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Old 01-29-2020, 07:14 PM
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You know their name, but don't realize it.


Saw a movie recently where someone was called "kiddo" and it reminded me of Kill Bill. In part one, we know Uma Thurman's character only as "The Bride." Except in flashbacks, Bill calls her "kiddo", which turns out to not be a term of endearment but her actual name. So can you think of other instances where the chacater's name is hidden in plain view?
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Lovey Howell from Gilligan's Island.
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Lovey Howell from Gilligan's Island.
That's a good one. I didn't realize that was her actual name until the internet came along.
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Homer J. Simpson knew his middle initial but neither he nor the audience knew what it stood for until one episode revealed that he was, in fact, Homer Jay Simpson!
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Homer J. Simpson knew his middle initial but neither he nor the audience knew what it stood for until one episode revealed that he was, in fact, Homer Jay Simpson!
Similarly, in the TV show M.A.S.H. B.J. Hunnicut's real names were revealed to be "Bea Jay".
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That's a good one. I didn't realize that was her actual name until the internet came along.
Now you mention it, I don't think I knew that until Cecil Adams mentioned it.
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Similarly, in the TV show M.A.S.H. B.J. Hunnicut's real names were revealed to be "Bea Jay".
His real name was B.J. He was named after his parents Bea and Jay.
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Took me a couple of seasons before finding out ATHF's Carl's last name was Brutananandilewski.
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I remember the flashback episode of Bonanza when Hoss was born. His mother Inga wanted to name him Eric after her father, and Ben wanted "Hoss" a mountain term for a nice, friendly person. Finally Ben said "We'll name him both and see what name sticks."

Since his mother died soon after that in an Indian attack, Hoss it was.
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Aside from Winston Smith, there is exactly one character in Nineteen Eighty-Four whose full name is revealed to the reader - everyone else is referenced solely by surname or is the love interest, Julia.

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Tom Parsons, Winston's vapid neighbor
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The narrator in Fight Club is a perfect example.
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Took me a couple of seasons before finding out ATHF's Carl's last name was Brutananandilewski.
So some guy named Carl from something called ATHF.
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The creator of Gilligan's Island has said in interviews that her real name is Eunice "Lovey" Howell (née Wentworth). He also said Gilligan's first name is Willie, so take it for what it's worth.

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"A Friend" from the movie Disclosure.
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"A Friend" from the movie Disclosure.
There was a character named "Afrend"?
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So some guy named Carl from something called ATHF.
The only reason I know that refers to Aqua Teen Hunger Force is that I looked it up to when someone referenced the poster Frylock's username.

I never watched the show, but I'm unclear how that fits the OP.
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I haven't been watching as much the last couple seasons, so I'm sure there have been some developments, or somebody will point out that my understanding is totally wrong but...


Doctor Who. After decades of playing keep away about what his real name is they have lately been hinting, and edging ever closer to canonizing that not only did the word "Doctor" become kind of a universal language constant meaning helper/healer because of the work he has done throughout time/space, but it is actually his real name.
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“Rain Man” turned out to be Raymond.
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“And what did you find, Junior?”
“Junior? Dad...”
“Please: what does it always mean, this, this ‘Junior’?”
“That's his name! Henry . . . Jones . . . Junior!”
“I like ‘Indiana’.”
“We named the dog 'Indiana'!”
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Well, if we're going to invoke comedy routines, there's Murder by Death:

Dora Charleston: What's your name?
Butler: Bensonmum.
Dora Charleston: Thank you, Benson.
Butler: No, no. Bensonmum- my name is Bensonmum.
Dick Charleston: Bensonmum?
Butler: Yes, sir. Jamessir Bensonmum.
Dick Charleston: Jamessir?
Butler: Yes, sir?
Dick Charleston: Jamessir Bensonmum?
Butler: (slightly annoyed) Yes, sir.
Dick Charleston: How odd.
Butler: My father's name, sir.
Dick Charleston: What was your father's name?
Butler: Howard. Howard Bensonmum.
Dick Charleston: Your father's name was Howard Bensonmum?
Dora Charleston: Leave it alone Dickie, I've had enough.


And Airplane 2:

Witness : Striker was the squadron leader. He brought us in real low. But he couldn't handle it.
Prosecutor : Buddy couldn't handle it? Was Buddy one of your crew?
Witness : Right. Buddy was the bombardier. But it was Striker who couldn't handle it, and he went to pieces.
Prosecutor : *Andy* went to pieces?
Witness : No. Andy was the navigator. He was all right. Buddy went to pieces. It was awful how he came unglued.
Prosecutor : *Howie* came unglued?
Witness : Oh, no. Howie was a rock, the best tailgunner in the outfit. Buddy came unglued.
Prosecutor : And he bailed out?
Witness : No. Andy hung tough. Buddy bailed out. How he survived, it was a miracle.
Prosecutor : Then Howie survived?
Witness : No, 'fraid not. We lost Howie the next day.
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His real name was B.J. He was named after his parents Bea and Jay.
I always took that to mean that he was named Bea Jay (with initials "B.J.")
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Through the Soap and much of the Benson years, we wondered what Benson's first name was. Well, it was Benson. When he ran for Lt. Governor, it was reveal his last name as "Dubois."
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I always took that to mean that he was named Bea Jay (with initials "B.J.")
As I recall, Hawkeye sneaked a peek at his service record, and found that he was officially listed as B.J. "He didn't even tell the Army!"
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I haven't been watching as much the last couple seasons, so I'm sure there have been some developments, or somebody will point out that my understanding is totally wrong but...


Doctor Who. After decades of playing keep away about what his real name is they have lately been hinting, and edging ever closer to canonizing that not only did the word "Doctor" become kind of a universal language constant meaning helper/healer because of the work he has done throughout time/space, but it is actually his real name.
Unless you believe the episode The Zygon Inversion, in which he says that his name is Basil.

My personal headcanon is that the Doctor's real, honest-to-goodness birth name is, in fact, "Basil Who." I would love for this to become canon, just for the amount of fanboy rage it would be sure to inspire.
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Unless you believe the episode The Zygon Inversion, in which he says that his name is Basil.
Or any of the episodes where he introduces himself as “John Smith”. I mean, yeah, we hear that and of course routinely brush off what seems like the laziest possible alias from some kind of space-alien trickster; but what if, in decade after decade, the guy’s just been blandly putting an honest answer out there?
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I haven't been watching as much the last couple seasons, so I'm sure there have been some developments, or somebody will point out that my understanding is totally wrong but...


Doctor Who. After decades of playing keep away about what his real name is they have lately been hinting, and edging ever closer to canonizing that not only did the word "Doctor" become kind of a universal language constant meaning helper/healer because of the work he has done throughout time/space, but it is actually his real name.
No. I think it was John Hurt's War Doctor, in The Day of the Doctor, who said that he chose that name. Also, in "Forests of the Dead" Ten tells River that there was only one time that he would, or even could, tell her his name.

I do like the thought that his/her name is actually "John Smith".
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There's that classic murder mystery, Deduce You Say, where Holmes and Watson Homes and Watkins are pursuing the Shropshire Slasher.

"Your name?"
"Shropshire Slasher."
"Occupation?"
"Shropshire Slasher."
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There's that classic murder mystery, Deduce You Say, where Holmes and Watson Homes and Watkins are pursuing the Shropshire Slasher.

"Your name?"
"Shropshire Slasher."
"Occupation?"
"Shropshire Slasher."
Related:

"Who are you? How did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith, and I'm a locksmith."
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I remember the flashback episode of Bonanza when Hoss was born. His mother Inga wanted to name him Eric after her father, and Ben wanted "Hoss" a mountain term for a nice, friendly person. Finally Ben said "We'll name him both and see what name sticks."

Since his mother died soon after that in an Indian attack, Hoss it was.
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I vaguely recall a scene from a movie where a guy is begging a stripper to tell him her real name. She keeps coyly accepting the money he offers and repeating that it's "Jane," which seems like she's toying with him, but turns out to be true. I had to Google for it, but apparently I am more or less correctly recalling the awful 2004 movie Closer.
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Well, there's this one guy on the team, Who's on first...

I was in a karate class once and a new kid joined. The teacher introduced him as Mr. New and I thought "Oh, good, verbal hazing. He doesn't even get a name. That always works out well." It took another couple classes before I found out that his last name was actually New.

In Angel, Cordelia meets one of Angel's friend, a guy named Gunn, which she assumed was a street tag but no, that's his name.

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There was a character named "Afrend"?
The email address was “a.friend” and it was a plot point that the person wasn’t just “a friend,” but was Arthur Friend.
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How about "Honey" Huan, Duke's admirer in Doonesbury?
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In the film Withnail & I, Paul McGann's character is never addressed by name. He's listed as "& I" in the credits. However, his name is known because at one point he receives a telegram, addressed to "Marwood".

As for The Man With No Name...
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How about "Honey" Huan, Duke's admirer in Doonesbury?
Her actual name is Ching Huan. She became known as "Honey" because that's what Duke called her. It's not her real name.
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I remember the flashback episode of Bonanza when Hoss was born. His mother Inga wanted to name him Eric after her father, and Ben wanted "Hoss" a mountain term for a nice, friendly person. Finally Ben said "We'll name him both and see what name sticks."

Since his mother died soon after that in an Indian attack, Hoss it was.

The character's name was Eric. "Hoss" means horse. His nickname refers to his size. Maybe it was more of a dream sequence than an actual flashback?

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The character's name was Eric. "Hoss" means horse. His nickname refers to his size. Maybe it was more of a dream sequence than an actual flashback?
No. "Hoss" does not mean horse. Here's the episode Journey Remembered (sequence starting about 34:00).

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Inger: "I had always hoped to call him Eric, after my father."

Adam: "But don't you remember. Uncle Gunnar asked us to name him Hoss!"

Inger: "Oh yes, I remember. In the mountain country* that is the name for a big friendly man."

Ben: "Hoss. I tell you what, Adam. We'll give him both names, and see which one sticks."

*of Sweden, evidently
I remember watching that episode when it was broadcast, and being surprised that "Hoss" didn't actually mean "horse." But the name probably stuck because people assumed it did. (Actually, I think it was a retcon, and the name originally was supposed to be a variant on "horse." But officially it wasn't, according to the show.)

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This one kinda-sorta fits the OP:

On the sitcom New Girl, there was a character named Winston Bishop, and another who was known only by his last name - Schmidt - until late in the final season.

Turns out, Schmidt's first name was also Winston. Years earlier, he had lost at Rock/Paper/Scissors to determine who had to give up his name to avoid confusion.
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In the epic poem Beowulf the character of Grendel's mother is famously without a name.

Or is she?

Battaglia and others have pointed out that the name of the Earth/chthonic goddess Gefion is also given in the poem. Both have similar traits. Etc.
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From the opening of The Prisoner. Many folks have interpreted that last line as "You are, Number Six" with the meaning that Number Six is now Number One.
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There's the character of "Annyong" Bluth from Arrested Development.

He was a Korean teenager adopted by Lucille Bluth. Not speaking English, he would greet people by saying "annyong" which is the Korean word for "hello". And the Bluths assumed his name was Annyong and called him this.

Two seasons later his actual name was revealed; Hel-loh, which is the Korean word for "one day". Hel-loh's family had been ruined by the Bluths and he had vowed to destroy them one day.

And this had been revealed in the first season when the banana shack had been vandalized by a then unknown person who had spray pained "I'LL GET U BLUTH HELLO" on it. Neither the Bluths or the viewers realized at the time that the vandal had signed his work.
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There's that classic murder mystery, Deduce You Say, where Holmes and Watson Homes and Watkins are pursuing the Shropshire Slasher.

"Your name?"
"Shropshire Slasher."
"Occupation?"
"Shropshire Slasher."
Well, if we are including dialog like that, then from the Harvey Birdman episode "Bannon Custody Battle"

"State your first name, your last name, and your occupation."
"Lizardman, Lizardman, and, uh, Lizardman"
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From the opening of The Prisoner. Many folks have interpreted that last line as "You are, Number Six" with the meaning that Number Six is now Number One.
... except it's recited as "YOU ... are Number Six!"

How about "Zardoz" from the film of the same name?

Or "V'Ger" from Star Trek -The Motion Picture?

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Boy band producer L.T. Smash is in fact the US Navy's Lt. Smash. Lt. L.T. Smash that is.
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In the film Withnail & I, Paul McGann's character is never addressed by name. He's listed as "& I" in the credits. However, his name is known because at one point he receives a telegram, addressed to "Marwood".

As for The Man With No Name...
As much as I like the films, the whole "Man with no name" bit bugs the heck out of me, because they're three similarly themed films featuring three similar but distinct characters played by the same actor, and each character has a different name:
Joe in Dollars
Manco in More Dollars
Blondie in Good etc.

They weren't even intended to be a trilogy. Just three separate films. "The Man With No Name" thing was the marketing ploy of United Artists, who had nothing to do with the production, they were just the American distributor.
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As much as I like the films, the whole "Man with no name" bit bugs the heck out of me, because they're three similarly themed films featuring three similar but distinct characters played by the same actor, and each character has a different name:
Joe in Dollars
Manco in More Dollars
Blondie in Good etc.

They weren't even intended to be a trilogy. Just three separate films. "The Man With No Name" thing was the marketing ploy of United Artists, who had nothing to do with the production, they were just the American distributor.
It's pretty clear none of those are his actual name, just something someone chooses to call him at the time.
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It's pretty clear none of those are his actual name, just something someone chooses to call him at the time.
No, it's pretty clear that those are the actual names of the three different characters. Those are the names as given in the credits. The fact that "The Man With No Name" concept was a later fabrication of United Artists is well documented. The characters seem similar for the same reasons most of John Wayne's characters seem similar - they were played by the same actor and were in the same genre.
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