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Old 07-30-2019, 08:07 AM
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Democratic Debates 7/30 & 7/31


We get another round of 20 candidates on stage over the next two nights. It's probably the last hurrah for a number of them unless they can gain some traction this week, as a bunch of them are running out of money, and I say thank goodness.

I confess I'm disappointed at the division of the candidates for this week's debates, because, well, Harris has already had her opportunity for a shot at Biden, and dammit, it should be Warren's turn.

It's true that Harris used that first opportunity extremely well, but I'm sure Team Biden has been spending a great deal of time thinking up ways for Biden to hit back in tomorrow's debate, and I'm sure we'll see him give it his best shot. How well Harris handles that will be interesting.

Warren's got a tougher challenge, IMHO: she's got to show Bernie fans that she's really the one they're looking for, without alienating them by being too critical of Sanders and his ideas. It's gonna be quite the needle to thread.

Bernie's challenge is arrest his gradual slide in the polls, but what's to be done? This time, unlike 2016, he's not the only challenger to the establishment candidate, and I think we're finding how much of his support in 2016 was anybody-but-Hillary voters. Everybody already knows what Bernie's about, and it's not winning over a lot of voters this time.

Everybody else's challenge is to break through and make themselves relevant - especially those who aren't likely to qualify for September's debate otherwise.
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Old 07-30-2019, 08:22 AM
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This will be the last time we see half of them, so enjoy it while you can.
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Old 07-30-2019, 08:27 AM
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Nothing against the OP, but the whole boxing-match scorekeeping aura of these things, while perhaps unavoidable, puts me off a bit.

With that said, and from a pure entertainment aspect, I'd like to see each of the candidates given a chance to describe, in their own views and their best oratory, just what a complete fucking plonker they think Trump is. Oh well, wouldn't really serve any useful purpose, and guess they'll be too busy trying to score points off each other to have time for much of that anyway.
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Is this going to be the live commentary thread (I hope)?
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Who else has their Steve Bullock pants on?!
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Old 07-30-2019, 07:10 PM
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I look forward to seeing Bernie, Warren, and Buttigieg on the stage together. Should be a good one tonight.
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Old 07-30-2019, 07:12 PM
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Well, the first 12 minutes were a complete waste of airtime. They could’ve given each candidate another minute to talk instead of whatever the fuck that was
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What happened in the first 12 minutes? I missed that bit.
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What happened in the first 12 minutes? I missed that bit.
Nothing. Intros, handshakes, flags, etc
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Nothing. Intros, handshakes, flags, etc
Thanks. Glad I missed it.
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Notice how Warren chastised and lectured the audience. Awesome.

Great to see the others nail her and Bernie to the wall on their politically suicidal rigidity on healthcare. Even Marianne Williamson is talking sense on this.
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Ffs, Bernie and Warren are just scolding us like a couple of cranky old Abe Simpsons.

ETA: can Bernie just shut his fucking piehole for 90 seconds?

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How refreshing, to see an actual debate about an actual public interest policy.
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Does Pete have shoe polish smudged on his forehead?
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How refreshing, to see an actual debate about an actual public interest policy.
Agreed
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Does Pete have shoe polish smudged on his forehead?

Looks like a lock of his hair came loose?
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Man, Gov. Bullock, where have you been all my primary campaign season?! I've liked this guy on paper and in interviews, but he's holding his own on this stage. I just fear he's making himself known too late in the game to catch up.
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So I’m watching it tape delayed. (ETA: just started) I’ll check in later. In the meantime, enjoy!

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I really wish they would stop calling it free health care. I know it's not free, we all know it's not free, it's just funded differently.

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Man, Gov. Bullock, where have you been all my primary campaign season?! I've liked this guy on paper and in interviews, but he's holding his own on this stage. I just fear he's making himself known too late in the game to catch up.
You're such a slut.
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You're such a slut.
Hey, do I find Steve's firm tone exhilarating? Yes. Does his no-nonsense approach to winning over the middle make my heart skip a little beat ? Absolutely. Would I allow him to spank my bare ass with a warm leather glove? Possibly, but he would need to respect my safe word and take me out to a nice dinner first. Would a slut even think about dinner?
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Old 07-30-2019, 08:32 PM
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Hey, do I find Steve's firm tone exhilarating? Yes. Does his no-nonsense approach to winning over the middle make my heart skip a little beat ? Absolutely. Would I allow him to spank my bare ass with a warm leather glove? Possibly, but he would need to respect my safe word and take me out to a nice dinner first. Would a slut even think about dinner?
Fair points all.
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I’m with HL on Bullock. I also loved Ryan’s “you don’t have to yell, Bernie”.

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Sure, she's somewhat of a flake but, damn, did Williamson have a moment right there.
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I've been rewatching 30 Rock on Hulu and I can't listen to Marianne Williamson without hearing Jenna Maroney.

I really hope SNL gets Jane Krakowski to play her.

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Sure, she's somewhat of a flake but, damn, did Williamson have a moment right there.

I said last time that she had strong moments and took a lot of grief for it. She’s got game!

Beto is also kicking ass tonight.
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Sure, she's somewhat of a flake but, damn, did Williamson have a moment right there.
The reparations thing? Oy, I was cringing and looking away the whole time.

I'll say she had a moment when she said Flint would've never happened in Grosse Pointe. Nice local reference.
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Ryan: nice point on China having a 100-year, 50-year, 30-year economic plan while we only have a 24-hour news cycle.
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Beto told it like it IS on tariffs. W00t!
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So a day after a mass shooting and CNN feels the need to air an ad, during the debates, for a movie about hunting humans? What the fuck is wrong with CNN?
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So a day after a mass shooting and CNN feels the need to air an ad, during the debates, for a movie about hunting humans? What the fuck is wrong with CNN?
Thanks, Dag Otto. Glad to know that I'm not the only one who found it inappropriate.
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Ok. Ok. Ok. I was extending a dainty toe in the direction of Steve Bullock, but I must withdraw it. I can't take 4 more years of "new-cu-lar."

In all seriousness, however, any one of the Democratic candidates would be a massive improvement on the filthy cretin currently cluttering up the Oval Office.
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Ok. Ok. Ok. I was extending a dainty toe in the direction of Steve Bullock, but I must withdraw it. I can't take 4 more years of "new-cu-lar."
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EEK! Shades of George W. Bush!
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Ok. Ok. Ok. I was extending a dainty toe in the direction of Steve Bullock, but I must withdraw it. I can't take 4 more years of "new-cu-lar."

In all seriousness, however, any one of the Democratic candidates would be a massive improvement on the filthy cretin currently cluttering up the Oval Office.
Jake Tapper would be an massive improvement.
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Jake Tapper would be an massive improvement.
I pried something off the bottom of my shoe today that would be a massive improvement.
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I think Bullock got too into the weeds on the nuclear discussion with Warren. It wasn't pretty, imo. He should've just said something like "Senator, all due respect, you're wrong. I don't think it's smart to broadcast our military options and tactics to the world, even when it comes to nuclear war."

And yes, I am angry about "new-cu-lar." I may have to re-think the warm leather glove.
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Delaney needs to shut up and go home. What a stiff.
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Huh, here I thought the us was the only country that has used a preemptive nuclear strike. Twice!

What was all that about?
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I think Bullock got too into the weeds on the nuclear discussion with Warren. It wasn't pretty, imo. He should've just said something like "Senator, all due respect, you're wrong. I don't think it's smart to broadcast our military options and tactics to the world, even when it comes to nuclear war."

And yes, I am angry about "new-cu-lar." I may have to re-think the warm leather glove.
I'm just glad you're over your Hickenlooper infatuation.
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Amy Klobuchar's closing statement actually included the words "And then she died."

Hope and change, it ain't.
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I'm just glad you're over your Hickenlooper infatuation.
It's hard to maintain your bedroom eyes when you're on the fourth syllable of your lover's name.
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Like an Irish folk tale. “And then they all died.”
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Damn, I loved Mayor Pete's closing. He even managed to extend a hand to Republicans (hoping they would "reunite with their conscience").
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Bernie Sanders killed it. Easily the biggest winners are Warren and Sanders.
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A little whiter than it should've been, but all in all, a good policy-driven debate. I would've liked to have seen Booker in this one, but the candidates tomorrow should look to tonight as an example. Don't focus too much on the past, but look to what can and should be done going forward.
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Sanders was powerful in the segments I saw. Warren flopped. Buttigieg was bearable, but chill with the climate stuff. Delaney shot some holes into central-planning-for-all. The rest were cringe-city.

Some positive antiwar moments, but very generic and platitudinous. Didn’t realize Hickenlooper was so bad. Kind of disappointing.

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WF, Beto was “cringe city”? Pfffft.
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WF, Beto was “cringe city”? Pfffft.
From a policy standpoint he was decent from what I saw (I didn’t see some of the middle segments), he was sound on the war question which I liked. He is just a really bad speaker and didn’t seem to have much support in the audience. Overly rehearsed imo, though I haven’t seen him enough to know if he can go off the cuff effectively.
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I saw the second coming of Bobby Kennedy! “Bad speaker”? Wow.
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