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The Rams are getting ReAMed at halftime. I absolutely LOVE it.
Just so you know, reading your colored text for team names is unnecessarily difficult.
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45-6, I have a feeling Goff Magic is going to turn this around.
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Day-ammmmm - the Ravens absolutely deSTROYed the defending N.F.C. champions tonight, handing them their worst home loss (in L.A.) ever! Good news for the Seahawks (and the Vikings)!
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Just so you know, reading your colored text for team names is unnecessarily difficult.
You guys are no fun. . .
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Day-ammmmm - the Ravens absolutely deSTROYed the defending N.F.C. champions tonight, handing them their worst home loss (in L.A.) ever! Good news for the Seahawks (and the Vikings)!
Dude! Using Browns colorations within a reply regarding the Ravens is cold, dude!
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Well that was quite a wake up call for the Packers. All the flaws that have been there all year (inability to stop the run, aggressive defense giving up big plays, and inability of the offensive line to win one on one) were put on display for all to see. The Niners defense, especially that front 4, is astoundingly good, and Garoppolo does just enough to win. They are the best team in the NFC right now. Kudos to them.

Watching Lamar Jackson is fun. I do, and likely will always, worry about him getting injured, but he's like a Michael Vick who actually studies the game AND can throw the ball. I fear Baltimore is like the Rams from last year or the Eagles from 2017 (teams that were great on offense until defenses got tape and learned how to adjust), but, for now, it's great fun to watch.

I remain confused as to both Wentz and Prescott. They both looked awful this past Sunday, but it's one game and there are plenty of excuses (no WR's for Wentz and crappy weather for Dak). It will be interesting to see what happens now that Wentz has a few creampuffs and Dak has two tough games in a row.

I didn't get a chance to watch live, but it seems I was right to question Oakland's playoff status. They got their asses handed to them. By the Jets. That will happen on occasion in the NFL, but I'm definitely not on board with the Raiders.
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Dude! Using Browns colorations within a reply regarding the Ravens is cold, dude!
Those are NOT Browns colors. Why on EARTH would I use Browns' colors with the word "Ravens"? BTW - how on EARTH did the Ravens ever lose to the Clowns? I betchya they don't lose the rematch!
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Well that was quite a wake up call for the Packers. All the flaws that have been there all year (inability to stop the run, aggressive defense giving up big plays, and inability of the offensive line to win one on one) were put on display for all to see. The Niners defense, especially that front 4, is astoundingly good, and Garoppolo does just enough to win. They are the best team in the NFC right now. Kudos to them.

Watching Lamar Jackson is fun. I do, and likely will always, worry about him getting injured, but he's like a Michael Vick who actually studies the game AND can throw the ball. I fear Baltimore is like the Rams from last year or the Eagles from 2017 (teams that were great on offense until defenses got tape and learned how to adjust), but, for now, it's great fun to watch.

I remain confused as to both Wentz and Prescott. They both looked awful this past Sunday, but it's one game and there are plenty of excuses (no WR's for Wentz and crappy weather for Dak). It will be interesting to see what happens now that Wentz has a few creampuffs and Dak has two tough games in a row.

I didn't get a chance to watch live, but it seems I was right to question Oakland's playoff status. They got their asses handed to them. By the Jets. That will happen on occasion in the NFL, but I'm definitely not on board with the Raiders.
Nor am I. I was actually a Raiders fan before the Seahawks existed. We're talkin' "Soul Patrol" era-Raiders. But the Raiders haven't given me a reason to believe in them for nearly two decades, now.
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Anyone for a "re-match" between S.F. and BAL in the S.B.?
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Old 11-26-2019, 11:48 AM
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Anyone for a "re-match" between S.F. and BAL in the S.B.?
Seattle and Baltimore perhaps.

Anyone but the Patriots.
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I didn't get a chance to watch live, but it seems I was right to question Oakland's playoff status. They got their asses handed to them. By the Jets. That will happen on occasion in the NFL, but I'm definitely not on board with the Raiders.
It was full on bizarro-world. The Jets played like world-beaters in all three phases of the game: offense, defense, and special teams. It was a throwback to the Curtis Martin / Chad Pennington era, except Darnold can actually throw the ball downfield. Speaking of Darnold, I'm starting to think he may actually be good.

During this 3-game winning streak the Jets have scored 34 points each week, which is a little weird. Not at least 34 points; exactly 34 points.

The domination was so complete that Gruden pulled Carr for sucking in the third quarter. It's not a good sign when your healthy starter doesn't even make it to the fourth quarter.

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Seattle and Baltimore perhaps.

Anyone but the Patriots.
I think Baltimore is better than the Patriots at this point. Or anyone else in the AFC. Iíd be very surprised to not see them in the big game.

With the NFC Iíd say Saints, Niners, or Seahawks (in that order) and itís a toss-up between the Packers and Vikings, both are good but flawed though either could get hot at the right time.

Is it possible to just not let the NFC East be in the playoffs? (Just asking.)
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Is it possible to just not let the NFC East be in the playoffs? (Just asking.)
You want an NFC East team in the playoffs only because if the Patriots get to the Superbowl, the East are the only ones who can beat them.

Incredibly unlikely, and I hate the Cowboys, but I would laugh my ass off if the Patriots lost to the Cowboys in the Superbowl.
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I think Baltimore is better than the Patriots at this point. Or anyone else in the AFC. Iíd be very surprised to not see them in the big game.

With the NFC Iíd say Saints, Niners, or Seahawks (in that order) and itís a toss-up between the Packers and Vikings, both are good but flawed though either could get hot at the right time.

Is it possible to just not let the NFC East be in the playoffs? (Just asking.)
In my opinion best records - not "division winners," necessarily - should make the playoffs. So, I'm in favor of the N.F.C. East "champions" being kept from the playoffs, especially if it happens to be that team from Texas (I know that's not going to happen - that's just my opinion).
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(Sorry for cross posting this here, but wasn't sure which threads got the most traffic.)

Quick IRL Fantasy Football question for you.

My team is cooking and I'm looking at a title run. The league is highly biased towards RBs and you can start 3 each week, but can only roster a max of 4 guys. Weird I know.

So I have Chris Carson, Devin Singletary, LeVeon Bell and Tevin Coleman right now. It's been a bit of a crap shoot all season for all of these guys and I'm thinking about adding Jonathan Williams for the playoff stretch.

So what are your opinions on this? Do I stick with the guys I have or do I gamble that this Williams thing will hold up? If I make the move, which guy do I drop? Feels like Coleman is the most volatile of the group, but I like his ceiling.
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You want an NFC East team in the playoffs only because if the Patriots get to the Superbowl, the East are the only ones who can beat them.

Incredibly unlikely, and I hate the Cowboys, but I would laugh my ass off if the Patriots lost to the Cowboys in the Superbowl.
Actually, that is the ONE team in the N.F.L. (well, actually there's ONE more) that I definitely would NOT want to see win another S.B., no matter which team it came against. So I'm afraid I'm not in your corner on that count.
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I think Baltimore is better than the Patriots at this point. Or anyone else in the AFC. Iíd be very surprised to not see them in the big game.

With the NFC Iíd say Saints, Niners, or Seahawks (in that order) and itís a toss-up between the Packers and Vikings, both are good but flawed though either could get hot at the right time.

Is it possible to just not let the NFC East be in the playoffs? (Just asking.)
As of right now I'd take BAL in the A.F.C., too. But I've learned to never count T.B. and B.B. out until they are out.
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In my opinion best records - not "division winners," necessarily - should make the playoffs. So, I'm in favor of the N.F.C. East "champions" being kept from the playoffs, especially if it happens to be that team from Texas (I know that's not going to happen - that's just my opinion).
So you'd remove divisions altogether? They kind of don't work if division winners don't get playoff berths. I like divisions for rivalries.



Speaking of Cowboys hate, and the regular grousing in these threads about all the NFC East national games, I ran across two different stats related to that within the past week. First, as of two weeks ago, the highest rated night games this season by network:

TNF: Chargers @ Raiders (13.5)
SNF: Vikings @ Cowboys (23.0)
MNF: Cowboys @ Giants (14.0)

And then yesterday on PTI Tony Kornheiser mentioned that last week's Cowboys @ Patriots game was the highest rated regular season game in 5 years.
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In my opinion best records - not "division winners," necessarily - should make the playoffs.
As long as your division determines who you play twice per season then division winners will be meaningful. You'd have to eliminate that to make overall record be the only determining factor for making the post season.
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As of right now I'd take BAL in the A.F.C., too. But I've learned to never count T.B. and B.B. out until they are out.
Hmm. Much truth to this. Belichick would come up with a scheme to counter Jackson, because thatís what he does. Eliminate your biggest strength and make you win without it. If anyone can do it, he could.

The offense is built around their QB and if you can figure out how to keep him from running, is his passing going to be enough on its own? Especially if youíre not worried about him taking off every other play.
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And then yesterday on PTI Tony Kornheiser mentioned that last week's Cowboys @ Patriots game was the highest rated regular season game in 5 years.
Of course it was. With two teams like that you are guaranteed to see a hated team lose. Who can resist that?
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So you'd remove divisions altogether? They kind of don't work if division winners don't get playoff berths. I like divisions for rivalries.
Although, if you did remove division winners, there's no reason you couldn't also remove conference winners. They could just seed the top 12 teams in the league to go to the playoffs.

Right now, for example, those playoffs would look something like this:
  1. Patriots (10-1)
  2. 49ers (10-1)
  3. Saints (9-2)
  4. Ravens (9-2)
  5. Seahawks (9-2)
  6. Packers (8-3)
  7. Vikings (8-3)
  8. Bills (8-3)
  9. Chiefs (7-4)
  10. Texans (7-4)
  11. Two of Cowboys, Rams, Raiders, Steelers, Colts, Titans (all 6-5)
My tiebreaking rules for the above list are arbitrary. (I just picked them; no numbers were involved.)



I was going to say that as you remove levels of grouping, the playoff race becomes less interesting but I dunno, after putting that list together, I don't think I'd hate such a system as much as I assumed I would.

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So you'd remove divisions altogether?
Nope. I'd leave divisions (although I'd change them around a bit to match up better geographically) and the current scheduling structure. I just wouldn't have "division winner" as a criterion for making the playoffs. (C'mon - how many people around the country were grousing about the Seahawks making it to the playoffs a few years ago as a "division winner" with a 7 - 9 record?)
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They kind of don't work if division winners don't get playoff berths.
I disagree. In my opinion playoff berths should be given to the 6 teams with the best records. Period. But I guess that's just me.
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Me, too. Just not for determining which teams make the playoffs.
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As long as your division determines who you play twice per season then division winners will be meaningful. You'd have to eliminate that to make overall record be the only determining factor for making the post season.
I just think that including a team as a "division winner" is weak sauce. At the very least I would compromise by allowing all division winners into the playoffs but then seeding all teams on the basis of overall record because I hate it when, for example, a 12 - 4 "wild card" team has to go play a 9 - 7 "division winner" on the road in the playoffs. To me, that's ridiculous.
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Although, if you did remove division winners, there's no reason you couldn't also remove conference winners. They could just seed the top 12 teams in the league to go to the playoffs.

Right now, for example, those playoffs would look something like this:
  1. Patriots (10-1)
  2. 49ers (10-1)
  3. Saints (9-2)
  4. Ravens (9-2)
  5. Seahawks (9-2)
  6. Packers (8-3)
  7. Vikings (8-3)
  8. Bills (8-3)
  9. Chiefs (7-4)
  10. Texans (7-4)
  11. Two of Cowboys, Rams, Raiders, Steelers, Colts, Titans (all 6-5)
My tiebreaking rules for the above list are arbitrary. (I just picked them; no numbers were involved.)



I was going to say that as you remove levels of grouping, the playoff race becomes less interesting but I dunno, after putting that list together, I don't think I'd hate such a system as much as I assumed I would.
I agree that there is something to be said for eliminating the conference designations when it comes to the playoffs (for example, this year I think that the N.F.C. is by FAR the stronger of the two conferences) but I think that's probably too entrenched to ever be eliminated.
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Hmm. Much truth to this. Belichick would come up with a scheme to counter Jackson, because thatís what he does. Eliminate your biggest strength and make you win without it. If anyone can do it, he could.

The offense is built around their QB and if you can figure out how to keep him from running, is his passing going to be enough on its own? Especially if youíre not worried about him taking off every other play.
Would anybody in their right mind necessarily bet on a team beating a Bill Belichick-coached team twice in the same season at this point? I sure wouldn't.
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I was totally kidding. And I back your early S.B. prediction with Bal v 49ers. I've been thinking the same thing for a couple weeks now.
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