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03-21-2018, 10:03 AM
 Peripathetic Guest Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 3
Why do your ears "hurt" if you only have one window cracked open when driving fast?

Can anyone tell me why your ears "hurt" (for lack of a better word) if you're driving down the interstate and only have one window cracked open? It doesn't seem to happen until I'm going over 55-60 MPH and opening a parallel window fixes the issue, but I can't find an exact reason why it happens. I assume it has something to do with air pressure, but why does it only happen when you've reached a certain speed? I've searched online for an answer, but have yet to find a satisfactory one. Please fellow posters, help me fight my ignorance! Hopefully, this question makes sense and I'm not the only one who has experienced this issue. Thanks!
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03-21-2018, 10:26 AM
 Machine Elf Guest Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Challenger Deep Posts: 11,503
With one window open, your car becomes a Helmholtz resonator, similar to an empty wine/beer bottle when you blow across the open end.

The frequency is dependent on the volume of the enclosure (larger means a softer "spring", so lower frequency). It's also dependent on the volume of the air that's actually moving back and forth (more volume in motion = more mass/inertia = lower frequency). For bottles, this is the neck volume. For a car it's the dimensions of the window opening; this opening doesn't have any real length like a bottle neck, but for calculating the "neck volume" there's an applicable length anyway (see "end correction" at above link), since the air isn't suddenly at zero speed on the inside or outside of the car's window opening.

The discomfort is because the pressure fluctuations are relatively large. You'll feel the same discomfort if you put your ear next to a subwoofer playing a comparably low test frequency at high volume.

When you open another window on the other side of the car, you no longer have an enclosed cavity with a single port; you destroy the resonator system.

As for why some minimum speed is required to induce resonance, I don't know.
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03-21-2018, 10:53 AM
 Chefguy Charter Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Portlandia Posts: 40,978
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 Originally Posted by Machine Elf With one window open, your car becomes a Helmholtz resonator, similar to an empty wine/beer bottle when you blow across the open end. The frequency is dependent on the volume of the enclosure (larger means a softer "spring", so lower frequency). It's also dependent on the volume of the air that's actually moving back and forth (more volume in motion = more mass/inertia = lower frequency). For bottles, this is the neck volume. For a car it's the dimensions of the window opening; this opening doesn't have any real length like a bottle neck, but for calculating the "neck volume" there's an applicable length anyway (see "end correction" at above link), since the air isn't suddenly at zero speed on the inside or outside of the car's window opening. The discomfort is because the pressure fluctuations are relatively large. You'll feel the same discomfort if you put your ear next to a subwoofer playing a comparably low test frequency at high volume. When you open another window on the other side of the car, you no longer have an enclosed cavity with a single port; you destroy the resonator system. As for why some minimum speed is required to induce resonance, I don't know.
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03-21-2018, 11:10 AM
 Telemark Charter Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Again, Titletown Posts: 21,844
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03-21-2018, 11:14 AM
 Peripathetic Guest Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 3
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 Originally Posted by Machine Elf With one window open, your car becomes a Helmholtz resonator, similar to an empty wine/beer bottle when you blow across the open end. The frequency is dependent on the volume of the enclosure (larger means a softer "spring", so lower frequency). It's also dependent on the volume of the air that's actually moving back and forth (more volume in motion = more mass/inertia = lower frequency). For bottles, this is the neck volume. For a car it's the dimensions of the window opening; this opening doesn't have any real length like a bottle neck, but for calculating the "neck volume" there's an applicable length anyway (see "end correction" at above link), since the air isn't suddenly at zero speed on the inside or outside of the car's window opening. The discomfort is because the pressure fluctuations are relatively large. You'll feel the same discomfort if you put your ear next to a subwoofer playing a comparably low test frequency at high volume. When you open another window on the other side of the car, you no longer have an enclosed cavity with a single port; you destroy the resonator system. As for why some minimum speed is required to induce resonance, I don't know.
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03-21-2018, 11:18 AM
 jz78817 Guest Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Under Oveur & over Unger Posts: 11,758
yes, this very low frequency phenomenon (as explained by Machine Elf) is sometimes called "thrum" or "thrumming" in the industry. If your vehicle has 4 doors, cracking the rear windows open a little bit can mitigate it.

this used to be a fairly significant problem with sunroofs/moonroofs for the same reason. on modern cars, you'll notice that a little "spoiler" or wind deflector pops up along the front edge of the moonroof opening when it's retracted.
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03-21-2018, 11:22 AM
 Peripathetic Guest Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 3
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Thank you! The embarrassing thing is I actually tried to search the board to see if this had been previously discussed before starting this thread. I obviously need to sharpen my searching skills! Much appreciated.
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03-21-2018, 12:06 PM
 Jonathan Chance Domo Arigato Mister Moderato Moderator Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: On the run with Kilroy Posts: 22,053
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03-21-2018, 02:20 PM
 DavidwithanR BANNED Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 3,996
Thank you for this answer - I had wanted to know, and then forgot to ask.

About the speed... Is there zero resonance when the air isn't moving, like I'm guessing? And, beyond that, I wonder whether resonance begins at the first hint of air motion and gradually increases with the speed of air flow, or whether there's a threshold speed for resonance to begin.

Or maybe I'm looking at it all wrong.

I do know that when playing a (modern-style European) flute (maybe other flutes too, I don't know), if you blow the air too slow or too fast, you don't get the resonance you want; the air stream has to be within a certain speed range to make the flute work.

Obviously, with a musical instrument of refined design, a lot of factors have been manipulated in order to get the desired musical effect - so maybe a flute isn't a worthwhile example. Oh well.
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03-21-2018, 03:17 PM
 gnoitall Guest Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 5,946
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 Originally Posted by DavidwithanR Thank you for this answer - I had wanted to know, and then forgot to ask. About the speed... Is there zero resonance when the air isn't moving, like I'm guessing? And, beyond that, I wonder whether resonance begins at the first hint of air motion and gradually increases with the speed of air flow, or whether there's a threshold speed for resonance to begin. Or maybe I'm looking at it all wrong. I do know that when playing a (modern-style European) flute (maybe other flutes too, I don't know), if you blow the air too slow or too fast, you don't get the resonance you want; the air stream has to be within a certain speed range to make the flute work. Obviously, with a musical instrument of refined design, a lot of factors have been manipulated in order to get the desired musical effect - so maybe a flute isn't a worthwhile example. Oh well.
The information I read (can't remember cite) is that the pressure disturbance is initially caused by vortex formation. The fast-moving air outside the window "rubbing" against the still air inside the window makes up a small whirl of clear air -- a vortex -- that makes its way from front edge of opening to back edge. At the back edge, it runs into the end of the opening and dumps its energy into the cabin of the vehicle as a pressure pulse.

When the car's speed is too low, the vortices are pretty lazy and pressure pulses are trivial (and probably discharge into the slipstream more than into the cabin). At high enough speed, they pop appreciably, and when their generation rate matches the Helmholtz frequency of the resonator system (vehicle cabin and opening size), they pulses reinforce each other in an ear-popping, vertigo-inducing standing wave.
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03-21-2018, 03:22 PM
 Chefguy Charter Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Portlandia Posts: 40,978
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03-21-2018, 05:07 PM
 DrCube Guest Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Caseyville, IL Posts: 7,130
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 Originally Posted by Peripathetic Thank you! The embarrassing thing is I actually tried to search the board to see if this had been previously discussed before starting this thread. I obviously need to sharpen my searching skills! Much appreciated.
Did you actually use the board's search function? If so, that's why you came up empty. Go to Google and type your search terms along with "site:straightdope.com" in the search field, and you will get much, much better results.

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