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Old 11-24-2012, 02:17 PM
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Stuttering and finding a job

What are the suitable jobs for someone who stutters?
Is it definitely a disadvantage when trying to get a job?
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:32 PM
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In positions with a lot of verbal communications, it can be seen that way.

OTOH, stuttering is a disability protected under ADA.
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:45 PM
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OTOH, stuttering is a disability protected under ADA.
Thank you

Is it protected under law in every country? Which countries have this kind of law? How can I check it?

Moreover, employer doesn't have have to tell you that he refuse to employ you because you are stutterer. He can lie.* It seems to me, this law is useless.

* I am not criticizing or judging the employer by the way. This is human nature.
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Old 11-24-2012, 03:29 PM
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Is it protected under law in every country? Which countries have this kind of law? How can I check it?
Try a search engine. Really. I bet you find a very, very short list.

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Moreover, employer doesn't have have to tell you that he refuse to employ you because you are stutterer. He can lie.* It seems to me, this law is useless.
Based on that approach, why have any law to treat people fairly? If exquisite elocution is not the predominant requirement of the job (air traffic controller, auctioneer, play by play announcer, etc.) it falls to the aggrieved to do their research and determine if a complaint or lawsuit under unlawful discrimination is worth the effort. You be surprised just how stupid potential employers can be, let alone current employers when it comes to unlawful discrimination.

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19. Why are you asking?
Because your inexperience and naivete are relevant.

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Old 11-24-2012, 02:52 PM
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What are the suitable jobs for someone who stutters?
Film, stage, and voice actor

Singer


Chairman and chief executive officer of the world's largest company


My father and brother are both stutterers. My father was a teacher for 30 years. My brother is a lawyer.

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Old 11-24-2012, 02:55 PM
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My father and brother are both stutterers. My father was a teacher for 30 years. My brother is a lawyer.
I guess they have minor problems with stuttering. Otherwise could they be a lawyer or a teacher? I don't think so.

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Old 11-24-2012, 03:03 PM
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I guess they have minor problems with stuttering. Otherwise could they be a lawyer or a teacher? I don't think so.
No, they are not minor problems. But they found ways to deal with the stuttering while performing their jobs well.

Are you a stutterer? Have you sought any kind of counseling or therapy?
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Old 11-24-2012, 03:08 PM
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As far as I can tell from youtube videos, these people have really minor problems.

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Are you a stutterer? Have you sought any kind of counseling or therapy?
Yes, of course. But they are of little help. Plus I was told by doctors there was no exact cure for this disability.
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Old 11-24-2012, 03:19 PM
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As far as I can tell from youtube videos, these people have really minor problems.
You can't tell from YouTube videos.

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Yes, of course. But they are of little help. Plus I was told by doctors there was no exact cure for this disability.
I don't know of any cure either, but there is no such thing as a list of "jobs suitable for stutterers."

How old are you?
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Old 11-24-2012, 03:25 PM
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You can't tell from YouTube videos.
Why?

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there is no such thing as a list of "jobs suitable for stutterers."
Why? When I said suitable, it meant that employer wouldn't really care about someone's stuttering. For example being a dishwasher wouldn't much pose problems for the stutterer in his work area.

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19. Why are you asking?
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Why?
Because even people with serious stuttering problems don't necessarily stutter when they're on camera.

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Why? When I said suitable, it meant that employer wouldn't really care about someone's stuttering. For example being a dishwasher wouldn't much pose problems for the stutterer in his work area.
Because even for a dishwasher any given employer might care. Discrimination isn't based on rationality. And even in jobs in which you assume that an employer would care, any given employer might not.

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19. Why are you asking?
Because it is relevant to who you are, what your experiences might be, what leads you to ask the question in the way you have.

Have you finished high school? Are you in college? What are your professional, academic, and other interests? Have you ever applied for a job or interacted with potential employers?

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Old 11-24-2012, 03:52 PM
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Because even people with serious stuttering problems don't necessarily stutter when they're on camera.
Perhaps, you are right. But, I doubt anyone with heavy/major stuttering problem could hide it in front of camera, or could find a way so that he doesn't seem to have problem with stuttering at all.

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Have you finished high school? Are you in college? What are your professional, academic, and other interests? Have you ever applied for a job or interacted with potential employers?
I have finished high school. I was in a college, but after some time, I flunked out of the college. I'll be in another college again soon. The reason that I ask this is I wonder if it'll pose any problems to me in future. And, I thought I could get some info concerning the toughness degree of problems which I may encounter.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:16 PM
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Yes, of course. But they are of little help. Plus I was told by doctors there was no exact cure for this disability.
There isn't, AFAIK.

I'm a middle-aged stutterer. I'm not terrible -- I've known people with far worse stutters than mine -- but it's there.

There are things one can do to work around it. I have no problems with rote material or (oddly) with public speaking to a group, or with reading out loud. One thing I can do (and I don't know if other stutterers are able to do this) is, when I feel it happening (I feel it more than hear it) is just stop. And then it sort of passes. So although others will hear an abrupt, maybe long, pause, they don't hear the t-t-t-t-t-t-t thing that is typical of stuttering.

Also (and this is definitely a non-FDA-approved treatment), alcohol, in moderate quantities, helps. Obviously that's not something that can be done at work, or in many circumstances, but in social settings it helps. I've often wondered if being self-conscious about stuttering makes it worse, and so alcohol, by easing or eliminating the self-consciousness, helps with the stutter.
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Old 11-24-2012, 03:59 PM
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Well, I don't know what your particular skills are, but I once had a Masters-level coworker who did data analysis. He didn't stutter, but he had a pretty serious disability that made him unable to talk clearly. He moaned and grunted a lot. He had to write everything down. And he couldn't use one hand so he often had to type with his nose.

So people do get hired. I think you'd probably have good luck with non-profits, they tend to want to diversify their employee base so they might even see this difference as a plus.
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Old 11-24-2012, 04:11 PM
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I had a college professor at a well respected liberal arts college who had a severe stutter. He was an exceptional educator.
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Old 11-24-2012, 04:31 PM
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I know someone with a stutter who is the speech writer for the Alberta Premier. Super nice guy to deal with.
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Old 11-24-2012, 04:45 PM
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What are you good at? What skills, knowledge, etc., do you think you have enough ability and motivation to acquire? Those are the questions to answer. There are stutterers in every profession and trade.

Just do a simple search for famous stutterers — Look at lists like these — http://www.stutteringhelp.org/famous-people-who-stutter

The key is to become good at something. Stop looking at yourself from the point of view that you are a stutterer and you have to find a profession or trade that doesn't care if you stutter. If you are good at something, people won't care.

My dad had such bad eyesight and such a bad stutterer that his father kept him out of school until he was 15. His entire primary and secondary education was through home schooling. His parents thought he probably would never learn to read and considered sending him to be trained as a confectioner.

He got into one of the best colleges in India and subsequently got scholarships to world-class universities thousands of miles away in Europe and America. He intentionally went into teaching, knowing that every single day of his life he would have to stand up in front of a class and find a way to talk to them.

So, the question is not what jobs are available for stutterers. It's a question of what are you prepared to do in order to get a job that you want.
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Old 11-24-2012, 05:05 PM
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I know a real estate broker who has a significant stutter. Interestingly, he is also an auctioneer. When he's calling an auction, he either doesn't stutter or the stutter blends seamlessly into the patter, I can't tell. He's a good auctioneer, though.
The vintner who sold us wine for our wedding has the worst stutter I've ever heard. He makes excellent wine and sold us cases of it for our wedding, so I don't think it was holding him back professionally, and we enjoyed working with him.
The most significant obstacle in your way, IMHO, will be your attitude, not your stutter.
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Old 11-24-2012, 05:48 PM
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The most significant obstacle in your way, IMHO, will be your attitude, not your stutter.
This. Of all the people I've known who stuttered, the biggest factor in how normal or successful their life was wasn't how severe or mild their stutter was, but how rather how they dealt with it. One thing I noticed with all of them: it's very common for someone to be uncomfortable or embarrassed when first meeting a stutterer. They were very good at using a little bit of humor to break the embarrassment and put the person at ease.

Friends of mind were married by a priest with a fairly severe stutter. He would be fine when reading a book or singing, but anything from memory was pretty bad. He started his homily with "don't worry folks, I promise you this shouldn't take more than three or four hours." The tension in the room dropped, and by the end of the service it was almost unnoticeable. People are willing to ignore a lot from people who make them laugh or feel good.
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:54 PM
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Have you tried speech therapy with a therapist who has experience dealing with stuttering?
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:56 PM
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Have you tried speech therapy with a therapist who has experience dealing with stuttering?
No. What could be the difference?
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:04 PM
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No. What could be the difference?
Really? REALLY??? You're asking if there's a difference between a speech therapist who may have a basic grasp on stuttering compared to a seasoned one who has focused countless of years on it?

Not enough in the world for you.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:15 PM
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@Silvorange, thank you for the info.

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Really? REALLY??? You're asking if there's a difference between a speech therapist who may have a basic grasp on stuttering compared to a seasoned one who has focused countless of years on it?

Not enough in the world for you.
I can imagine the difference. I am just wondering if it's really helpful. Because, as you may know, there is no cure for it.

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Not enough in the world for you.
You're right. I am an idiot.

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Old 11-25-2012, 12:20 AM
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I can imagine the difference. I am just wondering if it's really helpful. Because, as you may know, there is no cure for it.
My brother had a horrible stutter when we were kiddos. I mean so bad that he'd at times repeat the same sound 5-10 times. Seriously, t-t-t-t-t-talking to him s-s-s-s-s-some-t-t-times was like th-th-th-this. It wasn't always that bad, or else he'd have been incapable of having a conversation, but it could get pretty horrible. Went to a speech therapist, et voila. Perhaps "voila" might be the wrong term; it wasn't magical, and it took years for him to get it under wraps, but it did work. These days he barely has a stutter at all. There is some very occasional light stuttering that you wouldn't think anything of unless you knew about his stuttering problem. You would never be able to guess by the way he speaks now that he has such a sever stutter once.

Of course, your experience will depend on a lot of factors, and I don't know if this kind of thing gets harder to correct with age (maybe someone more knowledgeable or more willing to Google can say), but I do know that speech therapy for some can and does work.
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:43 PM
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I can imagine the difference. I am just wondering if it's really helpful. Because, as you may know, there is no cure for it.
There's no cure for it in the sense that there is no pill or potion you can take that will completely fix your stutter forever. But as others have anecdotally noted, targeted therapy DOES help a great deal, to the point that some people can almost completely eliminate their stutter. Some might respond better or worse than others, and it will take patience and hard work, but working with a specialist over time will almost certainly give you some improvement. I don't know you obviously, but it sounds like even a small improvement might give you a huge boost in confidence, which will make dealing with your stutter much easier. I'd strongly encourage you to make an appointment with a specialist, and keep us updated. Has there been an "Ask the stutterer" thread yet?
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:05 PM
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No. What could be the difference?
I Googled "stuttering speech therapy" and found this site:
http://www.stutteringhelp.org/why-go-speech-therapy

I was interested to learn that not all speech therapists are comfortable working with stuttering. The ones who are more experienced with it can help with communication skills in general.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:20 PM
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There aren't "cures" for a lot of things. That doesn't mean that there isn't anyone who can help you figure out how to address those things in your life.
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You know, I was going to say that any job working with computers that doesn't involve a lot of verbal interaction would be appropriate for a stutterer. Then I remembered the most severe stutterer I ever knew. He was in a small seminar class that I took in college (one with a dozen people sitting around a table). It would sometimes take him several minutes to get a single sentence out. I decided to Google him, and it turns out that he is now a partner in a software firm that does development and has a proprietary programming system.
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I just wanted to chime in with my one and only anecdote:

A friend of mine from high school had a pretty serious stutter. We would (unfairly) tease him about it, but he always took it in stride and was readily accepted by everyone based on his cheerful demeanor. We were all in the marching band together, and by the time he was a junior he was in a leadership role. Not only did he bark out orders (with some difficulty), but he had to give instruction to younger band members.

Today he's working for a garage as a tow truck driver while pursuing a nursing degree. Every summer he works with me teaching at a music camp. He still has his stutter, but he's learned to handle it quite well. On the first day of every camp, he explains to the kids that he has a stutter and there's nothing that he can do about it. He politely asks them to be patient with him if he has trouble with his words. The children have always respected him (most like him quite a bit), and there has never been an incident of the kids mocking him. His honesty and acceptance of himself seems to be the key. The stutter has never gotten in the way of his ability to instruct the students.

ETA: The dude isn't anything special to look at, but he's always got a cute girlfriend too. Just goes to show that the ladies like a man who takes his time with his words.

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Old 11-25-2012, 02:13 PM
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Here is a list of more people who stutter whose names you may recognize...... many work in theater, film, TV, broadcasting--all fields where speaking in public is common.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stutterers

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Old 11-25-2012, 04:12 PM
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Interview through Skype. Any stutter can be blamed on a poor internet connection.

I've briefly developed a stutter twice in my life. Both times from extreme stress and lack of sleep. The worst was my final semester in college. I was carrying 18 hours and under tremendous strain. Finishing school and rest got rid of the stutter.
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:05 PM
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taskmgr.exe, do you live in the United States? If not, then I can't speak to your individual situation culturally. No matter where you live, one thing that will be true is that you should get your education. Put whatever caused you to flunk out behind you. Start college again, get educated, and learn skills.

I'm not aware of anyone in my circle with a stutter. There could be people I know, but it isn't noticeable. A couple of years ago there was a saleswoman with a stutter at a local Banana Republic. She was in a customer-facing position. I asked her about jeans, and it was apparent right away that she had a stutter. She was beautiful, which might have factored in to her hire. She was able to help me find jeans the same as anyone without a stutter would.

Are you actively applying for jobs? Are you qualified for any work in particular? At 19, would it be possible to get something in construction? If you're going to college, and you have a "college job", it may not be what you'll do for your career. The school might have job opportunities. If you aren't applying for jobs, start there. The worst that will happen is you won't get a response. If you get interviews, then that at least provides interview experience, even if you don't get the job. A positive attitude, and good work ethic can make up for any other (perceived) short-comings.

I use a wheelchair. Obviously our situations are different, but we both have disabilities. I graduated from college, and I have a job. People generally want to be helpful. It makes them feel good. I think most people will understand your issue. If someone is a jerk about it, try not to let it bother you. I don't know what it was like for you growing up with a stutter. Kids can be cruel. Adults can be too, because people can be cruel, but people will grow out of it, or you won't care so much. The people who don't care about your stutter are the really good ones. Think of it as a filter. People who don't want to be around you because you stutter aren't people you want to be around anyway. The main thing is to get an education. Wherever you're going to school, check if there is a disability services office on campus. They might have some therapy available, or maybe the school has some kind of speech therapy school where you could go.

There was an episode of True Life on MTV about young people and stuttering. I don't know if it will do anything for you. There was one about paralyzed people too. It helped me remember that I'm not the first person to go through it.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:40 PM
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Here is a link to the disability law handbook. https://www.disability.gov/viewResource?id=13847806

Basically, it covers ADA and the amendments to it. You should also Search your State, as individual States will also have laws to protect those with disabilities.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:24 PM
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I had a severe stammer (as we call it in the UK) up until I was in my mid twenties. These days most people I meet don't notice it. That's not due to my being cured but having learned better strategies for managing it.

Number one is the one nearly all stammerers develop -- avoiding the problem words or finding substitutes. A lot of people see this as a problem in itself, and it can be, for example if you're not saying things you want to say. I seem to have developed a large vocabulary to give me a better choice of words. I never liked my first name and found the initial letter really hard to say, really horrible in the first week of a new school year when teachers were demanding that we say our names all the time. I happily adopted the nickname my friends gave me, which begins with a sound I can say, and use it to this day.

Number two relates to the weird sounds that some stammerers, me included make when they're struggling for speech. In some cases making a particular noise can somehow free up the words. There was a British TV personality, Patrick Campbell who would whistle. As a little kid I would make gobbling noises and contort my face with the effort of speaking then I graduated to clicking my tongue, which still made strangers look at me a bit funny, and now use a soft whisht sound, which passes under the radar.. So find a mannerism that is socially acceptable. A stammering friend would gently thump his chest, quite a common strategy, which doesn't seem to bother people.

Number three is very important. Recognise that no one, not professional speakers, not even newsreaders speak with perfect fluency, everyone hesitates, stumbles over their words and occasionally seizes up completely. (Incidentally that's why people don't notice my residual stammer. ) Recognising this helps with the vicious social anxiety feedback loop that stammerers can get in to. You are worried that you will stammer, when you actually do you feel worse. The people you are with notice your stress, you notice them noticing and get worse and so on.. The thing is it's OK to stammer. Just keep talking. If you can get your point across and seem unfazed then your listeners will relax about it too. Yes, it will be a case of fake it til you make it.

I never had any speech therapy. My parents believed it would make the problem worse. I wonder if it would have helped me to find my management strategies earlier. OTOH my chest thumping friend did have some speech therapy but it was useless as he didn't stammer when in the therapist's office.

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