and applied with both arms and legs. However to do most requires quite a bit of skill - so much so that players usually develop a small number of techniques that they specialise in.

This is the sort of thing we used to work on all the time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y6CrUp-2yM
and the especially evil sankaku jime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmzS3pcfaPU
Note in the above - the pressure is applied with the legs, but the foot hooks behind the knee - this prevents the player from closing the gap and injuring his opponent. Hooking behind the ankle is strictly illegal.
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As I mentioned above, in Judo, strangles are part of legal competition techniques. What is perhaps important about Judo is that in competition - unlike many other martial arts - the techniques are all used at full strength and effect. The reason strangles are allowed is that they can be refereed and no lasting harm done. Players may well however be rendered momentarily unconscious.

In the video above the guys messing about really have little to no clue what they are doing.

Techniques are many and varied, and applied with both arms and legs. However to do most requires quite a bit of skill - so much so that players usually develop a small number of techniques that they specialise in.

This is the sort of thing we used to work on all the time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y6CrUp-2yM
and the especially evil sankaku jime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmzS3pcfaPU
Note in the above - the pressure is applied with the legs, but the foot hooks behind the knee - this prevents the player from closing the gap and injuring his opponent. Hooking behind the ankle is strictly illegal.
But would a scissor hold where the ankles are wrapped/locked be hard to get out of, assuming the assailant is a stereotypical nerd (description in my original post) and wants to kill the other person by stopping them from breathing, instead of cutting off blood flow?
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I don't suppose it's within the realm of possibility for the OP to recall the Reddit thread in question?
I went to look for it but it appears to have been deleted
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There's no such thing as a hold that knocks someone unconscious but won't kill them. There are holds that can do that, but if you continue with such a hold after the victim falls unconscious, they'll die very shortly thereafter. And even if they don't, they might end up with brain damage or other long-term complications.
Stepping away from the OP, I'm not sure that's the case. It used to be thought that choke-outs work via a cut in the blood supply via the carotid artery.

But more recent thinking (not necessarily correct - IANAphysicia) says that the chokeout occurs due to nerve stimulation. Wikipedia:
Another more complex theory states that as pressure is applied to the carotid artery, baroreceptors (the body's natural blood pressure monitors) within the artery are also compressed. When they sense too much pressure in an artery that feeds the brain (such as those in the neck), they signal the brain to dilate (widen) its blood vessels in order to relieve pressure (baroreflex causing vasodilation). Since blood pressure has not actually increased as the brain thinks it has, the dilation causes pressure to drop dramatically, and can be sufficient to cause cerebral hypoxia.[
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There is debate over the dangers of choke-outs. After 4 to 6 minutes of sustained cerebral anoxia, permanent brain damage will begin to occur,[2] but the long-term effects of a controlled choke-out for less than 4 minutes (as most are applied for mere seconds and released when unconsciousness is achieved) are disputed.[citation needed] However, everyone should note that generally loss of oxygen is never safe and always (even if minimal) causes death of brain cells.[3] There is always risk of short-term memory loss, hemorrhage and harm to the retina, concussions from falling when unconscious, stroke, seizures, permanent brain damage, coma, and even death.[4]

Some argue that when pressure is applied to the carotid artery, the baroreceptors send a signal to the brain via the glossopharyngeal nerve[5] and the heart via the vagus nerve. This signal tells the heart to reduce volume of blood per heartbeat, typically up to one-third, in order to further relieve high pressure. There is a slight chance of the rate dropping to zero, or flatline (asystole).[6] However, there are several studies that showed choking out will result in a few seconds of flat line ECG for a few seconds at least in half of the subjects.[7] This might suggest that choking out or syncope is not as safe as it was assumed to be previously.

Some argue that with thousands of tournaments since the sport of Judo began in 1882, hundreds of thousands of chokes have been applied, and the probability of hundreds if not thousands of choke-outs, with no reported deaths due to chokes, the chances of asystole are slim.[8] It might be true that no direct death has reported as a result of chokes but there are numerous reports of these chokes turned out to strokes leaving the subject with permanent brain damage or possible more elaborated long-term effects [9]
So, it's debatable.
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Those are geeks, not nerds. Nerds are the skinny guys with glasses who talk about string theory and philosophy.
Ok, that would be me. While I know nothing about string theory, I do like talking about science and philosophy. I can't *quite* say I'm skinny now, but I'm not pudgy and I wear glasses.

I also practice martial arts. For fitness. I'm highly dubious about the story in the OP, but yeah - fights can be chaotic and if the shinbone is applied to larynx in a car bad things can happen.

But homicide generally finds its way to the papers. So I second kunilou's concerns. It's unlikely that the facts match well with the story presented so far.


More generally, there are triangle holds that are recommended forms of self defense for women, against a potential rapist. I doubt whether the one I've seen would result in the death of the assailant though, as pressure is applied in the carotid area, as opposed to the larynx.
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Ok, that would be me. While I know nothing about string theory, I do like talking about science and philosophy. I can't *quite* say I'm skinny now, but I'm not pudgy and I wear glasses.

I also practice martial arts. For fitness. I'm highly dubious about the story in the OP, but yeah - fights can be chaotic and if the shinbone is applied to larynx in a car bad things can happen.

But homicide generally finds its way to the papers. So I second kunilou's concerns. It's unlikely that the facts match well with the story presented so far.


More generally, there are triangle holds that are recommended forms of self defense for women, against a potential rapist. I doubt whether the one I've seen would result in the death of the assailant though, as pressure is applied in the carotid area, as opposed to the larynx.
Would you be able to squeeze your thighs together tightly for 5+ minutes flat? (It takes about 3-4 minutes for someone to pass out from a lack of air/being unable to breathe, an additional minute or two for death)
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Stepping away from the OP, I'm not sure that's the case. It used to be thought that choke-outs work via a cut in the blood supply via the carotid artery.

But more recent thinking (not necessarily correct - IANAphysicia) says that the chokeout occurs due to nerve stimulation. Wikipedia:
Another more complex theory states that as pressure is applied to the carotid artery, baroreceptors (the body's natural blood pressure monitors) within the artery are also compressed. When they sense too much pressure in an artery that feeds the brain (such as those in the neck), they signal the brain to dilate (widen) its blood vessels in order to relieve pressure (baroreflex causing vasodilation). Since blood pressure has not actually increased as the brain thinks it has, the dilation causes pressure to drop dramatically, and can be sufficient to cause cerebral hypoxia.[
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There is debate over the dangers of choke-outs. After 4 to 6 minutes of sustained cerebral anoxia, permanent brain damage will begin to occur,[2] but the long-term effects of a controlled choke-out for less than 4 minutes (as most are applied for mere seconds and released when unconsciousness is achieved) are disputed.[citation needed] However, everyone should note that generally loss of oxygen is never safe and always (even if minimal) causes death of brain cells.[3] There is always risk of short-term memory loss, hemorrhage and harm to the retina, concussions from falling when unconscious, stroke, seizures, permanent brain damage, coma, and even death.[4]

Some argue that when pressure is applied to the carotid artery, the baroreceptors send a signal to the brain via the glossopharyngeal nerve[5] and the heart via the vagus nerve. This signal tells the heart to reduce volume of blood per heartbeat, typically up to one-third, in order to further relieve high pressure. There is a slight chance of the rate dropping to zero, or flatline (asystole).[6] However, there are several studies that showed choking out will result in a few seconds of flat line ECG for a few seconds at least in half of the subjects.[7] This might suggest that choking out or syncope is not as safe as it was assumed to be previously.

Some argue that with thousands of tournaments since the sport of Judo began in 1882, hundreds of thousands of chokes have been applied, and the probability of hundreds if not thousands of choke-outs, with no reported deaths due to chokes, the chances of asystole are slim.[8] It might be true that no direct death has reported as a result of chokes but there are numerous reports of these chokes turned out to strokes leaving the subject with permanent brain damage or possible more elaborated long-term effects [9]
So, it's debatable.
Thanks for that. I wasn't aware about this nerve thing.. I wonder if there's been a lot of accidental deaths attributed to it?
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Thanks for that. I wasn't aware about this nerve thing.. I wonder if there's been a lot of accidental deaths attributed to it?
There are no recorded deaths from judo strangles in competition. Of course, competition involves relatively young and fit people, and the referee will call "Break" as soon as someone passes out. Nobody holds a judo strangle for minutes at a time.

But sankaku-jime, the triangle leg strangle in judo, does not involve much, if any, pressure on the trachea. It works as described - pressure on the carotid sinuses. And the arm of the person being strangled is between the leg and the neck, which is part of what produces the pressure on the neck. Even hadaka-jime, which can be a trachea strangle, doesn't generally produce unconsciousness - uke (the victim of a technique) gives up first, because it is very painful and threatening to have one's air shut off. It takes a minute or more to produce unconsciousness from shutting off the air supply. It can be done, but it usually isn't necessary in judo competition or sparring.

The OP supposes a choke-out from putting pressure on the trachea with the legs. This is possible, but awkward - the legs are too big (usually) to fit under the chin. You can apply a leg scissors from behind or the side, and the subject might pass out, not from pressure on the trachea but from pressure on the carotids as described above. Maintaining enough pressure for 5+ minutes is problematic, as you mention.

It is not as easy as you might think to break a leg scissors (and certainly not a leg triangle). Generally you need to trap one arm and stretch him out to maximize the pressure, and so it is difficult to reach the ankles and break the scissors. If uke is face down it is even harder. It doesn't take a great deal of leg strength to choke someone out. More a knack of where you apply the pressure, although groundwork specialists do develop strength in the legs for this kind of thing.

One of the advantages of sankaku-jime is that it doesn't put pressure on the trachea, and doesn't hurt at all. I have had it happen many times where I clamp on the hold, uke is struggling around trying to get around into better position and then all of a sudden plop - they pass out.

Could a nerd do it? I'm a nerd, and I bet the number of people I have choked must number in the hundreds. Chokes from the guard was something I specialized in. It takes a good deal of training (or luck), but it can be done. I wouldn't expect someone with no experience to bring it off.

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How about crushing a skull? I mean, he's a character in a video game. How nerdy can you get?
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Update - I was looking around and here I found a case in the news where legs were used to asphyxiate someone - http://www.laconiadailysun.com/newsx...ts-lawsuit-812

The guy who did it looks pretty nerdy - https://imgur.com/a/tNiLX
https://imgur.com/a/UTTpn

Apparently he kept squeezing the victim's neck for what seemed like 10 minutes (to him), so it could have been much longer.

He said he was a ''practiced student of choke holds'' http://www.laconiadailysun.com/newsx...treet-homicide
''A third male who lives in the house told police that Riley had previously placed him in three separate choke holds about two days before the homicide. The unidentified male said he had trouble breathing and started to panic.''

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Update - I was looking around and here I found a case in the news where legs were used to asphyxiate someone - http://www.laconiadailysun.com/newsx...ts-lawsuit-812

The guy who did it looks pretty nerdy - https://imgur.com/a/tNiLX
https://imgur.com/a/UTTpn
For those who haven't clicked the link, the case involves a lawsuit against a New Hampshire mental hospital: the plaintiffs claim that the perp shouldn't have been released from the facility. The facility replies that it's not liable for releasing a homicidal person with mental issues, except insofar as they need to warn someone if they are specifically under threat.
Assistant Attorney General Ken Sansone argued that the State Hospital had no duty to protect March or others from Riley's potential acts. State law only mandates that doctors or mental health professionals have a duty to warn if a patient threatens to harm a specific person or group of individuals.

...Sansone told the judge that the state is shielded by both official immunity and discretionary function immunity as there were no claims that any state employee's actions were wanton or reckless in regards to the treatment they provided to Riley in the course of the duties of their job.
At any rate, the homicide did not occur in a car, which simplifies matters. The perp was nerdy I suppose, though that doesn't seem like his most salient feature. There was no mention of 3 nerdy guys, only one.


Personally, I'm not very good at scissor holds but generally speaking IME, squeezing for 5 minutes wouldn't be too hard against an untrained attacker, assuming I got it securely in place (which would be the difficult step for me). Legs are a lot stronger than arms.

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Didn't we have some weirdo join up and ask this exact question over and over and over again a few years back? Or was that another site? I know I've seen it as incredibly annoying spam somewhere or other.
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Didn't we have some weirdo join up and ask this exact question over and over and over again a few years back? Or was that another site? I know I've seen it as incredibly annoying spam somewhere or other.
I googled "nerd strangles with legs". Hooboy.

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Im sorry but I do not understand what relevance the nerdiness has to the question asked. It seems like a completely gratuitous add-on that adds no useful information to be able to answer the OP's question. It's like asking if a 120lb woman who dresses scantily could throw a baseball 100 feet. What the fuck does being scantily clad have on determining that?
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There is a specific hold called a gogoplata in BJJ which uses the shinbone against the throat. No scissor necessary. Although I seriously doubt someone with no training could apply one, but you never know. Having little muscle mass in the legs actually would help apply the move
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I’m a nerd, and I guarantee I could strangle the OP with my legs...
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Iím a nerd, and I guarantee I could strangle the OP with my legs...
Are you just nerdy or do you match the physical description of a nerd like in the OP? Also, why would you want to strangle me with your legs?
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There is a specific hold called a gogoplata in BJJ which uses the shinbone against the throat. No scissor necessary. Although I seriously doubt someone with no training could apply one, but you never know. Having little muscle mass in the legs actually would help apply the move
In the news story I provided a few posts ago and the OP story I'm pretty sure it's a classic 'scissor' hold cutting off air flow, not a triangle choke or some BJJ move. All you have to do is get the front and back of their neck between the thighs, then squeeze them together. The legs remain straight but the calves kind of wrap around each other so that the ankles lock.
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You're too strong and in shape to be considered a nerd (fof this discussion). But, I've heard (and witness a few in person). An angry cow is a fearful sight.

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There is a specific hold called a gogoplata in BJJ which uses the shinbone against the throat. No scissor necessary. Although I seriously doubt someone with no training could apply one, but you never know. Having little muscle mass in the legs actually would help apply the move
Oooooh! This sounds like something that should work for me without a doubt and would not be too difficult to administer. The one disturbing thing about my circumstances re this
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In the news story I provided a few posts ago and the OP story I'm pretty sure it's a classic 'scissor' hold cutting off air flow, not a triangle choke or some BJJ move. All you have to do is get the front and back of their neck between the thighs, then squeeze them together. The legs remain straight but the calves kind of wrap around each other so that the ankles lock.
Have you ever tried putting someone in a scissor choke in a car? It's hard enough to do in an open space.
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This girl will do it with no problems (and I can speak from personal experience)

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