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Old 09-29-2017, 05:43 AM
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The Blade Runner thread


With Blade Runner 2049 coming out in early October, I thought I could start a thread about the original movie, a scientific masterpiece that scared the heck out of me as a boy and impressed the heck out of me as a young adult.

The first question is was Richard Decker, played by Harrison Ford a human or a replicant? To me clearly, he was a human.

1 ) Replicants only live 4 years due to genetic manipulation and breakdown of the genes, he's still alive 30 year later in Blade Runner 2049. So unless the new film specifically states that he was made special or differently, this very interesting debate has a conclusion.

2 ) He has a handle on his emotions. Replicants due to their shorter life spans do not.

3 ) He's not as physically capable of any of the replicant's he's hunting.
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In the next movie, he could be a different replicant of the same type. I refuse to watch trailers anymore so I can't comment for real until I see the movie.
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Watched the original about a month ago for the first time in a long time. I actually have only seen the director's cut(or maybe the "final cut"). No narration from Harrison Ford.

I still think that it is 50% great and 50% only OK.

Should I try the theatrical release?

I am still looking forward to the new movie.
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One of my all-time favorite movies. Probably in the top 5. No, I've never bought Deckard being a replicant.

(BTW, there were official sequel novels to the movie years back--I read the first one, didn't actually know about the second two until googling for a link just now.)
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I'm supposed to see it with some buddies next Friday around noon (before the kiddies get out of school). Looking forward to this one. The latest trailer being shown on TV is a bit confusing (lots of flashes of images not very well tied together), but I'm hoping for the best. Loved the soundtrack of the original, and I saw it right about the time I started traveling to Japan a lot and I remember telling the folks I saw it with: That's pretty much Shin-Juku!
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Watched the original about a month ago for the first time in a long time. I actually have only seen the director's cut(or maybe the "final cut"). No narration from Harrison Ford.

I still think that it is 50% great and 50% only OK.

Should I try the theatrical release?

I am still looking forward to the new movie.
I just finished watching this movie for the first time. I think I agree with the bolded.

Visually, it's pretty great, and it's thought-provoking, I guess, but wow, it's slow. Not a lot of plot. One comment I read was that the voice-over narration in the theatrical release helps fill in some of the pacing. It might be interesting to compare.

I do like that Roy is a much more interesting and empathetic character than Deckard, which is ironic if Deckard is human. I think the film makes more sense, philosophically, if he isn't a replicant but it's hard to care much either way.

The sex scene between Deckard and Rachael has not aged well.
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Watched the original about a month ago for the first time in a long time. I actually have only seen the director's cut(or maybe the "final cut"). No narration from Harrison Ford.

I still think that it is 50% great and 50% only OK.

Should I try the theatrical release?

I am still looking forward to the new movie.

I saw the trailer a few times. Hey, I'm a fan and could not help myself.

If you don't want to see the trailer, I can tell you the visual sets, sound, and tone of the movie feel very " Blade Runner ".

If you watch the trailer you will pick up a key part of the plot, and a hauntingly accurate quote about a civilization that will hook you into the movie on the spot.

Stay away from the trailer if you can!

I wasn't a fan of Ryan Gosling being cast as the lead role, however, there was a lot of emotion in the original movie, and I think Gosling will deliver the goods in this department, so maybe he's perfectly cast as long as they don't drastically change the personality of Richard Decker.

Regarding the original movie, Harrison Ford did not like to discuss the movie until recently. He said he didn't want to narrate it and went into studio kicking a scramming thinking, okay I say a few words and they won't use it in the movie. They ended up using his voice, and Ford, later on, regretted not doing a better job.

I get the feeling that the Ford was also jealous that Rutger Hauer, who should have won an academy award for best supporting actor, got to work with director Ridley Scott on altering parts of the film, while he did not.

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Is the original theatrical release available? I only ever found Ridley Scott's edited versions without the voiceover, which I didn't like nearly as much. I liked the 40s film noire feel of it with the narration included.
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Is the original theatrical release available? I only ever found Ridley Scott's edited versions without the voiceover, which I didn't like nearly as much. I liked the 40s film noire feel of it with the narration included.
I didn't know this until recently, but there are multiple-disc DVD and Blu-Ray sets that come with the original version. (Something I'm drooling over--I still have the original bare-bones DVD I bought in 1998 or 1999.)
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These are some of the comments I had the very first time watching it:

What's with the hard-boiled detective narration?
Cool - they used real products in the ads!
Wherever they filmed the police station, that's a cool building.
Is it five or six replicants? Can't they count?
That's a weird way to say "owl"?
"Fluctuation of the pupil. Involuntary dilation of the iris." That's the same thing!
Did he just make an origami guy with a hardon??
Joanna Cassidy! RAowr! (hey, I was 20!)
hey! The Bradbury building! Cool!
Roy's speech really sums up the movie! That was awesome!
Hey, that narration really adds to the movie. Glad they did it.

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The reviews I've read online so far have been just incredible. Really looking forward to this.
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Is the original theatrical release available? I only ever found Ridley Scott's edited versions without the voiceover, which I didn't like nearly as much. I liked the 40s film noire feel of it with the narration included.
DVD has theatrical for sure, I think. I know it came out on tape as well. Blu-ray, I have no idea.

I am figuring the new movie does NOT have narration, right?
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DVD has theatrical for sure, I think. I know it came out on tape as well. Blu-ray, I have no idea.
The standard issue DVD does not include the theatrical version. Only a special editon. (Here is the Blu-Ray.)
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FYI, "Blade Runner 2049" is currently at 97% on Rotten Tomatoes.
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The standard issue DVD does not include the theatrical version. Only a special editon. (Here is the Blu-Ray.)
Wow, that blows. I think the version of the movie that was released into theaters should always be available because people should be able to understand the experience that theater goers had back when it was released.

Bad as it is, I even bootlegged the Star Wars despecialized editions because finding a high-quality version of the theatrical Star Wars movies was impossible.

I get re-editing and even kind of get finishing movies, but it's not worth suppressing the original. I know Spielberg has come to this realization as well. I think he is committed to "no more special editions".
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When you guys start seeing it, do me a favor and give me an idea of the degree of violence. I can take some violence, like in Alien, Aliens, the original Blade Runner, etc., but I'm not okay with extreme stuff or torture.

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Wow, that blows. I think the version of the movie that was released into theaters should always be available because people should be able to understand the experience that theater goers had back when it was released.
As I mentioned, I only recently discovered that a modern release of the theatrical version even exists. Last time I saw that version was on TV, I'd bet somewhere around 30 years ago. (I'm not even sure if the VHS version I probably rented at some point was the theatrical cut.)
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When you guys start seeing it, do me a favor and give me an idea of the degree of violence. I can take some violence, like in Alien, Aliens, the original Blade Runner, etc., but I'm not okay with extreme stuff or torture.
From the other Blade Runner thread: "He also said it was very violent, like watching all the death scenes from a Lara Croft video game"
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I'll be seeing it in the theater for the first time in at least 15 years on Tuesday. Ford's voiceover is one of the worst ever recorded (he sounds bored out of his mind and almost verges on parody, the opposite of "hard-boiled") but I'm still not a fan of the original theatrical being so hard to find. But from what I remember with the blitzkreig of director/alternate/new/final "cuts", the film hold up remarkably well and what's good remains genuinely game-changing and what isn't is far more easily forgivable. Looking forward to revisiting the original and catching the new one soon.
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This DVD set contains the original theatrical release, and the final director's cut.
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With Blade Runner 2049 coming out in early October, I thought I could start a thread about the original movie, a scientific masterpiece that scared the heck out of me as a boy and impressed the heck out of me as a young adult.

The first question is was Richard Decker, played by Harrison Ford a human or a replicant? To me clearly, he was a human.
Harrison Ford's character was Rick Deckard, not "Richard Decker." I had to point that out. Something was wrong on the internet. . .

The subject of Deckard being human or replicant has come up many times here. Ridley Scott remained silent until about ten years back, when he declared him a replicant. I hold that it's proof of his mental decline, further cemented by, "Prometheus." Ford has always maintained that Deckard was human, and that nothing was ever said about it otherwise during filming. He doesn't seem to like the replicant theory.

Turning Deckard into a replicant changes an interesting movie challenging our perceptions of what it is to be human, into a cheap M. Night Shyamalan twist. They'll make him whatever they want in the new movie, and wank it to make it so. Easy to say he's a 'special model'.

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Am I the only one who is absolutly OK with Harrison Ford's narration/voiceover? That's the way I first saw it and never gave it a second thought. I think it fits and sounds just right. Have never viewed a version without it and really don't want to.
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Am I the only one who is absolutly OK with Harrison Ford's narration/voiceover? That's the way I first saw it and never gave it a second thought. I think it fits and sounds just right. Have never viewed a version without it and really don't want to.
I never had a problem with the voiceover, but as mentioned, I haven't seen that version in maybe 30 years (my early teens.)
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The voice-over version of Blade Runner is playing on SyFy at this very moment. I'm 30 minutes in, and the voice-over is phoned-in. It is also unnecessary exposition, and it ruins the mood of every scene it is in.
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The voice-over version of Blade Runner is playing on SyFy at this very moment. I'm 30 minutes in, and the voice-over is phoned-in. It is also unnecessary exposition, and it ruins the mood of every scene it is in.
Before I heard that Ford hated doing it and phoned it in, I always just assumed it was more of Deckard's hungover world-indifference.
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I liked the voice-over version, and still prefer it. Whether that's due to it being the version I was first exposed to I can't say.
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Am I the only one who is absolutly OK with Harrison Ford's narration/voiceover? That's the way I first saw it and never gave it a second thought. I think it fits and sounds just right. Have never viewed a version without it and really don't want to.


My impression was that the voice-over version was more friendly to casual viewers, who needed things like "skinjob" explained to them, but when I saw the non-voice-over version, you paid more attention to the visuals.

I don't think one is clearly better than the other, but they're definitely different.
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In anticipation of the sequel, I watched the Final Cut version. I've never seen Blade Runner before, so this was my first time. I found the experience pretty terrible. I had a lot of anticipation - it sounded like the movie should be right up my alley. But no, it took me three separate sessions to finish because it was so slow. The delivery of lines was dragged out, it seemed to be going for shock value rather than substance, I didn't care a bit about any of the characters, and I thought the acting was pretty poor too. What am I missing that makes people think this film is so great.
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The guys at redlettermedia.com have a Re:View chapter dedicated to the original Blade Runner and while they clearly like the movie, they pull no punches over the sillier aspects of it, with no shortage of mockery for the goofy scene where Deckard pretends to be a muppet-voiced union rep in order to question Zhora.
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In anticipation of the sequel, I watched the Final Cut version. I've never seen Blade Runner before, so this was my first time. I found the experience pretty terrible. I had a lot of anticipation - it sounded like the movie should be right up my alley. But no, it took me three separate sessions to finish because it was so slow. The delivery of lines was dragged out, it seemed to be going for shock value rather than substance, I didn't care a bit about any of the characters, and I thought the acting was pretty poor too. What am I missing that makes people think this film is so great.
I loved the movie. I have the box set with all the different versions.

Objectively speaking, you are right. Way too much exposition (too much telling; not enough showing) and really bad dialog. "Memories! You're talking about memories." Really? I know it's a classic but, "Wake up. Time to die." Nah.

Must come down to that I really love the atmosphere and mood. It really set a benchmark for that sort of thing.
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The guys at redlettermedia.com have a Re:View chapter dedicated to the original Blade Runner and while they clearly like the movie, they pull no punches over the sillier aspects of it, with no shortage of mockery for the goofy scene where Deckard pretends to be a muppet-voiced union rep in order to question Zhora.
I always watch Half-in-the-Bag episodes. Has anyone seen their new one for BR 2049? If so, do they go full spoiler?

I want to wait if they do.
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After much pre-release hype, I saw the original when it came out, awful narration and all, and was kinda disappointed. While the VFX looked great and the production design was some of the best ever, the story was pretty threadbare and less than engaging; some good (now-iconic) lines of dialogue and Harrison Ford getting the shit beaten out of him repeatedly did not compensate enough.

I saw the same version again at a revival house a few years later. I came out of the theater with my opinion unchanged and two of my car’s tires slashed.

I saw one of the alleged “Director’s cuts” on cable some years after that, well into the era of CG. There was no narration (and no tires slashed), and the hints of Deckard being a replicant seemed far more prominent. I was surprised at how well most of the VFX had held up. The story was as deficient as ever.

Some years back, I heard of a screening of “The Director’s Cut” held at the Director’s Guild. Mr. Ridley Scott was not present, but a message he had allegedly composed was read to the audience. It referenced certain bits of “his cut”... and when the film was subsequently shown, those bits were not in it.

I rank Tire Slasher, I mean Blade Runner as both one of the best and worst films of its year.
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Just watched the director's cut. Just about as I remembered. Neat, but slow. Wondered what seemed different - no narration.
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I always watch Half-in-the-Bag episodes. Has anyone seen their new one for BR 2049? If so, do they go full spoiler?

I want to wait if they do.
I'm sure they do, if history is any guide, which is why I'm avoiding their BR2049 show until after I see the movie. There will probably be a warning in the RLM show ("To avoid spoilers, skip to 35:32") but I'll hold off anyway.
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I love the original Blade Runner, despite some nits I could pick here but won't. Interesting characters, talented cast, deft neo-noir cinematography, an amazingly-realized and thoroughly convincing dystopian future LA, a tragic love story, a mesmerizing score, etc.

I stumbled across this cool, BR-inspired ambient music on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPxlOgVotlo
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The truly lasting, influential part of the movie is definitely the overall aesthetic of a technologically advanced but dark, impersonal, dystopian future. There are countless movies, television shows, books, and video games that basically took the cyberpunk world that Blade Runner visualized and plugged their own characters and stories right into it. Before Blade Runner "The Future" was imagined in many disparate ways, but after Blade Runner, they almost all looked just like that.
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The truly lasting, influential part of the movie is definitely the overall aesthetic of a technologically advanced but dark, impersonal, dystopian future. There are countless movies, television shows, books, and video games that basically took the cyberpunk world that Blade Runner visualized and plugged their own characters and stories right into it. Before Blade Runner "The Future" was imagined in many disparate ways, but after Blade Runner, they almost all looked just like that.
Check out Altered Carbon on Amazon Prime. It borrowed heavily from Blade Runner. I loved it (and I read the books years ago).
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What BR did, and did not, get right about 2019: https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/28/movie...rnd/index.html
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What BR did, and did not, get right about 2019: https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/28/movie...rnd/index.html
RCA and Atari are dead? You can find all sorts of RCA (labeled) products all over the place: remotes, TV antennas, etc. And "Atari" is promising to ship a new game console this year. As in 2019.

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Apologies if this has been linked to before in a different thread, but this seemed like a good place to post this.

It's a 45 minute long assortment of alternate and deleted scenes from Blade Runner, uploaded to youtube in September 2018. These scenes may appear in some of the many different "cuts", but there are many which are brand new to me.

Link.

For one thing, there's a scene where Deckard visits an injured man in a hospital bed (the interviewer who Leon blew up? I'm not clear), and the man is reading Treasure Island. Deckard made a reference to Treasure Island in Blade Runner: 2049.

Interesting stuff. But way too much of the kind of cheesy narration.

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In anticipation of the sequel, I watched the Final Cut version. I've never seen Blade Runner before, so this was my first time. I found the experience pretty terrible. I had a lot of anticipation - it sounded like the movie should be right up my alley. But no, it took me three separate sessions to finish because it was so slow. The delivery of lines was dragged out, it seemed to be going for shock value rather than substance, I didn't care a bit about any of the characters, and I thought the acting was pretty poor too. What am I missing that makes people think this film is so great.
For the record, I didn't like the movie the first time I saw it either. Then I saw it a second time, expecting it to stay bad, and suddenly it was a great film.

Sometimes films are ruined by having the wrong or excessive expectations.
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Apologies if this has been linked to before in a different thread, but this seemed like a good place to post this.

It's a 45 minute long assortment of alternate and deleted scenes from Blade Runner, uploaded to youtube in September 2018. These scenes may appear in some of the many different "cuts", but there are many which are brand new to me.

Link.

For one thing, there's a scene where Deckard visits an injured man in a hospital bed (the interviewer who Leon blew up? I'm not clear), and the man is reading Treasure Island. Deckard made a reference to Treasure Island in Blade Runner: 2049.

Interesting stuff. But way too much of the kind of cheesy narration.
Wow, I thought I knew everything about BR. I've never seen any of that.

By the way Original Flavor BR was cut, I always joked they made a 120 minute movie out of 119 minutes of film. I figured, if they had filmed any more scenes that would help clean it up, they would have used them.

But that is a TON of footage! They went to all the trouble of creating the sets, filming it, even doing voice over, and it was all tossed.

Movie making is fascinating. I can't say if the film would have been better or worse with some or all of that footage, but it would have been different. That voice over gave too much away. While I prefer the narration, the one in the missing scenes video is just too much. Less is truly more (but in my opinion, for BR, none is too little).
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Apologies if this has been linked to before in a different thread, but this seemed like a good place to post this.

It's a 45 minute long assortment of alternate and deleted scenes from Blade Runner, uploaded to youtube in September 2018. These scenes may appear in some of the many different "cuts", but there are many which are brand new to me.

Link.

For one thing, there's a scene where Deckard visits an injured man in a hospital bed (the interviewer who Leon blew up? I'm not clear), and the man is reading Treasure Island. Deckard made a reference to Treasure Island in Blade Runner: 2049....
Wow, thanks! Hadn't seen most of that before. Yes, that's Holden in the life-support bed; he was Deckard's successor as a blade runner and the guy whom Leon, the replicant, shot in the opening scene of the movie.

The two alternative endings certainly add a bit more fuel to the fire of the "Was Deckard a replicant?" debate.

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RCA and Atari are dead? You can find all sorts of RCA (labeled) products all over the place: remotes, TV antennas, etc. And "Atari" is promising to ship a new game console this year. As in 2019.

Love their fact checking.
RCA was bought and dismantled by GE in the 1980's today Sony own's the trademark and sells the right to produce under the name but the company no longer exists.

A similar thing happened to Atari after the early 80's gaming market crash. The name is all that really exist and changes owners often.
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RCA was bought and dismantled by GE in the 1980's today Sony own's the trademark and sells the right to produce under the name but the company no longer exists.

A similar thing happened to Atari after the early 80's gaming market crash. The name is all that really exist and changes owners often.
So you missed the "labeled" in parentheses and the "Atari" in quotes?

Anyway, thanks for telling me what I already know.
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Are there any black characters in BR? I know there are at least two in BR 2049 - one of the replicant prostitutes who approach K, and the orphanage manager in the long coat.
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Are there any black characters in BR?
looking at the cast in imdb it sure doesn't look like it. There are a few cast without pictures.

Maybe they all found new life in the offworld colonies.
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