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Old 06-07-2016, 09:12 AM
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Stupid Privileged White Kid Gets 6 Months for Rape, Father describes it as "20 minutes of action"


So uh... This is a thing.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...er_letter.html
In the few days since ex–Stanford swimmer Brock Turner was given a six-month jail sentence for sexually assaulting an unconscious woman, much of the internet’s chatter has converged on a heart-wrenching, beautifully argued, deeply felt statement the woman read to him in court. It’s a devastating account of the survivor’s revictimization during her trial, a powerful indictment of the lighter sentences imposed on white, wealthy sex criminals, and a haunting depiction of how rape culture exerts its influence on college campuses and in courts of law. The victim provided her statement to BuzzFeed News; the page been viewed more than 4 million times since Friday afternoon.

Now, the internet has an opposing letter to read: a defense of Turner reportedly written by his father, Dan. Posted early Sunday morning by Michele Dauber, a Stanford law professor and sociologist who led the school’s revision of its sexual assault policies in recent years, the letter appears to have been written prior to Brock’s sentencing to advocate for probation only, in lieu of any jail time.
So, just to be clear, this fuckbag rapes an unconscious woman, drags her through a year of court and litigation despite there being clear, incontrovertible evidence of him doing so (and as a result forcing his victim to relive the night over and over again, and have her worth as a human constantly rejected by the shitbag lawyer using the same tactics against rape victims one would expect we would have done something about by now), and faces six months of jail time.

For RAPE.

SIX MONTHS!

In a county jail!

If that's not enough of a slap in the fucking face, his father then proceeded to pen this disgusting little letter:

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...-s-Father.html

Notice how he never says "rape" or mentions the victim. Notice how he talks, not about rape, but about "20 minutes of action", quite possibly the most disgusting euphemism I've seen this year. Notice how he acts like the guilt he faces is punishment enough - never mind that, to this day, his rapist son has not admitted or even acknowledged what he did and has never apologized to his victim.

Everything about this situation is beyond disgusting. I recommend everyone read the victim's letter.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbake...read-to-her-ra

Does anyone think, even for a minute, that if this kid hadn't been privileged or white, he would have gotten off with 6 months? Maybe so - after all, this 6 months still makes this one of the most heavily prosecuted rape cases, in the top 3% or so, because most rape cases never get prosecuted.

The judge seems to think he's "not a threat to others". I'd say the fact that he has never even admitted that he did anything wrong, blames the alcohol (rather than taking any responsibility for his crimes), and refuses to acknowledge his victim is evidence enough that he hasn't figured that out, and I fear we'll see this little bastard in the headlines again in a few years.

What a gigantic clusterfuck. Rape culture in action, ladies and gentlemen.

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Old 06-07-2016, 09:25 AM
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Well worth the Pitting.
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Old 06-07-2016, 09:51 AM
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I endorse this pitting as long as we acknowledge that as bad as Brock Allen Turner is, I'm thinking the judge is the real douchebag. The father and the kid's childhood friend are pieces of shit, too.
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Old 06-07-2016, 10:12 AM
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I endorse this pitting as long as we acknowledge that as bad as Brock Allen Turner is, I'm thinking the judge is the real douchebag.
Let's be fair here - the judge is, to our knowledge, not a convicted rapist. He's just bad at his job in a disgusting way.
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As somebody pointed out in the other thread on this topic, Dan Turner is trying to keep his son out of prison. While his methods are contemptible and he's apparently raised a terrible son, I can't pit somebody for trying to protect their child.

Judge Aaron Persky, on the other hand, fully deserves this pitting. He completely failed to do his job as an impartial arbitrator seeking justice.
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Old 06-07-2016, 11:18 AM
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As somebody pointed out in the other thread on this topic, Dan Turner is trying to keep his son out of prison. While his methods are contemptible and he's apparently raised a terrible son, I can't pit somebody for trying to protect their child.
Let's just disabuse this bullshit right now: fuck that. He's not trying to "protect" his son, he's trying to help his son escape the consequences of his actions. He's a fucking douchebag who's unable to place "right & wrong" above "family" and I say that being a blood relation is no excuse for ignoring criminal "action"s. If his son had murdered a bus full of nuns, would you still give his father a pass? At some point, a person's actions are so reprehensible that any ties of blood or friendship should not matter when assessing a person's guilt and/or punishment.

No one is above the law, not even those we love.
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Old 06-07-2016, 11:39 AM
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Let's just disabuse this bullshit right now: fuck that. He's not trying to "protect" his son, he's trying to help his son escape the consequences of his actions. He's a fucking douchebag who's unable to place "right & wrong" above "family" and I say that being a blood relation is no excuse for ignoring criminal "action"s. If his son had murdered a bus full of nuns, would you still give his father a pass? At some point, a person's actions are so reprehensible that any ties of blood or friendship should not matter when assessing a person's guilt and/or punishment.

No one is above the law, not even those we love.
The problem here isn't with a parent trying to spare his son the consequences of his actions or even the son trying to get away with rape. That is not really surprising. What is offensive is a judge that goes along with it and convicts an adult to 6 months in jail because the judge doesn't think this young white Stanford boy is really a risk.

Judges let white defendants off like this much more frequently than they let off minority defendants. That's a problem.
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Let's just disabuse this bullshit right now: fuck that. He's not trying to "protect" his son, he's trying to help his son escape the consequences of his actions. He's a fucking douchebag who's unable to place "right & wrong" above "family" and I say that being a blood relation is no excuse for ignoring criminal "action"s. If his son had murdered a bus full of nuns, would you still give his father a pass? At some point, a person's actions are so reprehensible that any ties of blood or friendship should not matter when assessing a person's guilt and/or punishment.

No one is above the law, not even those we love.
Luckily, there are millions of people who are more than happy to pile on the kid. And again, not saying it's undeserved. He did a terrible thing. But if one person is going to stand on his side, it might as well be his dad.
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He had his choice of any set of words in the English language to protect his son. He chose "20 minutes of action."

I was about to compose a sample statement to show how simple it is to write a tasteful statement that acknowledges the horror of the crime and places responsibility while pleading for leniency. But I don't need to do take- you can imagine it. It's not that hard to say something that isn't reprehensible.
I said his methods were contemptible. But I don't blame a parent for saying contemptible things in defense of their child. I'm not a parent but if I was I'd be willing to slander, defame, and lie about somebody if it kept my kid out of prison.
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Let's just disabuse this bullshit right now: fuck that. He's not trying to "protect" his son, he's trying to help his son escape the consequences of his actions. He's a fucking douchebag who's unable to place "right & wrong" above "family" and I say that being a blood relation is no excuse for ignoring criminal "action"s. If his son had murdered a bus full of nuns, would you still give his father a pass? At some point, a person's actions are so reprehensible that any ties of blood or friendship should not matter when assessing a person's guilt and/or punishment.

No one is above the law, not even those we love.
I expect a normal parent to place their love for their child above their interest in objective justice. I expect a parent to be biased towards their child.

Dan Turner wants to save his son from prison. And I'm sure Emily Doe's father wants to beat Brock Turner to death with a baseball bat. That's why our legal system keeps family members out of the loop. A parent's bias in favor of their child shouldn't be a factor in our legal system. The legal system is supposed to be impartial.
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Let's just disabuse this bullshit right now: fuck that. He's not trying to "protect" his son, he's trying to help his son escape the consequences of his actions. He's a fucking douchebag who's unable to place "right & wrong" above "family" and I say that being a blood relation is no excuse for ignoring criminal "action"s. If his son had murdered a bus full of nuns, would you still give his father a pass? At some point, a person's actions are so reprehensible that any ties of blood or friendship should not matter when assessing a person's guilt and/or punishment.

No one is above the law, not even those we love.
I agree. Fuck that bullshit.
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Old 06-07-2016, 11:20 AM
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As somebody pointed out in the other thread on this topic, ...........
As long as we're going there.....

I made a joke in that other thread, and someone suggested I should be ashamed of myself. Since I saw a Mod note that I should basically "Shut the Fuck Up" in that thread, I'll defend myself here, in The Pit.

First of all, the joke was not about rape, and certainly not at the expense of the victim. That would be fucked up and in poor taste.

If you don't get the joke, sorry, sucks to be you. I'm not going to explain it. But I'd be willing to bet if Louis C. K. made the joke during a monologue on SNL, people would he howling with laughter.

Second, if you think some topics are "off the table" for joking about, again, sucks to be you. You need to step back and stop taking life and yourself so fucking seriously.

Rape is horrible. To make light of victims of rape would be horrible. But there sure are an awful lot of jokes being told about Cosby right now. See the difference?

I thought my "joke" was fucking hilarious!
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Old 06-07-2016, 11:41 AM
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it seems to me that many men's thinking is that rape isn't a big deal, it is basically sex and that women should get all that upset about lack of consent. Cause it is just sex. Since they (these men) all want to have sex everything is viewed through that lens.

women "owe" sex if a guy buys her dinner or a drink. Or apparently if she is breathing. Women owe sex so if a man "takes" it is just what he is owed. a woman flirts with a man, she owes him sex, Apparently, if you just talk to some men, it is an indication you want sex with him. So what is the bid deal? Why ruin someone from doing really important stuff like sports over sex. Like that politician once said, just lean back and enjoy it.

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Old 06-08-2016, 08:03 AM
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As long as we're going there.....

I made a joke in that other thread, and someone suggested I should be ashamed of myself. Since I saw a Mod note that I should basically "Shut the Fuck Up" in that thread, I'll defend myself here, in The Pit.

First of all, the joke was not about rape, and certainly not at the expense of the victim. That would be fucked up and in poor taste.

If you don't get the joke, sorry, sucks to be you. I'm not going to explain it. But I'd be willing to bet if Louis C. K. made the joke during a monologue on SNL, people would he howling with laughter.

Second, if you think some topics are "off the table" for joking about, again, sucks to be you. You need to step back and stop taking life and yourself so fucking seriously.

Rape is horrible. To make light of victims of rape would be horrible. But there sure are an awful lot of jokes being told about Cosby right now. See the difference?

I thought my "joke" was fucking hilarious!
That makes one of you.
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#1, #2, and #3 - sure.

But the system doesn't work without defense attorneys, and even pieces of shit deserve good ones (which is an indictment of the public defender process in most areas - even the good ones are buried under overwork).
That's fair. It is the defense attorney's job to put their best foot forwards - it is the judge's job to decide their best isn't good enough, and that this asshole will be spending the next decade in prison.
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Old 06-07-2016, 05:28 PM
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As somebody pointed out in the other thread on this topic, Dan Turner is trying to keep his son out of prison. While his methods are contemptible and he's apparently raised a terrible son, I can't pit somebody for trying to protect their child.
I am perfectly happy to pit someone for trying to protect a rapist from the consequences of their actions, regardless of any blood ties. The father is a scumbag and if it were up to me would get prison time for the offensiveness of his defense of his son. In protecting his child, he's attacking someone else's child. That's just evil.
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The father is a scumbag and if it were up to me would get prison time for the offensiveness of his defense of his son.
Maybe Liberals can manage to win 75% of Senate and abolish The First Amendment. Then every state can have their own Speech Penal Code.
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Let's be fair here - the judge is, to our knowledge, not a convicted rapist. He's just bad at his job in a disgusting way.
The judge is no less a rapist that the kid. He is someone a person can turn to, to get justice; the remedy of last resort when a person's been wronged. And he's taken that responsibility and used it to torture the victim beyond the initial rape . . . and this time she didn't have the "blessing" of being unconscious.
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Let's be fair here - the judge is, to our knowledge, not a convicted rapist. He's just bad at his job in a disgusting way.
No, he is also sucks as being a human being to had let that shitbag off so easy!
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20 minutes of "action". Jesus on rollerskates what a father figure...

Not just rape culture, OP, but entitled privilege, that expects and encourages lenient treatment based on "what a fine young man he is otherwise" and "he's not likely to try to rape anyone else", and "the mere record already ruins his prospects". What deterrent is there then?

Like mentioned elsewhere if instead he were from some lower-social-standing demographic, he'd be headed up the river for years.
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The whole thing is disgusting. My daughter's about to enter a university as a freshman, and while I believe the school to be safe enough, this type of thing scares the shit out of me as a father.
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As somebody pointed out in the other thread on this topic, Dan Turner is trying to keep his son out of prison. While his methods are contemptible and he's apparently raised a terrible son, I can't pit somebody for trying to protect their child.



Judge Aaron Persky, on the other hand, fully deserves this pitting. He completely failed to do his job as an impartial arbitrator seeking justice.

He had his choice of any set of words in the English language to protect his son. He chose "20 minutes of action."

I was about to compose a sample statement to show how simple it is to write a tasteful statement that acknowledges the horror of the crime and places responsibility while pleading for leniency. But I don't need to do take- you can imagine it. It's not that hard to say something that isn't reprehensible.

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I thought you only got shown mercy if you expressed remorse and admitted your crime? Why is a kid who refuses to do either getting such a light sentence?

And when will the press switch from "Stanford student and swimmer...", to "The accused rapist..."?

If you can afford a high powered lawyer, it seems things can go your way regardless!
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I thought you only got shown mercy if you expressed remorse and admitted your crime? Why is a kid who refuses to do either getting such a light sentence?

And when will the press switch from "Stanford student and swimmer...", to "The accused rapist..."?

If you can afford a high powered lawyer, it seems things can go your way regardless!
At this point isn't he a convicted rapist?

The convicted Stanford swimmer rapist?
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At least he is now a lot more infamous than he would have been if he had gotten a longer sentence. There is no way he can ever put this behind him now.
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Notice how he never says "rape" or mentions the victim.
Here, someone fixed that for you.
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It's not rich and influential people thinking they are above consequences!

It's rich and influential people demonstratingly being clearly above consequences, that's the problem!
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Notice how he never says "rape"...
Keep in mind that he was convicted of "attempted rape", not "rape". If he admitted "rape" in his statement, might that put him in legal jeopardy?

This seems like a classic case of plea bargaining to me. Aren't the vast majority of all cases settled on a plea bargain? Not much consolation to the victim, but that's the system we live in.
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Keep in mind that he was convicted of "attempted rape", not "rape". If he admitted "rape" in his statement, might that put him in legal jeopardy?

This seems like a classic case of plea bargaining to me. Aren't the vast majority of all cases settled on a plea bargain? Not much consolation to the victim, but that's the system we live in.
Wasn't a plea. This was after a jury convicted him.
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Keep in mind that he was convicted of "attempted rape", not "rape". If he admitted "rape" in his statement, might that put him in legal jeopardy?

This seems like a classic case of plea bargaining to me. Aren't the vast majority of all cases settled on a plea bargain? Not much consolation to the victim, but that's the system we live in.
The two felonies that had the word "rape" in the title were dropped, but the three felonies of which Turner was convicted are entirely unambiguous. Wapo cite

Brock Turner was convicted of:

- assault with intent to rape an intoxicated woman

- sexually penetrating an intoxicated person with a foreign object

- sexually penetrating an unconscious person with a foreign object.


I think they dropped the other charges because there was no semen - probably because he was interrupted, of course. The victim was found with dirt and pine needles in her vagina.

Here's the victim's statement in full - it's well worth a read.

http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2...-away-my-worth

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And when will the press switch from "Stanford student and swimmer...", to "The accused rapist..."?
Please. Convicted rapist.

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This seems like a classic case of plea bargaining to me. Aren't the vast majority of all cases settled on a plea bargain? Not much consolation to the victim, but that's the system we live in.
I'd say once you force your victim to relive her rape over the course of an entire year because you think the fact that she has memory loss means you could get away with it, then lose the court case anyways, you lose the right to a plea bargain. And the right to be able to eat solid food again.

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The dad's letter starts off with "he is truly sorry for what occurred that night and for all the pain and suffering...he has expressed true remorse for his actions on that night."

This letter was delivered after the guilty verdict, so consequences were unavoidable. The purpose was to ask for leniency in his sentencing. And it apparently worked.
It's also a damn dirty lie. Brock at no point addressed this remorse to the one person he should have addressed it to - the victim. He never gave any indication that he was sorry for what he did, or that he accepted responsibility.

This judge should be fucking disbarred. This is a travesty.

Oh yeah, on a side note: a friend of mine on facebook responded to this with, "If there actually was a rape culture, he wouldn't have seen jail time". Or should I say former friend, because I am just absolutely sick of that sniveling bullshit. You want rape culture? Here's your fucking rape culture. A culture wherein the true victim is the rapist, except they aren't really a rapist, because they're such a nice guy and they were all drunk, and the real villain here is political correctness.

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Here's the victim's statement in full - it's well worth a read.

http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2...-away-my-worth
Ddamn; that lady can write.

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There is an effort started to recall the judge.

Maybe one reason for the judge's attitude was this:
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Persky went to law school at UC Berkeley's prestigious Boalt Hall School of Law after graduating Phi Beta Kappa from Stanford University, where he was captain of the lacrosse team, with a bachelor's degree in international relations and a master's in international policy studies.
From here.
So, former Stanford athlete feels pity for current Stanford athlete.

And here, from the father's letter, we find that boohoo, the little kid has lost his appetite.
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As it stands now, Brock's life has been deeply altered forever by the events of Jan 17th and 18th. He will never be his happy go lucky self with that easy going personality and welcoming smile. His every waking minute is consumed with worry, anxiety, fear, and depression. You can see this in his face, the way he walks, his weakened voice, his lack of appetite. Brock always enjoyed certain types of food and is a very good cook himself. I was always excited to buy him a big ribeye steak to grill or to get his favorite snack for him. I had to make sure to hide some of my favorite pretzels or chips because I knew they wouldn't be around long after Brock walked in from a long swim practice. Now he barely consumes any food and eats only to exist.
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There is an effort started to recall the judge.

Maybe one reason for the judge's attitude was this:

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So, former Stanford athlete feels pity for current Stanford athlete.

And here, from the father's letter, we find that boohoo, the little kid has lost his appetite.
Consumed with worry, fear, anxiety, and depression. But not with guilt, responsibility, or remorse. No talk of empathy.
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The dad's letter starts off with "he is truly sorry for what occurred that night and for all the pain and suffering...he has expressed true remorse for his actions on that night."

This letter was delivered after the guilty verdict, so consequences were unavoidable. The purpose was to ask for leniency in his sentencing. And it apparently worked.
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The dad's letter starts off with "he is truly sorry for what occurred that night and for all the pain and suffering...he has expressed true remorse for his actions on that night."

This letter was delivered after the guilty verdict, so consequences were unavoidable. The purpose was to ask for leniency in his sentencing. And it apparently worked.
It should not have.
That is on the judge.

As for the dad, I don’t think he truly acknowledges his son’s crime.

“He is truly sorry for what occurred”?
How about “He is truly sorry for what he did”?
How about “He is truly sorry for what he did to that woman”?

That would be a start.
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It should not have.
That is on the judge.

As for the dad, I don’t think he truly acknowledges his son’s crime.

“He is truly sorry for what occurred”?
How about “He is truly sorry for what he did”?
How about “He is truly sorry for what he did to that woman”?

That would be a start.
Or he could just be honest about it: "He is truly sorry that he got caught."
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The kid clearly knew he was in the wrong. The two swedes had to chase him down and tackle him.
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The kid clearly knew he was in the wrong. The two swedes had to chase him down and tackle him.
So what you're saying is, he got stepped on by two Swede dudes ?
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Or he could just be honest about it: "He is truly sorry that he got caught."
And convicted. Expressing remorse AFTER he puts the victim through a jury trial, and after he gets on the stand and lies to his teeth is bullshit.

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Along with the six month jail (not prison) time, he got three years probation and, more importantly, sex-offender registry for life, which is no small thing. He's most likely appealing the verdict in hopes of getting out of being on the sex offender registry.
I wonder if the fact that he will be on the registry, and there is anything the judge could do about that, a factor in the sentencing, in the judge's mind. Maybe the judge is thinking "being a registered sex offender for life is so punitive, he'll suffer enough. He doesn't NEED hard time."

I'm on record as not being a fan of the sex registry, especially "for life." I'd much rather see him get a 10 year prison sentence, with double time allotted for good behavior, the way it is in most states, so he might be on parole (which isn't probation) for five years after serving five years of actual prison time, then after that, another 2-3 years of probation where he could have conditions of probation like not drinking, and he'd be monitored, albeit not as closely as he was on parole, and have him be a felon for the rest of his life, which is bad enough, and a predicate felon if he ever commits another felony, even a non-violent one, so that a sentence for anything he does in the future will be longer and stronger, but after the 12 or 13 years, while he will still be a convicted felon, and an ex-con, he will be able to get a job, and live anywhere. He won't be driven to living off the grid, or into illegal activities-- or in this kid's particular, probably sponging off his parents, maybe even living with them, as long as they are not within a mile of a school or park.

I have no way of knowing what was in the judge's head, but I've just added another reason to my list of reason's why I'm against the registry-- it might result in lighter sentencing, if it's considered as a sentencing factor, you know, one of the things on the scale the judge weighs when he considers whether someone has been punished enough.
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Just for laffs, let's summarize the bullet points of another letter written on Brock's behalf, this time by one of his friends:

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/06/broc...f-support.html

- Brock Turner shouldn't be referred to as a rapist but rather as a swim star - despite the fact that he committed rape.
- Never mind the evidence or the jury verdict, this person is too kind and nice to ever do something like that
- It's okay because he was drunk and "not in control"
- Just because he raped someone doesn't mean he should have to suffer any kind of consequences for it
- She was unconscious, therefore there's no way she could know she didn't give consent (WHAT?!)
- A rape is just things "getting out of hand"
- Rape is not always because of rapists (WHAT?!?)
- Political Correctness is why we classify simple things such as men getting drunk and fucking women without their consent as rape
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Just for laffs, let's summarize the bullet points of another letter written on Brock's behalf, this time by one of his friends:

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/06/broc...f-support.html

- Brock Turner shouldn't be referred to as a rapist but rather as a swim star - despite the fact that he committed rape.
- Never mind the evidence or the jury verdict, this person is too kind and nice to ever do something like that
- It's okay because he was drunk and "not in control"
- Just because he raped someone doesn't mean he should have to suffer any kind of consequences for it
- She was unconscious, therefore there's no way she could know she didn't give consent (WHAT?!)
- A rape is just things "getting out of hand"
- Rape is not always because of rapists (WHAT?!?)
- Political Correctness is why we classify simple things such as men getting drunk and fucking women without their consent as rape
Jesus. I think I'm gonna puke.
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Jesus. I think I'm gonna puke.
The friend in question is a member of a band called Good English. The band has just had five New York-area gigs canceled by various venues, because of the letter she wrote.

In response, she has just released an open letter on Facebook, in which she attempts to explain why she wrote her letter in support of Brock Turner, and attempts to clarify what she was really trying to say.

https://www.facebook.com/goodenglish...17477681600309

TLDR version: the alcohol was to blame.

As with so many such non-apologies, she should have remembered the useful maxim: "When you're deep in the hole, the first thing to do is stop digging."

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The friend in question is a member of a band called Good English. The band has just had five New York-area gigs canceled by various venues, because of the letter she wrote.

In response, she has just released an open letter on Facebook, in which she attempts to explain why she wrote her letter in support of Brock Turner, and attempts to clarify what she was really trying to say.

https://www.facebook.com/goodenglish...17477681600309

TLDR version: the alcohol was to blame.

As with so many such non-apologies, she should have remembered the useful maxim: "When you're deep in the hole, the first thing to do is stop digging."
Just a heads-up to folks that that Facebook page is gone (or at least temporarily unviewable).

Seems likely to me that the rest of the band went "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SAYING AND WHY ARE YOU SAYING IT ON THE BAND PAGE?????" and took it all down.

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As with so many such non-apologies, she should have remembered the useful maxim: "When you're deep in the hole, the first thing to do is stop digging."
Not the best idiom to use in a rape case
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#1, #2, and #3 - sure.

But the system doesn't work without defense attorneys, and even pieces of shit deserve good ones (which is an indictment of the public defender process in most areas - even the good ones are buried under overwork).
Sure. Like flies to shit.

The perpetrator has a right to defense, but that should not mean his victim has to suffer bullying in court.
Did you read the victim's letter? Do you understand what that sleazy lawyer put her through?
Hell, even the rapist, who seems otherwise devoid of empathy, felt the need to distance himself from his lawyer's underhanded tactics.

No, this was not a "good" lawyer.

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Just for laffs, let's summarize the bullet points of another letter written on Brock's behalf, this time by one of his friends:

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/06/broc...f-support.html
Absolutely disgusting.
If the judge let this sort of bullshit in any way sway his decision, as seems to be the case, he should be given the boot.

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Ddamn; that lady can write.
Indeed.
I was both moved and impressed.

Did that wretched judge just ignore this?
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If the judge let this sort of bullshit in any way sway his decision, as seems to be the case, he should be given the boot.
Petition here.
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The really terrifying thing about that piece of shit Brock Turner, his piece of shit father, and the piece of shit judge? None of them are unique. They're not even unusual. All of them are replicated thousands upon thousands of times, all over the world.

The only reason this case is getting any attention is because the victim is incredibly articulate and eloquent. Apart from that, all of this - the rapist who feels that another person's body is his property, the father outraged that raping a woman should have any effect at all on his son's life, the judge who agrees, the woman whose trauma and suffering are totally discounted and dismissed - all of this happens every day. Every single day. It just goes unnoticed. And if this victim weren't so eloquent, her case would have gone unnoticed too.
A poignant observation.
And horrible to think that the system betrays and doubly victimizes those who do not have such a strong voice.

Hell's bells! Even the articulate and powerful plea by this remarcable woman was ignored.

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Petition here.
Thank you. This is comforting to know.
I'd love to sign this petition, but I don't suppose it's open to non-citizens/non-residents of the US?
(I've never used Change.org, so I don't know how it works, but will be happy to sign if I can.)
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