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The Cruelest and Saddest Deaths In Movies/Music?


There are many, but I'll start with the most obvious -- John Lennon
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You mean real ones, or in movies/music? For the first, any overdose; for the second, just open any dramatic opera.
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You mean real ones, or in movies/music? For the first, any overdose; for the second, just open any dramatic opera.
Yes, real ones.

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Bambi's Mom? Assuming you first saw it as a kid.

Captain Miller from Saving Private Ryan. "James, earn this... earn it."

Spock "Wrath of Khan" though lessened as he got better in the next movie.

ETA: OK, nevermind.

John Lennon's is the one that affected me the most.

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Jaco Pastorious being beaten to death by a bouncer after he snuck back into the venue Carlos Santana was playing.
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Old 09-08-2019, 08:00 AM
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Jaco Pastorious being beaten to death by a bouncer after he snuck back into the venue Carlos Santana was playing.
That's not what happened. I know because I grew up in South Florida, was a massive fan of his and knew the bar in question.

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Pastorius developed a self-destructive habit of provoking bar fights and allowing himself to be beaten up.[5] After sneaking onstage at a Carlos Santana concert on September 11, 1987 and being ejected from the premises, he made his way to the Midnight Bottle Club in Wilton Manors, Florida.[19] After reportedly kicking in a glass door, having been refused entrance to the club, he was in a violent confrontation with Luc Havan, the club's manager who was a martial arts expert.[20] Pastorius was hospitalized for multiple facial fractures and injuries to his right eye and left arm, and fell into a coma.[21] There were encouraging signs that he would come out of the coma and recover, but they soon faded. A brain hemorrhage a few days later led to brain death. He was taken off life support and died on September 21, 1987 at the age of 35 at Broward General Medical Center in Fort Lauderdale.[19]

Luc Havan faced a charge of second-degree murder. He pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to twenty-two months in prison and five years' probation. After serving four months in prison, he was paroled for good behavior.[22]
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Quite a few in classical music:

Dinu Lipatti

Ginette Neveu

David Munrow

Lorraine Hunt Lieberson

and of course both Mozart and Schubert died far too young.
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The baby ape from Escape from the Planet of the Apes.
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James Dean, Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and J.P. Richardson, all from transportation mishaps.
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James Dean, Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and J.P. Richardson, all from transportation mishaps.
And Otis Redding.
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And Otis Redding.
The loss of Redding and SRV was immeasurable. Also Marvin Gaye, who died in a senseless act of violence.

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The great Clarence White was killed at age 29 by a drunk driver while loading gear into his car after a concert. It's one the most tragic losses in music for me personally because I like his playing so much, and he could have given us so much more.
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The baby ape from Escape from the Planet of the Apes.
Turns out this thread is about real life people but I just have to comment that I remember this scene making my six year old self hysterical. Were talkin' inconsolable. I've never rewatched it since.
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Glenn Miller's death/disappearance was big way back when.
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And SRV.
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Judith Barsi, who voiced Ducky in the first Land Before Time:

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In music, the death of Duane Allman affected me most (next to Lennon).

Vivian Stanshall, mostly because of the circumstances: his apartment burnt down because he was smoking in bed.
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Vic Morrow and the two kids on The Twilight Zone set.
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John Bonham
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In music, the death of Duane Allman affected me most (next to Lennon).

Vivian Stanshall, mostly because of the circumstances: his apartment burnt down because he was smoking in bed.
And, speaking of falling asleep with a lit cigarette, Luther Perkins.

Damn. I am so glad I quit smoking...
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Towering musical talents who died to young:

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Known primarily for his TV work but since he did do movies I'm going to put in a word for Jim Henson.
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Jeff Buckley.

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In 1997, Buckley moved to Memphis, Tennessee, to resume work on the album, to be titled My Sweetheart the Drunk, recording many four-track demos while also playing weekly solo shows at a local venue. On May 29, 1997, while awaiting the arrival of his band from New York, he drowned during a spontaneous evening swim, fully clothed, in the Mississippi River when he was caught in the wake of a passing boat; his body was found on June 4.
I do believe he had a few more incredible albums in him.
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Just saw this on the news: Kylie Rae Harris

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The sheriff said Pedro Cruz, a Taos County Firefighter/EMT, responded to the scene and found his daughter dead at the scene.
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Eddie Lang died from a tonsillectomy gone wrong. So did Bennie Moten. In Lang's case, Bing Crosby had encouraged Lang to have the surgery, and he never forgave himself.

Bix Beiderbecke died at the age of 28. The official cause of death was lobar pneumonia, but his alcoholism almost certainly was a contributing factor. He suffered from delirium on the night of his death—his screaming alerted a neighbor, who came to see what was wrong. The neighbor found Beiderbecke trembling, convinced that there were Mexicans hiding under his bed with long knives. Bix collapsed, and the neighbor called a doctor who pronounced him dead.

The original Sonny Boy Williamson (not "Rice" Miller, AKA Sonny Boy Williamson II) was killed by a mugger when he (Williamson) was walking home from a gig one night.
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Tupac Shakur and The Notorious B.I.G.

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Brittany Murphy was only 32 when she died. She was a popular TV and movie actress, but she was probably best known as the voice of Luann Platter on King of the Hill.

Singer and actor Bobby Darin died relatively young at the age of 37.

Singer-songwriter Jim Croce died in a plane crash in 1973 at the age of 30.

Actor Freddie Prinze killed himself at the age of 22.

Kurt Cobain committed suicide at the age of 27.
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Robert Johnson. Though he did suffer a bluesman's death.
And for those of us old enough, the deaths of Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin so close to each other were very disturbing.
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Brittany Murphy was only 32 when she died. She was a popular TV and movie actress, but she was probably best known as the voice of Luann Platter on King of the Hill.
She died of complications from pneumonia and weirdly her husband passed away from the same thing five months later in the same house.

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Kirsty MacColl died pulling her son out of the way of a speeding motorboat in an area reserved for swimmers.
Guitarist Randy California drowned at 45 while saving his son from a rip current on Hawai'i.
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Guitarist Randy California drowned at 45 while saving his son from a rip current on Hawai'i.
Yeah that was really sad for me. Randy California (probably one of the greatest guitarists of all time and whose band "Spirit" never achieved the fame and fortune that other rock bands did) losing his life by drowning was just another bad luck story from the rock band named Spirit.

Sharon Tate's murder was really shocking to me. I had just graduated from high school, a few weeks later, 2 Americans walked on the Moon for the first time. So, I was feeling rather optimistic until that story made the news.
She was young, very well-liked, her popularity was increasing, her career was seriously improving and then ... a bunch of seriously disturbed "sickos" decided to bring all that to an end.
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Bob Crane, stuffed in a trunk, still unsolved.

Marilyn Monroe.

Michael Jackson, done in by an unethical doctor.
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I'd say that the most obvious is Sharon Tate.
Another one that sticks in my mind is Heather O'Rourke.
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Dimebag's murder is still talked about a lot in metal circles.
Mike Scaccia was only 47 when he had a fatal heart attack on stage (while playing with his band Rigor Mortis, natch).
Wayne Static's death at 48 in 2014 is currently much-talked about, since his band just released an album and is touring with someone else playing the part of Wayne, complete with a weird Wayne-mask.
Mitch Lucker's death in a motorcycle accident was terrible and effectively spelled the end for his band, Suicide Silence.
Chuck Schuldiner was a fucking genius and he was taken from us when he was only 34 years old.
Jeff Hanneman death at 49 didn't end Slayer, but it did change them a lot: Jeff was an amazing songwriter.
Randy Rhoads death meant that Ozzy's material was gonna change to include lots of lame ballads.
Cliff Burton's death meant that Metallica were gonna be a huge suck-fest forever, apparently.

And of course, D. Boon's death at just 27 years old shattered his best friend and bandmate Mike Watt and ended one of the greatest bands to ever exist. It still upsets me to think about and it's been over 30 years now.

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And of course, D. Boon's death at just 27 years old shattered his best friend and bandmate Mike Watt and ended one of the greatest bands to ever exist. It still upsets me to think about and it's been over 30 years now.
This one niggled at me for a while.
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Dominique Dunne (22 years old) - killed by her ex-/estranged boyfriend.

Rebecca Schaeffer (21) was murdered by a fan.

Porn actress Savannah (24) - crashed her car and broke her nose. She then, lamenting the fact that her career was probably over - shot herself in the head. To make matters worse, she was dating Pauly Shore at the time. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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Dimebag and Mike Sciacca were both mentioned in the Gwar cover of "People Who Died,' originally by Jim Carroll.

https://youtu.be/W9VtdAXo78w

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For cruel and sad I’ll have to third Stevie Ray Vaughn. He hit the depths of substance abuse and self-destructive behavior and came out the other side. His marriage ended but he seemed to have reached a peaceful place with his ex and again found happiness with someone else. He was starting to go beyond electric blues and expanding his music. It appeared that he was in a great place in his life and hitting his stride creatively. Then after a great show on an amazing tour with Clapton the helicopter hits wires.
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For cruel and sad I’ll have to third Stevie Ray Vaughn. He hit the depths of substance abuse and self-destructive behavior and came out the other side. His marriage ended but he seemed to have reached a peaceful place with his ex and again found happiness with someone else. He was starting to go beyond electric blues and expanding his music. It appeared that he was in a great place in his life and hitting his stride creatively. Then after a great show on an amazing tour with Clapton the helicopter hits wires.
Yep, I took this one hard. A month before he died I saw him play at the Gorge (still have the tattered t-shirt). I was a super fan at the time.
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John Lennon, George Harrison and Tom Petty. Horribly crushed by all three.
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He died wealthy in his 90s with a large family, so not particularly cruel, except maybe for the date: a week before Christmas 1737. His violins are still well regarded, though.
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Lennon will always be the worst for me. But Harrison was sad, too.
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Ones that affected/impacted me the most:

Robin Williams - I still don't really watch his stuff.

Anthony Bourdain - I have not watched a single episode of his shows since his death.

Roger Ebert - my favorite movie critic, but equally importantly, a smart commentator on life and politics. I miss him.
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Anton Yelchin. His car crushed him against his own gate at the age of 27.

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Pretty sure that qualifies as cruellest. Poor kid.


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Vic Morrow and the two kids on The Twilight Zone set.
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Kirsty MacColl died pulling her son out of the way of a speeding motorboat in an area reserved for swimmers.
It got even worse, in a way: the rich man who was almost certainly driving/piloting the speedboat got a member of his staff to pretend he was driving it. The law there meant that he got a fine based on his income. So he was fined €63 instead of going to prison, and paid McColl's family US$2,150. The rich bloke couldn't stomach admitting he did anything wrong even though he also would have avoided prison.
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It got even worse, in a way: the rich man who was almost certainly driving/piloting the speedboat got a member of his staff to pretend he was driving it. The law there meant that he got a fine based on his income. So he was fined €63 instead of going to prison, and paid McColl's family US$2,150. The rich bloke couldn't stomach admitting he did anything wrong even though he also would have avoided prison.
The rich man's name was Guillermo González Nova. It's a matter of public record, and I see no reason not to name and shame at every opportunity. What an asshole.
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Jimi Hendrix died on September 18, 1970. Two weeks later on October 4, 1970, Janis Joplin died. The close proximity of those two deaths hit me really hard, even though I was only 17.
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It got even worse, in a way: the rich man who was almost certainly driving/piloting the speedboat got a member of his staff to pretend he was driving it. The law there meant that he got a fine based on his income. So he was fined €63 instead of going to prison, and paid McColl's family US$2,150. The rich bloke couldn't stomach admitting he did anything wrong even though he also would have avoided prison.
Wasn't he also drunk at the time?
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Carrie Fisher's death was the saddest for me personally, and obviously sad for her family and friends, and it came at a really bad time (creatively, I mean, apart from her being relatively young and still a lovely person), but I wouldn't count it among these because it wasn't exactly surprising in retrospect.

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The rich man's name was Guillermo González Nova. It's a matter of public record, and I see no reason not to name and shame at every opportunity. What an asshole.
Agreed, Guillermo González Nova killed a woman and nearly killed a child just because he wanted to speed his boat wherever he wanted to go, then got a member of staff to take the fall rather than... admit what he did, not go to jail, and pay money he could easily afford, so it's not like he would even have lost much by giving her family some closure.

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Wasn't he also drunk at the time?
Probably not possible to know but it wouldn't be surprising.
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