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Old 01-24-2019, 10:18 PM
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Star Trek Discovery Season 2 Thread


Starting with Episode 2 I thought a single thread would be better.

Wow, they really are trying to course correct. A Star Ship going to a planet Just Like Earth (tm) is the Trekiest of Treks that ever Treked and I enjoyed it. An interesting stand alone story with some threads from the last episode. A good continuation.
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Old 01-25-2019, 04:39 AM
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Yeah, Ep 2 is really good.
There's a first-class mystery in the Red Angels, the character interaction is stellar (which is, I must say, a carryover from the first season).

Better yet, it captures the best of the old Trek - the exploration, the discovery, the moral background - but it has enough of an edge from new Trek to mix it up. There's a lot going on.

I'm really stoked for the new season.
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I also liked that (I will spoiler this because the episode just dropped)

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The religious folks were not fanatical crazies. That would have been an easy trope to go with.
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[QUOTE=Quimby;21451521]I also liked that (I will spoiler this because the episode just dropped)



And would be in any post TOS show for sure. Good on DISCO for avoiding that.

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I am glad the Just Like Earth aspect was due to actual migration and not convergence. While I'm glad the actor who plays the deceased doctor is still around, I hope they find a way to bring him back in a more substantial way. I'm getting a strong vibe that Michael and Spock had a thing at some point.
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I only hope the resolution does not lead directly into the events of The Cage. Given the tone and what we've seen...it would seem hamfisted. Whatever happened right before The Cage, it seems grounded and the result of Pike misjudging a basic situation....not some pseudo-mystical-Clarke's Law-mumbo jumbo.

And given the uniforms, I'd think The Cage took place already.
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This was a damn sight better than the premier. I thought that one would end with a group hug or a Starfleet cheer or something.
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Old 01-26-2019, 08:28 AM
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Well, so much for the hope that they'd just decide to quietly bury the spore drive. Seriously, how that idea ever made it out of the first shit-shooting brainstorm meeting, I'll never understand. I guess they needed to top Khan's reviving blood and Scotty's transwarp transporters in terms of universe-breaking mechanics.

Still, I'm hopeful for this season. This episode was trying a bit too hard, perhaps---it was basically a hodge-podge of Trek tropes, from the lost offshoot of humanity in space, to interactions with mysterious unseen beings, to everybody always being special ("You're the youngest ever to be allowed into Captain school", or whatever it was), and finally, to prime directive (sorry, 'General Order 1' ) bullshit. I mean, seriously, they're just gonna leave them? What if whatever happened to cause the debris to deorbit happens again?

So again, not a stellar episode---lots of clunkiness, like being dumped right into exposition central after landing on the planet---but I think they're heading in the right direction. Now I only worry they're going to blow past it at warp speed. Or spore speed?

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Lol on New Eden first time in Star Trek history a captain chose to go with the prime suggestion sorta
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Still, I'm hopeful for this season. This episode was trying a bit too hard, perhaps---it was basically a hodge-podge of Trek tropes, from the lost offshoot of humanity in space, to interactions with mysterious unseen beings, to everybody always being special ("You're the youngest ever to be allowed into Captain school", or whatever it was), and finally, to prime directive (sorry, 'General Order 1' ) bullshit.

Don't forget the really horrible "science."
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Don't forget the really horrible "science."
Yeah, I wasn't convinced by the quick explanation of the matter transporter either.
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Yeah, I wasn't convinced by the quick explanation of the matter transporter either.

I was thinking of the whole "radioactive debris ring bringing on a nuclear winter" thing, including the part where if they get to a certain part of it in 12 minutes, 37 seconds, and 29 milliseconds they can save the day, but if they get there in 12 minutes, 37 seconds, and 30 milliseconds they will be too late.
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I was thinking of the whole "radioactive debris ring bringing on a nuclear winter" thing, including the part where if they get to a certain part of it in 12 minutes, 37 seconds, and 29 milliseconds they can save the day, but if they get there in 12 minutes, 37 seconds, and 30 milliseconds they will be too late.
Oh, I wasn't bothered by that - with orbital mechanics there are very, very fine margins between success and failure sometimes. Our lowly current 21st-century space agencies have a much firmer grip on that sort of thing as opposed to, say, travelling faster then the speed of light.
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Oh, I wasn't bothered by that - with orbital mechanics there are very, very fine margins between success and failure sometimes. Our lowly current 21st-century space agencies have a much firmer grip on that sort of thing as opposed to, say, travelling faster then the speed of light.

That was just one aspect of it. The whole crisis of something disturbing material in the ring and causing it to fall to the planet over the next few hours is utter idiocy--in long-standing Trek tradition.
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CBS released ep 1 on Youtube so i got to see it instead of seeing clips and reading reviews

I guess Pike's (sorta) fortune cookie about A Cage confirms my fear of where this will end up for him.

I like the quiet "human" moments. Sarek, Amanda. Anthony Rapp. Lot of general stuff I dislike. The so-called snappy dialogue. Christ doesn't it get exhausting speaking in one-liners and constantly having this "GO GO GO GO" attitude? Green continues to have two modes. Increduality and the verge of crying.
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Wow....Discovery has failed so badly, we arn't talking about it.


Whats dumb about this whole thing is....I'd have been perfectly happy with the adventures of Pre or post-Cage Pike, Spock (If they got Quinto) Number One, Colt, Doc whassisname, Navigator dude*....So being a TOS prequel wasn't the prob.

*The Cage did more in one episode to establish characters then DISC has in 1+ seasons.
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What the actual fuck did I just watch?
Spocks Brain at least had the benefit of some curvy human alien ladies.

How do you ruin this.
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First of all, fatness is cured 200 years in the future. This isn't like Picard not caring about curing his baldness as baldness doesn't affect his capability to perform his duties. So, every time I see this person I have to wonder how she got by the selection board.

Secondly, getting infected by spores isn't a disqualifier from command, not telling anyone about having hallucinations should. Why isn't there a standing order that requires reporting unusual activity to a supervisor or at least log it (so that the computer can flag 'crazy' to command)? Given that there doesn't appear to be such an order, command candidates should have the intelligence to determine that having hallucinations could affect their ability to perform their job function and potentially endanger others on the ship. Michael is also guilty of this.
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Said ensign has meltdown in front of Captain during training exercise and announces removal from command training. Later gets back on training track after finally admitting to hallucinations and saying "sorry".

First of all, fatness is cured 200 years in the future. This isn't like Picard not caring about curing his baldness as baldness doesn't affect his capability to perform his duties. So, every time I see this person I have to wonder how she got by the selection board.

Secondly, getting infected by spores isn't a disqualifier from command, not telling anyone about having hallucinations should. Why isn't there a standing order that requires reporting unusual activity to a supervisor or at least log it (so that the computer can flag 'crazy' to command)? Given that there doesn't appear to be such an order, command candidates should have the intelligence to determine that having hallucinations could affect their ability to perform their job function and potentially endanger others on the ship. Michael is also guilty of this.
I actually sat around trying to think who was the first 'heavy woman' to appear in Star Trek (Mudd was first male of course),,,,I think Worf's mom was what I came up with. I'm not counting Lwaxana Troi cause she's legacy casting.

I got no problem with Tilly* and I appreciate that nothing (that i've heard) was said about how "progressive her body-positivity casting was!!!".

*If she'd dial it back. And yes her beating fitter people screams Mary-Sue. In fact the whole show screams Mary-Sue for her and Burnham

Today I noted how in the past, it was the GOOD GUYS who are xenophobic extremists. The Vulcans, Humans and Bajorans. Now of course we can't have that.

Edit: And the thing that would negate Burnham's Mary-Sueness....her conviction for TREASON...makes no sense. What she did wasn't treason, it was mutiny. And the same level of mutiny we've seen before. See Garrovick punching Kirk. But I don't find it surprising at all that DISC writers don't know what treason is.

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Yeah, I have no problem with the casting of Tilly, but no way in hell she would win a half marathon. (And before anyone asks, I would quite possibly literally drop dead within the first quarter mile if I attempted to run one.)


(For me this was possibly the least bad episode of the whole series so far.)
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There are lots of heavy set people who are athletic. She is plump, not unfit.
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There are lots of heavy set people who are athletic. She is plump, not unfit.

She's not marathon winner fit.
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To counterbalance the negativity, I've liked this season. It feels like Star Trek. I am concerned by what they have planned for Spock and hope they do right by one of my favorite fictional characters but the sense of adventure and fun is turned up and I appreciate it.

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Didn't really like the latest episode. It just sort of feels, I don't know, careless? Like the writers just go with whatever they come up with first, then ignore things that don't make sense. Like evil Klingon guy just showing up without any sort of assurances, so that everybody who knew about the whole thing conveniently gets murdered.

I think what's missing to me is really that it's the constraints that make a Sci-Fi setting believable, that make it feel like a universe and give it coherence. But this show just casually ignores such things---'...and then, they zip through the universe using a magic fungus, you know, and that fungus can also infect people and manifest hallucinations of people from their past...'. That's not a plot, that's Mad Libs.
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I will say I didn't and don't like the taste of the Section 31 spin off we got. S31 are the villains not the heroes. They shouldn't headline a show. Especially a Trek show. I did like that they mentioned CONTROL which is a concept from the Novels.
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I skimmed over the thread to avoid any spoilers, but it seems like the reception so far is not great. Is it worth watching this year?

I haven't really thought about it until now. Wasn't a big fan of last season. The most interesting part of last season was Lorca, and it turns out that he's only interesting because he was an alternate universe character. Apparently main universe characters are not allowed to be interesting.

I also fucking hated the "oh let's pat ourselves on the back for maintaining federation values and not wiping out the klingons when they literally have a genocidal force coming to wipe humanity out in our solar system" ending of last year. Made no sense to me. If someone is literally minutes from wiping out your home planet and most of your race, I would fucking say "game on" to whatever you could do to them.

But on the plus side, there was.... um.... Saru is kind of a cool character.
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I skimmed over the thread to avoid any spoilers, but it seems like the reception so far is not great. Is it worth watching this year?


It sucks less than last year, except now they are dragging the idiotic new "Klingons" (or KINO) back into it.
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I think what's missing to me is really that it's the constraints that make a Sci-Fi setting believable, that make it feel like a universe and give it coherence. But this show just casually ignores such things---'...and then, they zip through the universe using a magic fungus, you know, and that fungus can also infect people and manifest hallucinations of people from their past...'. That's not a plot, that's Mad Libs.
Also, it kinda bugs me how they introduce new things we haven't seen in the other series, only to then have to come up with some justification for why we haven't seen them. So the Federation had holographic communication tech all the time, it's just that the Enterprise didn't have it because Pike thought it looked too much like ghosts...

If you want to be unshackled by continuity, don't make a prequel. I mean, I even would've been fine with just not addressing such issues---the image we have of the future is bound to change over time, and new series will reflect that. As long as it's nothing critical to the plot, I can forgive an older ship not having the buttons and dials the Enterprise had; it's just a visual representation. It's more important to look future-y.

But this half-and-half sort of deal---introduce something new, then try to handwave it away---just highlights every inconsistency.
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I've watched some videos on ST legal rights and different companies and timelines and cats and dogs living together oh the humanity!!

Right now Star Trek....imagine the different iterations of DC comics...Pre-Crisis, Crisis, New 52, Flashpoint,....I'm sure I'm forgetting some. That's what Star Trek is right now EXCEPT it's *legally required* to be different from previous iterations. What a headache.

Basically IMHO, barring all of the ST licenses coming under one banner, Discovery wont make it past next season, if its renewed at all. I doubt the Picard series gets made or we see a new Kelvin movie. NOW if they do merger CBS and paramount and the two Viacoms (dont ask)...then they COULD use the Picard series and a season 3 or 4 to "fix" the timelines. I'd be onboard with that.

Now I'm sure there are people who say "What does it matter? Why can't we just have Discovery stories and not care if it matches up with canon?" Well, I guess you could if the stories were good as stand-alone stories and not propped up by nostalgia and old characters. But they are. And if the the timbers propping up the stories are rotten...then people arn't going to watch.


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Also, it kinda bugs me how they introduce new things we haven't seen in the other series, only to then have to come up with some justification for why we haven't seen them. So the Federation had holographic communication tech all the time, it's just that the Enterprise didn't have it because Pike thought it looked too much like ghosts...

If you want to be unshackled by continuity, don't make a prequel. I mean, I even would've been fine with just not addressing such issues---the image we have of the future is bound to change over time, and new series will reflect that. As long as it's nothing critical to the plot, I can forgive an older ship not having the buttons and dials the Enterprise had; it's just a visual representation. It's more important to look future-y.

But this half-and-half sort of deal---introduce something new, then try to handwave it away---just highlights every inconsistency.
Is that what happened with the screens? I thought they'd just eventually say that holo-tech has an exploit or potential hack (see NuBSG) and they'd shelve it. It also looks like they're going to find a way to get rid of the Spore Drive soon too. Which I'm fine with. Why introduce it all??? It's way too frigging powerful.
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From bits and pieces I've picked up from various articles there was a lot of stuff forced onto the showrunners by the studio, and from Bryan Fullers original pitch. In particular the whole Klingon war idea, which is why they ignored it for half the season to go and visit the mirror universe. I wouldn't be surprised if they were under orders to make things different and more futuristic than previous shows, with things like the holoscreens to show off some vfx.

Having been successful in the first season it seems like the showrunners have been given more freedom, and are trying to correct things. Killing some of the advanced tech will help, and I'm hoping the current klingon storyline will eventually get them more like the established Klingon culture. I still don't like the Klingons as they are now, but they have improved over last season.

I am slightly concerned where they're going with Section 31 though, it doesn't seem secretive enough based on their DS9 appearances, but I am liking Emperor Captain Georgiou.

Also, is no-one going to mention

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Is that what happened with the screens? I thought they'd just eventually say that holo-tech has an exploit or potential hack (see NuBSG) and they'd shelve it.
I didn't quite get this in the last episode---something about how the holo tech had something to do with the Enterprise's being incapacitated? But the line about the ghosts also was there.

Other than that, I liked the most recent episode surprisingly well. It still felt like a kind of mosaic of well-worn Trek tropes, but brought them together decently enough.
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This week was a good bounce back. Their pacing is still a little off but I enjoyed the mystery and the solution.
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I'm loving Anson Mount as Pike so much that I wouldn't complain if they hand-waved away TOS canon and kept him on as permanent Discovery captain.
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I'm loving Anson Mount as Pike so much that I wouldn't complain if they hand-waved away TOS canon and kept him on as permanent Discovery captain.
My nutty idea was have Discovery destroyed in the events right before The Cage....have the Disco crew on board 1701 during The Cage and then let the combined crew have adventures.
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I don't particularly care about "canon." Each of the series/movies kind of stand on their own for me. If I had to worry about canon, things would be way, way too complicated.

I'm enjoying this season, so far.
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I was watching History Buffs work on Apollo 13...you know what's been missing since TOS?? Goddamn engineering. You're in a spaceship!! Stop with magic/technobabble solutions and give us some real tension as seen in The Naked Time and That Which Survives.

I guess ST:Enterprise did it a little and it was so-so in some eps and not so so-so in others.
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What was the deal with usurper Klingon Kol-Sha needing L'Rell to sign his iPad so he could take over as chancellor? That's how Klingons in this series take over empires? With their fucking signatures?

"You will sign, for I am Kol-Sha, of the House of FedEx!"
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What was the deal with usurper Klingon Kol-Sha needing L'Rell to sign his iPad so he could take over as chancellor? That's how Klingons in this series take over empires? With their fucking signatures?

"You will sign, for I am Kol-Sha, of the House of FedEx!"
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What was the deal with usurper Klingon Kol-Sha needing L'Rell to sign his iPad so he could take over as chancellor? That's how Klingons in this series take over empires? With their fucking signatures?

"You will sign, for I am Kol-Sha, of the House of FedEx!"

But they do sign it using the Stylus of Kahless, forged in the fires of the volcano Kri'stak from a twist of his pubic hair.
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FWIW the Klingons in TOS were more scheming and underhanded and less Honor and staby staby.
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FWIW the Klingons in TOS were more scheming and underhanded and less Honor and staby staby.
Just rewatched "Errand of Mercy" SO GOOD....Jon Colicos is masterful and the Organians are so subtly alien and good

That's what DISCO is sorely missing is fantastic guest actors aside from their named actors like Pike and No.1
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Well, that's not how I expected them to bring back Culber, but I'm happy they did it. (Was this the entire point of the May plotline? If so, worth it.)

He looked younger, to me, though...Wonder if that's just from the lack of facial hair, or if they're actually making him up to look younger since it's a new body.
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In the latest one, I liked Pike's reaction to his first exposure to a TNG-style communicator.



Also, the take-away quote from the episode? "What are you doing with your tiny finger?"
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When we saw Tilly in the cocoon, am I the only one who had a PTSD-inducing flashback to seeing Barb in the Upside Down?
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From bits and pieces I've picked up from various articles there was a lot of stuff forced onto the showrunners by the studio, and from Bryan Fullers original pitch. In particular the whole Klingon war idea, which is why they ignored it for half the season to go and visit the mirror universe. I wouldn't be surprised if they were under orders to make things different and more futuristic than previous shows, with things like the holoscreens to show off some vfx.

Having been successful in the first season it seems like the showrunners have been given more freedom, and are trying to correct things. Killing some of the advanced tech will help, and I'm hoping the current klingon storyline will eventually get them more like the established Klingon culture. I still don't like the Klingons as they are now, but they have improved over last season.

I am slightly concerned where they're going with Section 31 though, it doesn't seem secretive enough based on their DS9 appearances, but I am liking Emperor Captain Georgiou.

Also, is no-one going to mention

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