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Old 05-23-2020, 05:05 PM
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Today in Austria:
  • A poll on attitudes towards compulsory vaccination show that 55% of Austrians are in favour of making a coronavirus vaccine mandatory (if/when one becomes available), while 28% are opposed.

  • Business and government leaders in Italy have been vigorously lobbying the Austrian government to open its border for tourism. IIRC the Italian side of the border has already been open for about a week now, but Austria is still imposing border controls and a mandatory quarantine for incoming travellers, which effectively prevents Austrians from vacationing in Italy.

  • Current statistics: 16,402 confirmed infections, 639 deaths, 15,035 recovered.
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Old 05-23-2020, 05:11 PM
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And of course, we have younger people dying, too.
Right, but the point was in a developing country it may appear the death rate is 'n' and "OMG All the Young are Dying!" where really the death rate is less than it might be if there were more elderly available to be infected, as in the US and EU. In each case the young are dying too.
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[*] Business and government leaders in Italy have been vigorously lobbying the Austrian government to open its border for tourism. IIRC the Italian side of the border has already been open for about a week now, but Austria is still imposing border controls and a mandatory quarantine for incoming travellers, which effectively prevents Austrians from vacationing in Italy.

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And Slovenia too. 3 consecutive days with no new cases and no deaths here. It does look as semi dick move from other perspective. All borders open here, some restrictions still towards Italy.


OTOH. Things returning to normal. Probably "all normal" in June.
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Old 05-23-2020, 11:07 PM
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5,405,096 total cases
343,982 dead
2,247,322 recovered

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1,666,828 total cases
98,683 dead
446,914 recovered

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5,306,158 total cases
340,040 dead
2,160,039 recovered

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1,645,094 total cases
97,647 dead
403,201 recovered
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Are there news articles that relate statistics from a site like http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ to government actions or other events?

Chile seemed to have the epidemic under control, but infection rate soared beginning April 30, and is now highest in the world. What happened? Chile's death rate is still low, but is rising.

Why is Brazil's infection rate rising? What caused the sudden jump in new cases in South Dakota in early May? What works and what measures have little utility?
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Old Yesterday, 07:26 AM
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Brazil was simply not testing, meanwhile their president did not take the virus at all seriously - result is that there was no lockdown in practice and it has spread undiagnosed like wildfire.

Two of his health ministers have resigned over his lack of any policy and the country is simply rudderless when it comes to leadership and actions in relation of the virus.

The infection rate only appears to have jumped because testing has started well after the fact of the pandemic itself and in a nation of some 200million just 735k tests is nothing at all, less than 0.5% - which puts it way down the world order.

The supposed infection rate is a massive underestimate, probably two to three times under - reported.

Remember that Brazil has a relatively young population too, had the age profile have been similar to Italy or the US then the death rate would have been very much higher. As it is, just watch over the next two weeks - it will get to peak US rates in around that time.
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[list][*] A poll on attitudes towards compulsory vaccination show that 55% of Austrians are in favour of making a coronavirus vaccine mandatory (if/when one becomes available), while 28% are opposed.
Interesting. Do you know if, as in the US, the opposed-to-mandatory-vaccines folks in Austria are an odd mix of far-right individualists and woo-loving neo-hippies?

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Interesting. Do you know if, as in the US, the opposed-to-mandatory-vaccines folks in Austria are an odd mix of far-right individualists and woo-loving neo-hippies?
Not really. As I've mentioned in past reports, all three of the anti-lockdown protests that I've observed were organized or attended by far-right groups, and plenty of anti-vaxxers were in attendance. But I'm not sure if far-leftists (or even apolitical neo-hippies) also count a lot of anti-vaxxers among their members.
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Poor underlying health, maybe. But poor healthcare? Most of the younger people in the first world who aren't dying of it aren't getting much healthcare, either. They are staying home, resting, and drinking chicken soup, as they would for a cold or an ordinary flu. I'm pretty sure that "bed rest" is available medical care even to most of the world's poor.

And of course, we have younger people dying, too.

I'd venture that in much of the developing world, the extremely poor do not have the resources readily at hand to avail themselves of bedrest.
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What caused the sudden jump in new cases in South Dakota in early May?
Well, at least one contributing factor was likely a pork processing plant in Sioux Falls, which, by mid-April, had suddenly become one of the U.S.'s biggest hotspots.

Similar outbreaks across the Midwest over the past month-plus are all directly linked to meat plants, where the workers tend to work in close proximity to one another. My hometown of Green Bay suddenly became a hotspot a couple of weeks ago, specifically due to an outbreak among workers at a meat-packing plant there.

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Well, at least one contributing factor was likely a pork processing plant in Sioux Falls, which, by mid-April, had suddenly become one of the U.S.'s biggest hotspots.
I'm not sure if it's mentioned in that article, but a primary driver is that the company offered a $500 incentive to anyone who didn't miss a day of work in April. The CDC report. (PDF)
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My hometown of Green Bay suddenly became a hotspot a couple of weeks ago, specifically due to an outbreak among workers at a meat-packing plant there.
So it's the Green Bay Packers' fault. Gotcha.
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Word from Southeast Asia is Vietnam has opened up after four weeks of no no community-transmitted infections, and people are acting just like before. Amazingly, there's not been a single death there from Covid-19.
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Are there news articles that relate statistics from a site like http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ to government actions or other events?

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What works and what measures have little utility?
Highlight New Zealand in that graph.

The first datapoint on the graph is 22nd March.

Before that, public events were cancelled from 14th March (1st anniversary of the Christchurch mosque shootings, other large public gatherings).
People arriving in New Zealand were required to self-isolate (on their own recognizance) for 14 days from the 16th March, and further enforcement measures were added soon after.

Level 2 lockdown was announced 21st March (people over 70 years old and those with compromised immune systems were asked to stay at home).

Level 4 lockdown started midnight 25th March (only essential workers to go to work, schools closed to all but children of essential workers, work from home if you are able, controlled limited access to supermarkets, most other shops/workplaces closed).

Relevant dates

Alert level 4 ended midnight 27th April
Alert level 3 ended midnight 13th May

You can also look at Australia - their response was a bit slower than ours, they gained control with a generally less severe lockdown, but have a longer tail of cases that hasn't quite displayed good control of the virus. It's going to slow down the establishment of a Trans-Tasman bubble for tourism.
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Are there news articles that relate statistics from a site like http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ to government actions or other events?
If you take countries like Taiwan and New Zealand as having done more or less the right thing at the right time, the gap between their 91-DIVOC lines as a benchmark and other countries represents difference caused largely by political failure, social non-compliance and medical incapacity.

Yes, the vertical axis will differentiate similar rates of infection and death because of absolute population size, but apply the NZ-Taiwan shape and you'll see they have rapidly dropped the curve, not just slowly flattened it, and it clearly could have been if their leaders had done their job.
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Today in Austria:
  • Last week the federal chancellor—Austria's head of government—caused a scandal by failing to maintain social distancing from members of the public at an outdoor press conference. Today Austria's head of state, the president, was also seen breaking the lockdown rules, in this case by sitting in a sidewalk café over an hour past the legally mandated closing time of 23:00. It was a police patrol that discovered the president there with his wife and several other guests. It's not been reported whether the president or the café owner was fined. In a Twitter statement, the president apologized for the "error", claiming he and his companions dined at the café while it was still legally open but then lost track of the time. From what I can tell, the president is extremely popular (far more so than the chancellor), so it will be interesting to see how much, if any, this scandal damages his reputation. It seems he is already being attacked on social media, leading the Vienna Police to issue a warning, via Twitter, that anyone who criminally libels the president will be prosecuted.

  • There's been a rash of incidents throughout the country over the last week or so involving illegal gatherings of car enthusiasts. Separate events in Vienna, Salzburg, and Upper Austria were organized spontaneously through social media, leading hundreds of sports car fans to congregate in remote but relatively cramped outdoor parking lots. Public events of this size are still banned. Police broke up each of these events, handing out fines and in one case arresting an attendee.

  • Despite a recent and well-publicized mass infection at a postal distribution centre, the most common source of new infections in Vienna is currently intra-family contact, according to the city-state's medical director. Vienna currently has 476 active coronavirus cases.

  • Current statistics: 16,429 confirmed infections, 640 deaths, 15,063 recovered. There are only 28 coronavirus patients in intensive care, in only 4 of the country's 9 federal states.

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Today the New York Times printed as its front page 1,000 names of people who died of covid-19.

That is just 1% of the US death toll.

And we're only, what, 4-5 months into this pandemic?

Meanwhile, people are flocking to beaches, refusing to wear masks, gathering in groups.

The second wave is approaching.
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Today Austria's head of state, the president, was also seen breaking the lockdown rules, in this case by sitting in a sidewalk café over an hour past the legally mandated closing time of 23:00.
Seems this story is hitting the international news. It's now on the front page of the BBC, Guardian, and Politico websites (albeit not as the top story). There's an article in Austria's Der Standard speculating about whether the issue will oblige him to resign.
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Meanwhile, in Ontario...

The first really summery day resulted in Trinity-Bellwoods park in Toronto being thronged with people. The city "called the crowds 'unacceptable' and that they threatened to undo the work done over the last 10 weeks to curb the spread of the novel coronavirus."

We went to Presqu'île Provincial Park and had a little picnic, staying well away from other people. The park is open (and free until the end of May), but no services are offered; even the outhouses are closed.

Renfrew County has come up with something called "virtual triage". Essentially, paramedics are making house calls so people don't have to go to hospital.

The Premier is sow saying that anyone who feels they need a test should go and get one; not just people with symptoms. This is in part because the new-case count has been going upward for ten days.

Last Thursday, I got an email from work saying that a recall letter would be coming, giving dates and times that I would resume work. I waited for the letter, but it never came. At the last minute, there was another email saying that projected customer orders for products were way down, and I would not be returning to work for another week at least. About a quarter of the pant's production staff are back at work. So I get to lay around in the sun work on my book uninterrupted for another week.
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And in Hawaii: Alleged chicken shooter among latest arrested for quarantine violations.
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5,500,607 total cases
346,721 dead
2,302,069 recovered

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1,686,436 total cases
99,300 dead
451,702 recovered

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5,405,096 total cases
343,982 dead
2,247,322 recovered

In the US:

1,666,828 total cases
98,683 dead
446,914 recovered
The US did not record it's 100,000th death from Covid-19 today; perhaps that milestone will be passed on Memorial Day. It would certainly make it easy to remember.
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Taiwan's Central Epidemic Command Center (CECC) on Monday (May 25) announced zero new cases of Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19), marking 43 days without a new local infection.

During his daily press conference on Monday afternoon, Minister of Health and Welfare and CECC head Chen Shih-chung announced there were no new cases of coronavirus for the fourth day in a row. Taiwan's total number of cases still stands at 441.

Looking at the numbers, from April 20th, there have been only 18 total new cases. The number of active cases is now down to 20.
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