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Old 09-11-2019, 02:35 PM
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Hello all,

The long-awaited study from the University of Alaska/Fairbanks was out a few days back, with appropriate media coverage. But if you missed it, here's a heads up.

They seem to rule out NIST's proposed collapse mechanism and their simulation of simultaneous failure of all columns is uncannily like the real-life collapse.

What do you make of it?
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The last sentences from the draft report:

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It is our conclusion that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near simultaneous failure of all columns in the building and not a progressive collapse involving the sequential failure of columns throughout the building.
Despite simulating a number of hypothetical scenarios, we were unable to identify any progressive sequence of failures that could have taken place on September 11, 2001, and caused a total collapse of the building, let alone the observed straight-down collapse with approximately 2.5 seconds of free fall and minimal differential movement of the exterior.
This is more of a "what happened" conclusion not a "why it happened" conclusion.

There does not appear to be a discussion of why there was a global failure. Me? I am going with aliens.

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It is our conclusion that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near simultaneous failure of all columns in the building and not a progressive collapse involving the sequential failure of columns throughout the building.
Despite simulating a number of hypothetical scenarios, we were unable to identify any progressive sequence of failures that could have taken place on September 11, 2001, and caused a total collapse of the building, let alone the observed straight-down collapse with approximately 2.5 seconds of free fall and minimal differential movement of the exterior.
Wow, that summary is just dripping with 9/11 Truther talking points.

I would hope that the structural physics world would look into it and then see if it still stands. However, I don't think any real working experts will actually waste their time with it.
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Wow, that summary is just dripping with 9/11 Truther talking points.
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However, I don't think any real working experts will actually waste their time with it.
I suspect the people who "commissioned" this study are counting on the fact that no reputable authority will actually waste their time on debunking more of this bullshit.

Also, there is some comments on the linked site that says they will solicit public opinion prior to publishing the full results of the study later this year. Sounds completely legit to me.
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I would hope that the structural physics world would look into it and then see if it still stands.

I thought that the whole point of the discussion is that WTC 7 isn't still standing.
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There does not appear to be a discussion of why there was a global failure. Me? I am going with aliens.
Go with them, by all means, and enjoy your anal probe.
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Of course, there's always the compromise theory.
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Dr Hulsey has been doing work for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, who appear to have commissioned this study, for several years. While he claims to be a forensic structural engineer, it appears he has no specific training in that area. He is a well trained and respected civil engineer otherwise.

I don't have the engineering chops to review the paper, I'll let others do that. But at first glance I am suspect of a report commissioned by quacks that happens to support their primary thesis.
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The long-awaited study from the University of Alaska/Fairbanks was out a few days back, with appropriate media coverage.
(Bolding mine.) Which is to say, coverage from the university itself, a few scattered sources in Alaska, and sites with monikers involving "9/11truth" and such. Places like Reuters and CNN haven't jumped on the study. I'm guessing that's "appropriate."
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Hello all,

The long-awaited study from the University of Alaska/Fairbanks was out a few days back, with appropriate media coverage. But if you missed it, here's a heads up.

They seem to rule out NIST's proposed collapse mechanism and their simulation of simultaneous failure of all columns is uncannily like the real-life collapse.

What do you make of it?
What brought this to your attention, and what do you think about it?
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All I can find is from 2017. I can't tell if this is newer than that.

The first thing that occurs to me is that if it was controlled demolition, why was it only in WTC7, and did the airliners crashing into the other towers cause those to collapse but not WTC7?

No idea how reputable Dr. Leroy Hulsey is among his peers.

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Just to provide a link: Breaking: UAF study says government wrong on World Trade Center collapse.
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Subtitled "ALASKA-LED TEAM VINDICATES 911 ‘TRUTHERS’"
Inspires confidence in the report, don't it?
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Let's sidestep the physics and math for a moment. One issue 9/11 Truthers have never answered is why the U.S. government (or whoever was nefarious enough to rig this thing) would want to knock down WTC7. What does knocking down the relatively-obscure, little-known building called WTC7 get them that knocking down the two big Twin Towers alone didn't?
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Let's sidestep the physics and math for a moment. One issue 9/11 Truthers have never answered is why the U.S. government (or whoever was nefarious enough to rig this thing) would want to knock down WTC7. What does knocking down the relatively-obscure, little-known building called WTC7 get them that knocking down the two big Twin Towers alone didn't?
Supposedly because that's where their "let's demolish the WTC" HQ was. Never mind the fact that it would have been simpler to toss all the "evidence" into one of these truck-sized industrial shredders.
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Let's sidestep the physics and math for a moment. One issue 9/11 Truthers have never answered is why the U.S. government (or whoever was nefarious enough to rig this thing) would want to knock down WTC7. What does knocking down the relatively-obscure, little-known building called WTC7 get them that knocking down the two big Twin Towers alone didn't?
To the conspiracy theory inclined, that the supposed motives are unfathomable is "evidence" of a conspiracy, it just "proves" how insidious and powerful the Forces of Evil TM are that they can obscure their actions to such degree.

It really boils down to the "thought" process of, we don't know how it was done or why, but that's the sort of thing THEY would do so it must have been THEM.

I would fully expect a Truther to argue, when pressed, that we don't know why they did it because "it" was what was covered up by demolishing that building.
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Let's sidestep the physics and math for a moment. One issue 9/11 Truthers have never answered is why the U.S. government (or whoever was nefarious enough to rig this thing) would want to knock down WTC7. What does knocking down the relatively-obscure, little-known building called WTC7 get them that knocking down the two big Twin Towers alone didn't?
I have only ever seen two "explanations". Either it was because some evidence of the conspiracy was being stored in there and/or because Larry Silverstein is Jewish (insert conspiracy theory and/or stereotypes about Jews).
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I have only ever seen two "explanations". Either it was because some evidence of the conspiracy was being stored in there...
... because it makes SO much sense to get rid of evidence by having the contents of the building be strewn all over lower Manhattan. Have they never heard of a paper shredder?
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Hello all,

The long-awaited study from the University of Alaska/Fairbanks was out a few days back, with appropriate media coverage. But if you missed it, here's a heads up.

They seem to rule out NIST's proposed collapse mechanism and their simulation of simultaneous failure of all columns is uncannily like the real-life collapse.

What do you make of it?
I've never understood why this building fascinates the 9/11 Truther CT types, to be honest. There really aren't any mysteries as to why the building collapsed. Basically, a ton of building material fell on it from the other WTC tower collapses (BURNING debris at that), and due to water main breaks and, kind of other priorities happening the building was left burning all day without fire fighters really doing much (read: anything).

I did look up a NIST FAQ page on WTC 7, for anyone interested. Been a while since I looked into this (since the last crazy 9/11 Truther came here to discuss it), but I recall seeing some of the models and it seems more than plausible that, along with the initial damage to structural supports facing the tower collapse damaged sections, the fire weakened the rest of the supports over hours of uncontrolled burning, leading to a collapse. Certainly there is zero evidence of explosives or anything like that, so seems a red herring to me to talk about simultaneous collapse in some sort of sinister tones.

Since the OP didn't link to this great report, and since it seems, unsurprisingly to have come from 9/11 CTer types I don't really think it's worth looking at. If the OP felt there was something compelling in there I figure s/he would have linked to and quoted it. What do I make of it? Last gasp by the 9/11 Truther types to try and get some traction for their crazy theories would be my guess.
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Since the OP didn't link to this great report, and since it seems, unsurprisingly to have come from 9/11 CTer types I don't really think it's worth looking at. If the OP felt there was something compelling in there I figure s/he would have linked to and quoted it. What do I make of it? Last gasp by the 9/11 Truther types to try and get some traction for their crazy theories would be my guess.
The linked site says the report is not yet published. They wish to solicit public opinion first. Target date is end of 2019:

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“During this period, we welcome any and all members of the public to submit constructive comments intended to further the analyses and presentation of findings contained in the report.
IOW: Submit your lunatic fringe conspiracy theories to us and we'll try to include them in the report.
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The linked site says the report is not yet published. They wish to solicit public opinion first. Target date is end of 2019:



IOW: Submit your lunatic fringe conspiracy theories to us and we'll try to include them in the report.
Well, you know, ALL peer reviewed papers are generally submitted to solicit public opinion first....right? Right?? Isn't that how it works???

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{...} What do I make of it? Last gasp by the 9/11 Truther types to try and get some traction for their crazy theories would be my guess.
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Explain this:

(1) Why did all three buildings collapse symmetrically as in a controlled demolition?
(2) Why did all three buildings collapse at free fall rates of speed ?
(3) WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane. Why would normal office furnishings and material cause such a massive structural collapse?
(4) Why wasn't the steel from the structures analyzed for explosives and why was it shipped to China for scrap rather than keeping for it for analysis of a crime beyond the government issued explanation?
(5) What were the explosions that many people heard?
(6) How could there be molten steel under ruins three months after the collapse?
(7) How did the fire get so "bad" in a relatively modern structure that would surely pass code?
(8) Why has no other skyscraper collapsed the way these three buildings did?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=LgYNPaO1rNY

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(1) Why did all three buildings collapse symmetrically as in a controlled demolition?
(2) Why did all three buildings collapse at free fall rates of speed ?
(3) WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane. Why would normal office furnishings and material cause such a massive structural collapse?
(4) Why wasn't the steel from the structures analyzed for explosives and why was it shipped to China for scrap rather than keeping for it for analysis of a crime beyond the government issued explanation?
(5) What were the explosions that many people heard?
(6) How could there be molten steel under ruins three months after the collapse?
(7) How did the fire get so "bad" in a relatively modern structure that would surely pass code?
(8) Why has no other skyscraper collapsed the way these three buildings did?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=LgYNPaO1rNY
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(1) Why did all three buildings collapse symmetrically as in a controlled demolition?
(2) Why did all three buildings collapse at free fall rates of speed ?
(3) WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane. Why would normal office furnishings and material cause such a massive structural collapse?
(4) Why wasn't the steel from the structures analyzed for explosives and why was it shipped to China for scrap rather than keeping for it for analysis of a crime beyond the government issued explanation?
(5) What were the explosions that many people heard?
(6) How could there be molten steel under ruins three months after the collapse?
(7) How did the fire get so "bad" in a relatively modern structure that would surely pass code?
(8) Why has no other skyscraper collapsed the way these three buildings did?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=LgYNPaO1rNY
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Jig is up, guys; He's on to us! Quickly now, everybody back to HQ-A51 for decontamination and departure.

Leave the illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator -- take the cannoli.
Instead of sarcasm, why not answer question one? I thought this was a forum for intellectual debate. No?

I always accepted until the official government narrative until seeing several videos arguing something different. I'm open minded. Set me straight.
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Explain this:

(1) Why did all three buildings collapse symmetrically as in a controlled demolition?
(2) Why did all three buildings collapse at free fall rates of speed ?
(3) WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane. Why would normal office furnishings and material cause such a massive structural collapse?
(4) Why wasn't the steel from the structures analyzed for explosives and why was it shipped to China for scrap rather than keeping for it for analysis of a crime beyond the government issued explanation?
(5) What were the explosions that many people heard?
(6) How could there be molten steel under ruins three months after the collapse?
(7) How did the fire get so "bad" in a relatively modern structure that would surely pass code?
(8) Why has no other skyscraper collapsed the way these three buildings did?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=LgYNPaO1rNY
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Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, saw the movie, read the novelization of the movie, got the action figures, got a complete set of the collector cards, ate the cereal, played the card game, played the video game, got the bobblehead, tried the beer, read the blog, watched the vlog, saw the music video and gave at the office.
You don't have the coffee mug or the commemorative condoms?
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(1) Why did all three buildings collapse symmetrically as in a controlled demolition?
(2) Why did all three buildings collapse at free fall rates of speed ?
(3) WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane. Why would normal office furnishings and material cause such a massive structural collapse?
(4) Why wasn't the steel from the structures analyzed for explosives and why was it shipped to China for scrap rather than keeping for it for analysis of a crime beyond the government issued explanation?
(5) What were the explosions that many people heard?
(6) How could there be molten steel under ruins three months after the collapse?
(7) How did the fire get so "bad" in a relatively modern structure that would surely pass code?
(8) Why has no other skyscraper collapsed the way these three buildings did?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=LgYNPaO1rNY
(1) They didn't.
(2) Gravity.
(3) WTC7 got hit by a very large chunk of WTC1.
(4) If the steel was immediately sent to China, what was all that metal at the Fresh Kills landfill for nearly a decade?
(5) The survivors from Stairwell B in WTC1 reported only hearing the tower collapsing above them, no mention of any explosions.
(6) There is no reliable source for molten anything, certainly not steel. Images supposedly showing molten anything have either been misinterpreted or outright doctored.
(7) Being property of the Port Authority, all seven buildings were exempt from codes.
(8) No other buildings utilizing the exact same construction as the original World Trade Center complex have been struck by airliners.

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(1) They didn't.
(2) Gravity.
(3) WTC7 got hit by a very large chunk of WTC1.
(4) If the steel was immediately sent to China, what was all that metal at the Fresh Kills landfill for nearly a decade?
(5) The survivors from Stairwell B in WTC1 reported only hearing the tower collapsing above them, no mention of any explosions.
(6) There is no reliable source for molten anything, certainly not steel. Images supposedly showing molten anything have either been misinterpreted or outright doctored.
(7) Being property of the Port Authority, all seven buildings were exempt from codes.
(8) No other buildings utilizing the exact same construction as the original World Trade Center complex have been struck by airliners.
(1) Every video I've seen shows all three buildings collapsing symmetrically. One would think that one side or portion would collapse first followed by other sections. Instead everything falls at the same time.
(2) Free fall speed is the speed at which something falls without an opposing force. The lower levels of each building should have at the very least slowed the progression of the collapse.
(3) That doesn't explain the massive fuel source needed to weaken WTC7's structure.
(4) See the video. Many sources claim proper testing was not conducted.
(5) There are multiple video interviews claim hearing explosions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRaKHq2dfCI
(6) See video. Lots of interviews stating extreme heat levels.
(7) While the Port Authority was exempt from codes, that doesn't mean the building were structurally unsound and waiting to collapse. How could they have received insurance otherwise?
(8) But there have major fires in skyscrapers and nothing remotely similar has happened.

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Faulty assumptions based on bad information.


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What became of the people who were on those planes?
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What became of the people who were on those planes?
I personally picked aircraft wreckage out of the rubble at the Pentagon. So I'm pretty sure where that airplane went.

Of course, I could be part of the conspiracy.
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(4) Why wasn't the steel from the structures analyzed for explosives and why was it shipped to China for scrap rather than keeping for it for analysis of a crime beyond the government issued explanation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=LgYNPaO1rNY
I was flippant when I addressed this earlier. The scrap wasn't sent to China. Some of it is in Baltimore, right now, today ( https://baltimore.org/listings/attra...d-911-memorial ). If the government really did try to destroy the evidence, why leave 22-tons of evidence outside in Baltimore?

How about you repost your list every time someone debunks one of our claims? The we know what to concentrate on, and please never says #4 again. You now know that it is not true, so if you say that it is, you are saying something you know is wrong. Please don't forget in 364 days.
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(1) Why did all three buildings collapse symmetrically as in a controlled demolition?
As in, straight down? it's called gravity.
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What makes you think they did? Look at the videos.
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A helluva lot of debris being blown sideways by 1 and 2 during their collapses hit 7.
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Because there was no reason to analyze it. Most of the debris was actually sent to a landfill on Staten Island. Or are you saying the Chinese were in on the asbestos-insurance scam?
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(5) What were the explosions that many people heard?
The ones from the grassy knoll? There were a lot of sudden, sharp sounds from big things breaking during the collapses. Which are you characterizing as explosions, and why?
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(6) How could there be molten steel under ruins three months after the collapse?
There couldn't. Molten and re-hardened steel, sure, plenty of that. Molten because of the jet-fuel fire, re-hardened as it cooled off. Question for you: Do you think explosives cause mostly melting, or fracture?
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(7) How did the fire get so "bad" in a relatively modern structure that would surely pass code?
Code does not and still does not require surviving a plane crash.
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(8) Why has no other skyscraper collapsed the way these three buildings did?
What other skyscrapers have been hit by airlines full of fuel?
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All this talk of explosive residue testing (or a lack of) for WTC steel makes me wonder... when Kennedy was assassinated (either one), did they test for arsenic? I mean, how do we know it wasn’t poisoning that finished them off?
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A helluva lot of debris being blown sideways by 1 and 2 during their collapses hit 7.
It's been a few years, but the biggest impact damage to WTC7 was due to a very large chunk of core columns from the North Tower toppling over and smacking WTC7.

With both the North and South Towers, the perimeter area collapsed quickly, but left behind and still standing, large sections of the massive core columns, which stood for a few seconds more before they fell apart. The core columns were strong vertically, but relied on connections to the tube structure of the perimeter columns to keep them upright. Once the perimeter was gone, the core columns failed, and one or more of those toppled to the north and hit WTC7, leaving a giant gouge all the way down its south face.
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(6) How could there be molten steel under ruins three months after the collapse?
There could not and there was not.

http://911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html

Claims of "molten steel" are using casual language. Note the number of references to "red hot" metals. Molten steel is pale green.
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(1) Why did all three buildings collapse symmetrically as in a controlled demolition?
Why wouldn't they? How did you think they would collapse?

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(2) Why did all three buildings collapse at free fall rates of speed ?
Why wouldn't they? What kind of speed should they collapse at?

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(4) Why wasn't the steel from the structures analyzed for explosives and why was it shipped to China for scrap rather than keeping for it for analysis of a crime beyond the government issued explanation?
Why would it be analysed for explosives? Was in analysed for the bitemarks of goblins? And as people have shown, it was hardly shipped off.

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(5) What were the explosions that many people heard?
What kind of noises do you think towers like that will make when the concrete starts to shatter?

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(6) How could there be molten steel under ruins three months after the collapse?
There couldn't and isn't. Why would you think there would be?

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(7) How did the fire get so "bad" in a relatively modern structure that would surely pass code?
Because an airplane hit it.

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(8) Why has no other skyscraper collapsed the way these three buildings did?
Because fully fueled passenger airplanes haven't hit them.

What you are doing here is set out a lot of "why did", like why did the towers fall at freefall speed, why did it look like a controlled demolition, without setting out why you think that is wrong and how you think the towers should behave.

Tell us how you think it should have happened and how that differs from the real events.
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What kind of noises do you think towers like that will make when the concrete starts to shatter?
Not to mention that the sound of jumpers' bodies hitting pavement has been described as "the popping of wet paper bags".
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(1) Why did all three buildings collapse symmetrically as in a controlled demolition?
(2) Why did all three buildings collapse at free fall rates of speed ?
(3) WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane. Why would normal office furnishings and material cause such a massive structural collapse?
(4) Why wasn't the steel from the structures analyzed for explosives and why was it shipped to China for scrap rather than keeping for it for analysis of a crime beyond the government issued explanation?
(5) What were the explosions that many people heard?
(6) How could there be molten steel under ruins three months after the collapse?
(7) How did the fire get so "bad" in a relatively modern structure that would surely pass code?
(8) Why has no other skyscraper collapsed the way these three buildings did?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=LgYNPaO1rNY
The controlled demolition of a skyscraper is something that takes weeks to prep using heavy equipment and explosives. And it's a bit more complex than sticking a couple of magic satchel charges to the main columns and pressing an "arm" button. Is the hypothesis that a crew came into WTC7 either during the 9/11 attack or in the weeks beforehand, drilled a bunch of holes, laid a bunch of charges and strung a bunch of det-cord without anyone noticing and leaving no trace of their presence during one of the most observed scrutinized events in human history?
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I've never understood why this building fascinates the 9/11 Truther CT types, to be honest. There really aren't any mysteries as to why the building collapsed. Basically, a ton of building material fell on it from the other WTC tower collapses (BURNING debris at that), and due to water main breaks and, kind of other priorities happening the building was left burning all day without fire fighters really doing much (read: anything).
So you "claim" that having tons of "material" fall on a building that then "burns" all day is enough to make it collapse? Impossible. It was made out of steel and steel doesn't burn. Rosie O'Donnell was able to prove that without "degrees", "research" or even "intelligence".
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Here's some numerical results for you:

There used to be 1 building called WTC7.
Now there are 0 buildings called WTC7.
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I've often wondered what the government would have done had the buildings not collapsed. Imagine if the two towers were just looming over NYC dangerously unstable yet refused to fall. You would have to evacuate all of Manhattan indefinitely.

I struggle to think how you would even dismantle them? Certainly not safely anyway.

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I've often wondered what the government would have done had the buildings not collapsed. Imagine if the two towers were just looming over NYC dangerously unstable yet refused to fall. You would have to evacuate all of Manhattan indefinitely.

I struggle to think how you would even dismantle them? Certainly not safely anyway.
Well, no.
Even if they didn't fall, you'd only have to evacuate the Lower Manhattan area - the WTC buildings aren't going to crush the Empire State Building if they fell...
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I've often wondered what the government would have done had the buildings not collapsed. Imagine if the two towers were just looming over NYC dangerously unstable yet refused to fall. You would have to evacuate all of Manhattan indefinitely.

I struggle to think how you would even dismantle them? Certainly not safely anyway.
This Cecil Adams column mentions some methods that could be used to deconstruct a skyscraper, although I don't think the usual methods would be possible if the buildings were not intact.

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