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Old 09-04-2019, 01:03 PM
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There should be an age limit on the Presidency.


This shouldn’t be controversial, but it seems as though it is. If you’re of an age where people have cause to worry you might have senile dementia, or that you might get it during your term, you shouldn’t be allowed to run for President.

I have to retire at 65 because society has determined that’s when my usefulness as an employee starts to sharply drop off. I, like most people, am very OK with that because I’ve zero desire to work into my 70s anyway. But if I did, I’d probably be politely ushered out anyway, and for good reason. And my job is about a billion times less difficult and stressful than the Presidency.

I get that the Founding Fathers said any natural born citizen over 35 could run for President. But you know what the average life expectancy was back then? I looked it up: 35 if you were an average Joe and 64 if you were an aristocrat. These criteria, like many things the Founders decreed, are out of date and need to be changed.

We’ve got a 73 year old President and a 78 year old presumptive front runner. Both might very well be suffering from dementia. One can’t talk about a single topic for more than 30 seconds without wandering off into the weeds, and the other seems to think websites and phone numbers are the same thing. This is simply deranged.

I get that there are plenty of 80 year olds who are sharp as a tack (Bernie Sanders, for instance, doesn’t look like he’s slowing down...yet) but that doesn’t change the fact that they’re at an increased risk of dementia and that risk grows bigger every day. The Presidency is simply too important to be given to people who might be on the verge of losing their marbles.

Proposition: If you’re older than 65, you can’t run for President. If you’re 65 and make it through your first term OK then you can have a crack at a second term, but no first termers over 65.

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Old 09-04-2019, 01:10 PM
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But you know what the average life expectancy was back then? I looked it up: 35 if you were an average Joe and 64 if you were an aristocrat.
Pretty sure you're looking at the wrong statistic here. That one likely incorporates childhood deaths. While lives have extended in the modern era, the average life expectancy of an adult hasn't changed that dramatically.

Anyway, that's relatively minor.

I disagree with your idea. In fact, I think we should remove the existing age and natural-born requirements from the presidency. America should not have second-class citizens, be they young, old, or foreign-born. Everyone should be able to run for the office of the President.

I think your arguments are a great reason not to vote for old people though.
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Old 09-04-2019, 05:26 PM
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I don't know how old you are, but today you can't be forced to retire because you're 65.

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When Congress first passed the ADEA [Age Discrimination in Employment Act], it protected only workers between the ages of 40 and 65. Once an employee reached the age of 65, he or she could be forced to retire. However, the ADEA was amended over 25 years ago to protect all employees who are 40 and older. As a result, today it is illegal for employers to adopt a mandatory retirement age.
I'm also older than 65 and I think it would be a huge mistake to vote for anyone over that age for President. The historical record backs that up.

But I'd be reluctant to put that in the Constitution. People do live longer and healthier with all their faculties today. Huge amounts of research into Alzheimer's is being done and several promising approaches will probably come onto the market over the next ten years. We don't have any idea where medicine can take us. Now is a particularly bad time to mess around with stuff we don't know the consequences of.
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I don't know how old you are, but today you can't be forced to retire because you're 65.
There are exceptions- IIRC, you can't be a pilot after 65, nor a FBI agent after 57, or a General in the military past 64, or an enlisted man past 62.

I'm not at all sure why a FBI agent naturally loses his zip at 57, but we assume some geezer in his 70s is peachy keen for being President.
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:23 PM
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There are exceptions- IIRC, you can't be a pilot after 65, nor a FBI agent after 57, or a General in the military past 64, or an enlisted man past 62.

I'm not at all sure why a FBI agent naturally loses his zip at 57, but we assume some geezer in his 70s is peachy keen for being President.
The standard for restricting political power or participation should be substantially higher than for being a pilot or a general or any other occupation.

I mean: I agree that people over 65 are more likely to have serious mental deficiencies in the next 4-8 years than younger people. That's not in dispute.

What's disputed is whether that's sufficient reason to keep people from voting for the candidate of their choice. I don't think it is. I'm deeply suspicious of any restrictions on who may vote or whom they may vote for. I think the only requirement to vote or hold office in the US should be citizenship (and, maybe, term limits), and any other restrictions should be removed. Because restrictions are toxic to the idea of political freedom.
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Old 09-04-2019, 06:39 PM
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I think your arguments are a great reason not to vote for old people though.
Here in america we don't really get a choice. If your party decides to run a 90-year old, then you vote for the 90 year old or you don't vote for anyone, at least as far as the presidency is concerned.
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Here in america we don't really get a choice. If your party decides to run a 90-year old, then you vote for the 90 year old or you don't vote for anyone, at least as far as the presidency is concerned.
You can vote for one of the other candidates. Doesn't mean that candidate will win. Clearly, if you think that being 90 is such a huge impediment, you should just vote for a third party, or even for the other major party candidate.

If you're not willing to do that, I'm not sure why we should enshrine it in the Constitution. You've already proven that the 90-year-old you're willing to vote for is a better candidate than the other one. "We should amend the constitution because a majority of voters want to vote for someone I think shouldn't be president" isn't a very compelling argument.

"My preferred candidate can't get enough votes to win" is very much not the same as "I don't get a choice for whom to vote."
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You can vote for one of the other candidates. Doesn't mean that candidate will win. Clearly, if you think that being 90 is such a huge impediment, you should just vote for a third party, or even for the other major party candidate.

If you're not willing to do that, I'm not sure why we should enshrine it in the Constitution. You've already proven that the 90-year-old you're willing to vote for is a better candidate than the other one. "We should amend the constitution because a majority of voters want to vote for someone I think shouldn't be president" isn't a very compelling argument.

"My preferred candidate can't get enough votes to win" is very much not the same as "I don't get a choice for whom to vote."
Wow, this doesn't align with my experience at all. Telling an american to vote third party is never good advice, for a starter, and lunging from that to "the guy voting against everything you value is a better candidate due to youth" is dubious at best.

Chronos has the right of it, to whatever degree the common man's vote has weight in the primaries. By the time it gets to the final voting booth, your choices are like it, go home, or make a third-party vote that is exactly equivalent to going home.
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Old 09-04-2019, 10:06 PM
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I disagree with your idea. In fact, I think we should remove the existing age and natural-born requirements from the presidency. America should not have second-class citizens, be they young, old, or foreign-born. Everyone should be able to run for the office of the President.
If we can just jam through a constitutional amendment before 2020 then Schwarzenegger could (would) primary the Orange Disgrace.
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Old 09-05-2019, 11:41 AM
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If we can just jam through a constitutional amendment before 2020 then Schwarzenegger could (would) primary the Orange Disgrace.
Thus bringing us just a bit closer to the world as portrayed in Demolition Man.

I was actually excited by Schwarzenegger's Governorship, even though I wasn't a huge fan of his policies, because I thought he was potentially going to be popular enough to push for that change.

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lunging from that to "the guy voting against everything you value is a better candidate due to youth" is dubious at best.
If we agree that there are lots more important qualities in a candidate than their age, why should we disqualify candidates based on age?

Your scenario is essentially that a (potential) majority of voters want to vote for the 90-year-old they agree with over the younger candidate they disagree with, but we should somehow prevent that 90-year-old, who has popular support of voters, from running?
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Old 09-05-2019, 12:58 PM
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If we agree that there are lots more important qualities in a candidate than their age, why should we disqualify candidates based on age?

Your scenario is essentially that a (potential) majority of voters want to vote for the 90-year-old they agree with over the younger candidate they disagree with, but we should somehow prevent that 90-year-old, who has popular support of voters, from running?
My scenario is that we (somehow) decide that after a given age (say, 65), there's too high a probability that they're going to be a bad president for one reason or another.

The issue is not that we wish to screen out some specific 90 year old; the issue is that we (somehow) decide that we don't want any geriatric in the position. The closest that any current old farts play in to the equation is that they're belatedly showing us that the system in general isn't doing a good job of keeping the seniles out, so steps should maybe be taken.

As for some specific old dude being popular, I'm highly confident that were the rules to change, some other young dude would step into his shoes.
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Old 09-05-2019, 01:10 PM
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Bigotry and ageism.

Maybe since "some women get hysterical" and get angry during their "time" we should also forbid women from being president.

Or those blacks- we know how they are, dont we?
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My scenario is that we (somehow) decide that after a given age (say, 65), there's too high a probability that they're going to be a bad president for one reason or another.
Right, I understand exactly what you're arguing.

I'm saying that limiting people from voting for who they want based on probabilities is a bad road to go down. A much better solution to that problem is to convince voters not to vote for old people, to convince older Presidents to select a cabinet that won't be afraid to invoke the 25th Amendment and to select a Vice President who is younger and ready to step in.
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Pretty sure you're looking at the wrong statistic here. That one likely incorporates childhood deaths. While lives have extended in the modern era, the average life expectancy of an adult hasn't changed that dramatically.

Anyway, that's relatively minor.

I disagree with your idea. In fact, I think we should remove the existing age and natural-born requirements from the presidency. America should not have second-class citizens, be they young, old, or foreign-born. Everyone should be able to run for the office of the President.
I agree with everything I quoted. Removal of the existing restrictions (35, time living in US etc) is not going to happen either because it would also require a constitutional amendment and nobody cares enough to go through that rigamarole on this issue.

But conceptually it's going the wrong way to add restrictions. If you don't trust the people (even via the Electoral College, which isn't the issue wrt age of candidates) to elect the right president then why have an elected president? Invite an unemployed noble to be constitutional monarch. Seriously, the Founders had limited faith in the electorate (as reflected throughout the document, and also outside it in terms of states' voter qualification requirements at the time), but the general evolution has been toward more. If medical advances allow people to be effective presidents in their 70's or in the future their 90's, then we have to have an amendment to allow that? Seems ridiculous to me. That's exactly the sort of thing voters should decide without a lot of preconditions. As opposed to say changing individual rights where the 'momentary passions of the people' are rightly more constrained by the constitution's text and courts' interpretation of it. The existing restrictions on who can be president are the anomaly, not the fact that they aren't more.

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Old 09-04-2019, 05:29 PM
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Agree. I'd like to set the limit at age 62. That way, if elected and reelected, you'd be around 70 by the time you left the Oval Office.
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Old 09-04-2019, 05:37 PM
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OK then, it shouldn't only be the President, it should be SCOTUS, and all of congress too. They have co-equal power in our form of government.
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Old 09-04-2019, 06:42 PM
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The problem with setting some arbitrary age limit is basically the same as setting any arbitrary limit on who can be president (or USSC or Congress-critter or whatever)...that it's going to be arbitrary. In addition, any age limit you set today is almost certainly going to be out of date, so to speak, in the future...just like if you set one in the past it wouldn't be applicable today. As medical technology progresses, someone who is in their 80's or even 90's CAN still be fully functional...until they can't. And when they aren't is going to depend on the individual, not some broad category grouping or actuary table. Certainly folks in their 70's today are much more functional, as a group, than a similarly aged group of folks in the 50's, and my WAG is this is going to continue to change as the population ages and companies focus on that market (not just in the US...many other countries have worst aging issues than we do). There will be a HUGE (hands) market for this stuff in the next 30 years, assuming the world doesn't go completely tits up and we go back to the joys of hunting and gathering (well, the few survivors anyway).

Myself, I think it's like any other decision that voters need to take responsibility for when they choose a candidate. We shouldn't 'fix' this issue and take those choices out, especially when we actually do have a succession system in place to deal with it if it becomes a real issue. I think we don't need an age limit on the presidency or on Congress or even on the USSC. I think there are a lot of bigger issues in our political system currently than this one. YMMV of course.
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The problem with setting some arbitrary age limit is basically the same as setting any arbitrary limit on who can be president (or USSC or Congress-critter or whatever)...that it's going to be arbitrary.
Yes, it's arbitrary. But I expect we're going to hear a massive amount of talk about this issue in the next fourteen months. And it will all be saying that the acceptable age for somebody to get elected President is older than seventy-four and younger than seventy-seven.
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The party doesn't decide to run a 90-year-old without your input, though. If you don't want a nonagenarian in the general election, then vote against him in the primaries.
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If youíre of an age where people have cause to worry you might have senile dementia
That should be: if the President's actions/behavior give serious cause to believe he/she is suffering mental impairment. Setting an arbitrary age for disqualification for office ignores the reality that many people function very well into "old age", while some who are much younger are deteriorating or never had really good cognitive function to begin with.

There could at some point be a crisis where the President or other high elected official is displaying prominent signs of impairment, and it might become necessary to demand formal cognitive testing or proceed with impeachment. During his second term in 1919, Woodrow Wilson suffered a severe stroke (when he was 63 years old) and his mental faculties were apparently severely impaired, a condition lasting until he left office in March 1921, requiring his wife and senior aide(s) to help make executive decisions.

What should not be acceptable is ageist discrimination or labeling someone demented because they support policies you detest or in general behave like a jerk.
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Yeah, while I definitely consider that "too old for the Presidency" is a real thing (and that certain current and former candidates for or holders of the office have met that criterion), I'd be against imposing a formal age limit on the office.

Even less so in the case of SC Justices, who don't have to trundle all over the world and make important decisions quickly the way Presidents do.
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IF there is one, it should be in the early/mid 70s at the start of your first term as the cutoff. By that age you should still be competent to handle the job and if you are a developed human being, you've got 20 years of life experience above and beyond a person who is in their 50s.
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I don't care about their age. I care that they know what the fuck they're doing, or at the very least have a rudimentary knowledge of how the federal government works.

Thus, I would like a standard high school civics test to be administered to each candidate that they must take in full public view, given at a random time without warning.
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Requires a constitutional amendment, which will never happen.
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Requires a constitutional amendment, which will never happen.
Can we stop trying to end every debate about election rules with "You would need an amendment!"
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Age discrimination is a thing. But not in this thread.

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Can we stop trying to end every debate about election rules with "You would need an amendment!"
Apparently, some posters need to be reminded.
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There should be an age limit of 70 for all federal officials -- executive, legislative and judicial.
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Old 09-08-2019, 07:22 PM
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Then there should also be a maximum age limit on voting.
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Can we stop trying to end every debate about election rules with "You would need an amendment!"
Why would we, when most of the proposed changes do, in fact, require an amendment?
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Why would we, when most of the proposed changes do, in fact, require an amendment?
Because when the response to the question "would this be a good idea if we could somehow enact this into law" is "it's not currently the law", then that's threadshitting.
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I think there is a huge problem in American politics where the older generation(s) simply refuse to let go of the reins and allow the younger generations to take the country in a direction they would like to see.
And when they get old enough they can take the reins and do what they think is right... (Unlikely that they will as their opinions will likely have change by then). But why should someone's impatience mean that older people can't use their experience to benefit the country?

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I would drop the minimum age requirement to 21 and I would cap the max age at 55 for ALL elected positions as well as SCOTUS.
I'm older than the max age now, but one thing I do know is the last person who should be running a country is myself at age 21. Now, no problem (compared to orangutan)

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I mean: I agree that people over 65 are more likely to have serious mental deficiencies in the next 4-8 years than younger people. That's not in dispute.
How 'likely'? 90%? 1%? At this age I've forgotten more than my younger self ever knew. Yet I still know more that he did.

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Why? Surly you don't think that voting for someone is equivalent to actually holding a high stress elected position...do you???
Far more important. A voter decides who is elected. Morons shouldn't be allowed near a voting booth. As most young people are not much smarter than that they probably shouldn't be allowed, either. So, if the age limit for President is 35, then no one younger than that should be allowed to vote for them.
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Because when the response to the question "would this be a good idea if we could somehow enact this into law" is "it's not currently the law", then that's threadshitting.
"A law" does not equal "constitutional amendment." The two things are entirely different entities. One way--although not the only way--in which they differ is that an amendment is about 3 orders of magnitude more difficult to enact.

If you saw somebody carrying a plastic dog crate, and boasting that he was going to go out into the woods and use the crate to trap a bear, would you consider it "threadshitting" to point out that he was using the wrong equipment?
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I think there is a huge problem in American politics where the older generation(s) simply refuse to let go of the reins and allow the younger generations to take the country in a direction they would like to see. In my limited experience, the older you get the more likely you will be satisfied with treading water and working hard to maintain the status quo and I am sick and tired of having to wait for the old guard to die before we can get some fresh blood into the political machine.

I would drop the minimum age requirement to 21 and I would cap the max age at 55 for ALL elected positions as well as SCOTUS.
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I think there is a huge problem in American politics where the older generation(s) simply refuse to let go of the reins and allow the younger generations to take the country in a direction they would like to see. In my limited experience, the older you get the more likely you will be satisfied with treading water and working hard to maintain the status quo and I am sick and tired of having to wait for the old guard to die before we can get some fresh blood into the political machine.

I would drop the minimum age requirement to 21 and I would cap the max age at 55 for ALL elected positions as well as SCOTUS.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is in the same position in 2019 as Joe Biden was in 1973. Both elected to Congress at the age of 29. Unless she decides to run for president immediately once she turns of age (and wins) I suspect you'd want her to have as long a career as he has because if she does then she'll have accomplished an agenda you want.
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Don't we have 90 year old judges on the supreme Court.
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Don't we have 90 year old judges on the supreme Court.
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is in the same position in 2019 as Joe Biden was in 1973. Both elected to Congress at the age of 29. Unless she decides to run for president immediately once she turns of age (and wins) I suspect you'd want her to have as long a career as he has because if she does then she'll have accomplished an agenda you want.
I am an AOC fan. I like where she chooses to focus her attention and I love the energy and passion she brings to the table. That being said, if/when the time comes where she cannot or will not bring the energy and passion or her agenda changes from "how can we move forward" to "how can we maintain the status quo" I would hope that she is self aware enough to realize it's time to walk away and hand the reins off to someone younger, more energetic and passionate with an agenda that looks toward the future. Hopefully she will be able to step aside with grace and work to help guide the next generations instead of trying to "rule" the next generations in a manner that is all to common these days.

I'm in my mid-forties now and I have often found myself apathetic to the voting process as it has often felt like a choice between a hodgepodge of old people who are more interested in forcing others to live by their rules and don't give a shit about anything the younger generation(s) care about. If we want more young people to actively and enthusiastically participate in the democratic process we need to give them the space and opportunity to get involved and create their own agenda. And the only way to create the necessary space is to force the older generation to walk away.

I know this is probably coming off as ageism and I do apologize for that. But in my opinion, after you reach a certain age you need to face the uncomfortable fact that the future does not belong to you and you shouldn't be the one to decide how we get there.
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I'm in my mid-forties now and I have often found myself apathetic to the voting process as it has often felt like a choice between a hodgepodge of old people who are more interested in forcing others to live by their rules and don't give a shit about anything the younger generation(s) care about.
I used to think it was a generational gap that was the problem, but the older I get, the more I'm thinking that the real problem is that politicians' first duty (as they perceive it) is to get re-elected and/or enrich themselves, or recently with the Tea Partiers, loyalty to a specific ideology.

So you get elected officials whose goals often run counter to what's best for their constitutents, either because they're busy doing what's best for themselves, or they're busy adhering to some sort of ideological concept without regard for the real world.

I tend to think that's a bigger deal overall than whether or not there's a lot of concern among middle-aged and older politicians about student loan debt among millenials.
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Are those of you opposed to any maximum age limit equally opposed to the existing minimum age limit?
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Are those of you opposed to any maximum age limit equally opposed to the existing minimum age limit?
I am. I think it should be up to the voters to decide, case by case.

And the problem with SCOTUS is not the lack of age limit, it's the fact that it's a lifetime appointment with very little chance of being removed from office before death.

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Why? We already had a Regan who was known to have Dementia very early on and he is hailed and one of the best Presidents of the modern era.
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Why? We already had a Regan who was known to have Dementia very early on and he is hailed and one of the best Presidents of the modern era.
Not by people who are sentient.
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Why? We already had a Regan who was known to have Dementia very early on and he is hailed and one of the best Presidents of the modern era.
I would be very interested in cites that Reagan was "known" to have dementia "very early on."

Meanwhile, back in the real world, there were some suspicions that he had dementia late in his second term.
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Why? We already had a Regan who was known to have Dementia very early on and he is hailed and one of the best Presidents of the modern era.
"Hailed as" != "was."

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I have to retire at 65 because society has determined thatís when my usefulness as an employee starts to sharply drop off.
This is actually not true. Nobody has to retire at 65, and many people can't afford to. 65 is just the age limit where society decided people should get various retirement benefits so that they don't have to work if they don't choose to.

I'm in favor of elected officials being bound by an age limit of 70. No doubt that many people keep their faculties by the age of 70, but most people are already suffering some mental decline by that age.

The Trump and Reagan presidencies highlight the fact that not only do we have no functioning mechanism to determine whether a president has lost his marbles, we lack the political capacity to ask the question.

I'm actually OK with that. I wouldn't want a president I like being harassed by constant mental health challenges from a hostile congress. For that same reason I'm OK that sitting presidents can't be indicted. But if we're going to be lax on elected officials that way, we should have more strict statutory limits on who gets to wield that kind of power.
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I have to retire at 65 because society has determined that’s when my usefulness as an employee starts to sharply drop off.
Social Security has determined that you don't get full retirement benefits until age 67, so "society" has determined (with money, which is what counts) you should work for at least a couple more years.

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We’ve got a 73 year old President and a 78 year old presumptive front runner. Both might very well be suffering from dementia. One can’t talk about a single topic for more than 30 seconds without wandering off into the weeds, and the other seems to think websites and phone numbers are the same thing. This is simply deranged.
There's another front-runner in the race who is 70 years old. The 2016 Democratic nominee is 71. The 2008 Republican nominee was 72 when he ran, and continued to serve in the Senate for another 8 years. Bob Dole was 73 when he ran in 1996 and remained politically active for another 20 years.

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I get that there are plenty of 80 year olds who are sharp as a tack (Bernie Sanders, for instance, doesn’t look like he’s slowing down...yet)
More than HALF the justices on the Supreme Court are over age 65 (Sonia Sotomayor is 65, Samuel Alito 69, Clarence Thomas 71, Stephen Breyer 81, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 86. The Pope is 83 and Queen freakin' Elizabeth is 93.

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Remember those old men in front of the Kremlin looking at soldiers parading by?

They were all younger than the current crop of geriatrics running for president.

(Trump 73, Biden 76, Sanders 77, Warren 70
Khrushchev died at 77, Breshnev at 75, Andropov at 69, Chernenko at 73)

What is up with Americans and their politicians?
Do they think people get smarter as they age? (Have they met their grandparents?)
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Yet another vote for: You can't set a specific number, because "too old" happens at such different ages for different people.
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Yet another vote for: You can't set a specific number, because "too old" happens at such different ages for different people.
But think of how fun it would be to say that you can't run for public office after the age of 45!

The effects on the political parties would be amazing.
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But think of how fun it would be to say that you can't run for public office after the age of 45!
Don't trust anyone over 30.
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