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"Do you ever have deja vu?"

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Change of departure today:... Eighty percent?... seventy-five/eighty?
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(Actually, I enjoy that variation on the GD theme, but: get your own thread!)
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Somebody should remake Groundhog Day to set it in 2017. So every day you wake up Donald Trump will be President. And Groundhog Day will be the hottest West End musical!
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Ned... Ryerson. "Needlenose Ned"? "Ned the Head"? C'mon, buddy. Case Western High. Ned Ryerson: I did the whistling belly-button trick at the high school talent show? Bing! Ned Ryerson: got the shingles real bad senior year, almost didn't graduate? Bing, again. Ned Ryerson: I dated your sister Mary Pat a couple times until you told me not to anymore? Well?
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(Actually, I enjoy that variation on the GD theme, but: get your own thread!)
but there isn't a specific day for it! though i guess i could try again tomorrow...
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apologies if this has already been posted somewhere, but I just saw it for the first time today.

This video

based on
this article

attempts to analyze exactly how many days Phil spent repeating Groundhog Day in the movie.

The answer is probably more than you would guess:
SPOILER:
By their calculations, he spends about 33 years and 350 days reliving Groundhog Day!
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This is pitiful. A thousand people freezing their butts off waiting to worship a rat. What a hype. Groundhog Day used to mean something in this town. They used to pull the hog out, and they used to eat it. You're hypocrites, all of you!
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Old 02-03-2017, 11:25 AM
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I can't remember if this has been brought up before...

What if every day he repeats...continues. That every day is a branch into a new parallel universe, so to speak, that doesn't end at midnight. So every time Phil kills himself, he stays dead forever in that universe, and every day he gets arrested, he stays arrested.

And in jail he laments, "well, at least I got out." But he doesn't. He's still trapped, endlessly (maybe forever! even after the movie ends) creating new universes. So he gets to repeat the same day, AND be sent to prison for all the failed armored car robberies where he got caught, AND be dead.

And somewhere in the distance, the devil Ned Ryerson cackles maniacally.
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I always thought it was going to be quite the shock when he exits Purgatory and gets hit with the bills for all that insurance he bought from Needle Nose.
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I can't remember if this has been brought up before...

What if every day he repeats...continues. That every day is a branch into a new parallel universe, so to speak, that doesn't end at midnight. So every time Phil kills himself, he stays dead forever in that universe, and every day he gets arrested, he stays arrested.

And in jail he laments, "well, at least I got out." But he doesn't. He's still trapped, endlessly (maybe forever! even after the movie ends) creating new universes. So he gets to repeat the same day, AND be sent to prison for all the failed armored car robberies where he got caught, AND be dead.

And somewhere in the distance, the devil Ned Ryerson cackles maniacally.
This ends up asking the same kind of question as in The Prestige. What exactly does it mean when there are multiple copies of you that branch off? At the branching point, each has the same set of memories, etc, and so neither individual has any more of a claim to be the "real" copy than another; even if one stays in the same place, the one that's created elsewhere feels as though he was just transported there.

The same thing is sorta explored in some Ahnold movie (The 6th day?), although there it ends up being clear which one the copy is.
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I'm going to pat myself on the back and tell you that I wrote the definitive article on earlier Groundhog Day-like scenarios, if anyone is interested.

The First Groundhog Day Was Christmas traces the theme, with slight variations, all the way back to the 19th century. AFAIK, it's the first time all the stories have been mentioned in one article.

I didn't know any of this stuff before started researching. (What I found will surprise you. Especially #4! Isn't it always #4?) It's a weird history, appropriately full of odd repetition and overlap. If not a movie, then a good hour-long tv documentary can be made from it.
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A nice NYT article on the making of the film - interesting to see Phil and Rita with a pizza on the bed; that didn't make it into the final cut: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/15/m...e-iphone-share
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Some more GD behind-the-scenes trivia: http://www.pref.com/a/28-little-know...y-did-what/p-1

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A very personal reaction to the movie - worth a read: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...og-day/309223/
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What gets me about the movie is that not once, in all those hundreds? thousands? of Groundhog Days, we never once see Bill Murray's character try to stay up and still be awake when the clock flips from 5:59 to 6:00 the next morning.

He stays up past midnight once, and nothing happens. But his takeaway from that is presumably "staying up until the next day doesn't do anything" rather than "maybe I didn't stay up until it's really tomorrow."
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I presume it makes no difference. That is, for example, the night we see him thrown in jail, it's likely he's awake at 6:00 am. Yet he "wakes up" in bed. So regardless of what he is doing at 5:59:59.999... , he has the sensation of "waking up" at 6.
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Good evening. Tonight on 'It's the Mind', we examine the phenomenon of déjà vu. That strange feeling we sometimes get that we've lived through something before, that what is happening now has already happened.
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One of my favorite parts that I didn't really think about until after seeing it multiple times. By the last day, he knows everything about everyone. He knows the entire sequence of events that's going to happen down to the second. He's mastered countless skills.

But he has no idea if Larry has kids or not.
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Phil: Ned Ryerson - I have missed you so much. [hugs him] I don't know where you're headed, but... can you call in sick? [keeps hugging him and rubbing his back]
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This is pitiful. A thousand people freezing their butts off waiting to worship a rat. What a hype. Groundhog Day used to mean something in this town. They used to pull the hog out, and they used to eat it. You're hypocrites, all of you!
If anyone you know hasn't seen the film, deliver that line to them on the day. The shocked looks you get are absolutely priceless.
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In a YouTube of Rachmaninoff's Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini I recently watched, they had an introduction that mention the most famous variation -- the one Phil learns to play -- is an inversion. That is, the Rach took the original theme, flipped it upside down around some line in the staff so low notes went high and high notes went low, and then transposed it from minor to major I think. The result sounds amazing and really nothing at all like the original. Even cooler, as I researched it further, I found an article that connected the music to the movie. Phil gets the idea to learn the piano when he hears a Mozart Sonata over a speaker somewhere, but the piece we see him learning is a theme and variations, where the theme is repeated over and over, but each time is slightly different, and the changes are punctuated by Dies irae, and old Latin hymn. The variation he focuses on, and what he plays at the ball right before he escapes the time loop, is the one that turns the theme on its head.

There's a lot going on below the surface in that movie!
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One of my favorite parts that I didn't really think about until after seeing it multiple times. By the last day, he knows everything about everyone. He knows the entire sequence of events that's going to happen down to the second. He's mastered countless skills.

But he has no idea if Larry has kids or not.
Yeah, this was mentioned in the "Things you never noticed" thread or whatever the title is. I've seen GD many times, and never noticed that until I read it in that thread. Now I laugh every time I see that scene.
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... the theme is repeated over and over, but each time is slightly different, and the changes are punctuated by Dies irae, and old Latin hymn. The variation he focuses on, and what he plays at the ball right before he escapes the time loop, is the one that turns the theme on its head.

There's a lot going on below the surface in that movie!
VERY cool - thanks!
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I think the best way to understand just how long he was trapped is to consider the potential for learning to be the amazing pianist he turns into in the course of one hour a day, every day. And that's something he doesn't even start until he's already been trapped for a goodly long while.
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Rita: Believe it or not, I studied 19th-century French poetry.
Phil: (laughs) What a waste of time! ...I mean, for someone else that would be an incredible waste of time. It's so bold of you to choose that. It's incredible; you must have been a very very strong person.
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Rita: Believe it or not, I studied 19th-century French poetry.
Phil: (laughs) What a waste of time! ...I mean, for someone else that would be an incredible waste of time. It's so bold of you to choose that. It's incredible; you must have been a very very strong person.
The "poem" he comes up with the next time we see him was actually written for the movie, though based on a Jacques Brel lyric:

The girl I will love
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The "poem" he comes up with the next time we see him was actually written for the movie, though based on a Jacques Brel lyric....
See post 247.

When Chekhov saw the long winter, he saw a winter bleak and dark and bereft of hope. Yet we know that winter is just another step in the cycle of life. But standing here among the people of Punxsutawney and basking in the warmth of their hearths and hearts, I couldn't imagine a better fate than a long and lustrous winter.
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When Chekhov saw the long winter, he saw a winter bleak and dark and bereft of hope. Yet we know that winter is just another step in the cycle of life. But standing here among the people of Punxsutawney and basking in the warmth of their hearths and hearts, I couldn't imagine a better fate than a long and lustrous winter.
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I think the best way to understand just how long he was trapped is to consider the potential for learning to be the amazing pianist he turns into in the course of one hour a day, every day. And that's something he doesn't even start until he's already been trapped for a goodly long while.
I think the piano lessons is one thing that gets glossed over for the sake of a funny line.

There's no way Phil has been telling the instructor that it is his first lesson every time. At some point along the line he has to have progressed past traditional beginning lessons. I assume he can play Chopsticks and Heart and Soul after not too long. Then what does he start telling her? "I need an emergency second /third/fourth piano lesson"? "I'm an excellent amateur pianist but I need immediate advanced lessons?"

Plus at some point he's just going to need to practice all day. He needs to learn the piece. Does "muscle memory" reside actually in the muscles, or is it just memory? Because every day he has the same spread in his fingers, the same muscles he had the day it started. Are his hands even capable of complex playing without "piano tone"?

By the end of the film, he wouldn't need to go to the teacher, unless there isn't a single other piano in the entire town. With saving everyone else all day, he'd have little time for extended practice.

At least it wasn't guitar he tried to pick up. That would be unrealistic!
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I think the piano lessons is one thing that gets glossed over for the sake of a funny line.

There's no way Phil has been telling the instructor that it is his first lesson every time....
Well, my dad was a piano mover, so....
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Dr. Jeff Masters on Groundhog Day prognostication.

Takeaways:

1. Trust NOAA, not a large squirrel predicting the weather.

2. The drift towards more sunny Groundhog Days and therefore more, supposedly, longer winters is noticeable in the data.
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