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Even if that were true, he'd be no more than following the lead set by people from the anti-gun side. They're all about punishing gun owners for things that they might do or crimes that might be committed with guns they own(ed).
Preventing terrorists from obtaining assault weapons is not the same as shooting a fleeing burglar in the back.
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Supreme Court rejects challenge to assault weapons ban by a 7-2 margin
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The justices left intact a federal appeals court decision that said the Highland Park, Illinois, restrictions don’t infringe on the constitutional right to bear arms. The appeals court said residents have plenty of legal self-defense options, including handguns and other types of long guns. Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas voted to hear the case.
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Even if that were true, he'd be no more than following the lead set by people from the anti-gun side. They're all about punishing gun owners for things that they might do or crimes that might be committed with guns they own(ed).
That's a false equivalence. "Punishing" someone by requiring them to follow the same restrictions every other person follows isn't a punishment. Are we currently punishing folks who want to use heroin by not allowing them to use heroin?

But even if it were a punishment, stipulating that, folks in favor of gun control want to punish people by commandeering part of their property. That's still not equivalent to punishing someone by killing them.

Whatever other arguments there are against gun control--and my time on this board has convinced me that there are some decent arguments against many forms of gun control--this argument won't hunt.
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During the course of the investigation, detectives learned that Dakyree Hawkins, 20, and Keonte Ingram, 18, forced entry into the home of Andre Harris in the 500 block of King Street. The two fled the scene after Harris, who was home at the time, fired at them with a handgun. Hawkins was later found by officers as he lay in the road, suffering from gunshot wounds, in the 600 block of Celeste Street.
2v1 and the one prevailed.
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According to Denver Police, around 4:15 a.m., they received a report of a possible break in and shooting in the intersection of South Wolff Street and West Exposition Avenue. A short time later, a man walked into a local hospital with a gunshot wound. He had non-life-threatening injuries.

The homeowner reportedly heard someone hopping the fence when he was home with two kids. The homeowner called their relatives who showed up at the property. One of the relatives shot the alleged intruder who was in the homeowner's backyard.
I wonder how close the relative lived.

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Me, I wonder why shooting some guy who hopped over a fence is positive news. There are times when lethal self-defense is warranted. This is not one of them.
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A Harvey man shot his girlfriend's ex-boyfriend in the chest with a shotgun after the ex-boyfriend forced his way into the couple's home on Sunday night (Oct. 11), authorities said. Douglas Moody, 31, of Belle Chasse, suffered wounds to his chest, neck and head, according to a Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office arrest report.

Moody's former girlfriend called 911 on Sunday about 11:15 p.m. and told operators he had contacted her several times threatening to harm her and her new boyfriend. Moody – the father of her child -- told the woman he planned to drag her out of her house, kick her teeth in and kill her new boyfriend, the arrest report said.

She frantically called 911 a second time, crying. A JPSO report didn't indicate what she said in that call. Within minutes, operators received another call, this time from the woman's new boyfriend. He told operators that he had just shot a man, according to the report.
When seconds count, police can't be everywhere.
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According to the story, there was allegedley adultery involved. What is it with bricks?
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A pastor of my acquaintance, who carries a .38, explained to me that he has the authority "to preach, to teach, to marry, and to bury." Sounds like brick-boy ran into just such a pastor.
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According to the story, there was allegedley adultery involved. What is it with bricks?
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Tatiana Duva-Rodriguez thought she was doing the right thing when she pulled out her pistol and fired at a pair of shoplifters as they fled from a Home Depot near Detroit.

She wasn’t, at least in the eyes of the law.

On Wednesday, a Michigan judge sentenced Duva-Rodriguez to 18 months of probation and stripped the 46-year-old of her concealed gun permit.

Duva-Rodriguez didn’t manage to stop the shoplifters when she rattled off several rounds outside an Auburn Hills Home Depot on Oct. 6, although she did flatten one of their tires.
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"I learned my lesson that I will never help anybody again."
She, at least, learned that the only thing that can stop an inflated tire is a good guy with a gun.
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The shooting victim’s 18-year-old son, Victor Martinez, told officials that the masked man started screaming at him and hitting him in the head with the butt of a gun.

When Jesus Martinez came out of the house to see what was going on, Gallegos shot at him, according to deputies.

Deputies say Martinez shot back at the Gallegos with a handgun.

The suspect was able to get into his truck and drive away.

Jesus Martinez had shotgun wounds to the face, and was taken by air to the hospital.
This one was confusing at first because two people are identified as Martinez.
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In other news, President Obama signs three constructive gun measures
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The day before Thanksgiving, President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), S.1356. The primary purpose of the act was to provide funds for operation of the U.S. military. However, the act also includes several other provisions to protect Second Amendment rights, ...

The first measure, in Section 315 of the NDAA, prohibits an administrative ban on lead ammunition. ...

In 2009, a jihadist attacked the Fort Hood military base in Texas. He murdered 13 unarmed victims and wounded 30. The military personnel there were defenseless, so the criminal was not stopped until military police arrived. Section 526 of the NDAA takes a first step toward remedying the dangerous disarmament of our armed forces:

SEC. 526. Establishment of process by which members of the Armed Forces may carry an appropriate firearm on a military installation. ...

NDAA Section 1087 sets up a procedure allowing the transfer of up to 10,000 surplus handguns to the CMP. These handguns are .45-caliber model “1911” pistols (named for their year of invention). For the military, these pistols have been replaced by the 9mm Beretta. The 1911 pistols are now collectors items, being warehoused at a cost of $200,000 per year. Selling them via the CMP will reduce this expense and raise revenue.
The lead ammo item is a bit more complicated, but this is a good thing since a ban on lead ammo combined with armor piercing restrictions was seen as a possible avenue to ban large amounts of ammo. This prevents that.

Thanks, President Obama!

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Investigators say the homeowner was upstairs when she heard someone trying to break into her back door. Police say, the person made it inside and the homeowner saw him. They say when she didn't recognize the person, she shot him. Police say the burglar managed to make it out of the front door before collapsing on the sidewalk.
Breaking into an occupied home is risky.

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Old 12-15-2015, 09:57 AM
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This story is pretty sparse. I find that's the case with many DGU stories as they don't tend to get much coverage or follow up.
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The Pulaski County Sheriff's Office arrested three individuals on Friday after they were forced to call 911 because one of their own had been shot by the person they were trying to rob.

At approximately 3:16 p.m. Friday, October 16, deputies received a call regarding a gunshot victim. Deputies located Mauricio King, 23, at the Shell gas station off Dixon Road near Interstate 530. He was suffering from multiple gunshot wounds. King along with Leonard Quinton Braxton, 19, Annamarie Blair, 19, and Antwaun Branscomb, 17 all stated that King was just walking down Arch Street when he was shot.

After further investigation, officials discovered that all four individuals provided false statements. More recent reports state that the group was trying to rob the occupants of a residence located in the 16,000 block of Windham Drive and there was a struggle. One of the victims in the residence pulled out a gun and shot King several times.
Had to call 911 for themselves after a failed robbery. That's got to be embarrassing.
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One of the suspects reached into the victim's pocket and stole $220. The trio became excited about the money they just nabbed and became distracted - at that moment the CPL holder pulled out his gun and fired.

He hit the16-year-old in the chest and the 17-year-old in the leg. The 19-year-old took off running.

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The 23-year-old CPL holder called Detroit police. FOX 2 learned the two wounded suspects went to find medical help at Sinai Grace Hospital across the street from the scene. They told the ER they were walking down the street when they were held up and shot.

But investigators put it together and realized they had their suspects. One of the teens eventually confessed to this crime and others and further evidence was found on their Facebook pages.
3 vs. 1 and the one prevailed.
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Gas station clerk fights off gun-toting robber with shoe, who needs a gun?
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At about 11:45 p.m. on Sunday, the victim was in his home in the 700 block of Bay Street, near Ghirardelli Square, when he heard an intruder in his home.

He grabbed his handgun, exited his bedroom, and then headed downstairs to see who was in his home, according to police.

The victim shot the suspect, described as a man in his 50s, in the knee and then guided him out of his residence, police said.
Elderly man able to defend himself with force multiplier.
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Police say two men wearing ski masks entered a Texaco convenience store in the 5400 block of Airport Boulevard around 1:30 a.m. Sunday and demanded money while holding the clerk at gunpoint. Police say the clerk grabbed a shotgun under the counter before he and the suspects exchanged gunfire.

Officials say the clerk and one of the two suspects was shot. Both suspects ran

from the scene, and Houston Fire Department officials were called to a nearby street where one of the suspects was located. Officials say he was transported to Ben Taub Hospital in stable condition.
Picked the wrong convenience store to rob. There is no mention of the condition of the store clerk so I assume the injury was not severe.
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FWPD spokesperson Michael Joyner said it appeared that two men, both armed, forced their way into the upstairs apartment. He said shots were fired by at least one of those men. However, Joyner said no one in the apartment was harmed.

Joyner said the home invader was shot when one of three adults in the apartment returned fire striking one of the two men, who was found by offices suffering from multiple gunshot wounds.

“The individual shot that’s in critical condition is one of two suspects who attempted a home invasion,” Joyner said.
Two armed men break into apartment with three people inside and only the criminals are shot. Multiple times.
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When officers arrived, they found a 31-year-old man on the floor of the hotel lobby with whay appeared to be a single gunshot wound to the chest, Hoskins said. The man was identified as the suspected burglar.

Angleton Police Chief David Ashburn said the 29-year-old owner of a black Chevy Tahoe and his wife heard noises outside and saw the 31-year-old breaking into the SUV. The owner went outside and shot the suspected burglar, Ashburn said.
In TX, it's legal to defend property with deadly force under certain circumstances.
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Somehow, I missed this one when it happened.
71-year old gentleman with CCW stops two armed robbers. With actual video of the event.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-man...ry?id=16800859

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Officers were called around 1:30 a.m. on a report of a homeowner holding a man at gunpoint in his garage. The homeowner told officers he’d left the garage door open for approximately 15 minutes, then found a man he didn’t know inside. Wilson was wearing gloves and was carrying a flashlight. When asked by the homeowner what he was doing there, Wilson replied he was “looking for a phone to use,” the affidavit said.

District Attorney Dan Rubinstein told a judge Wilson is “lucky” he wasn’t shot, which may have been justifiable under Colorado’s Make My Day Law under the circumstances.
DGU with no shots fired.
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DGU with no shots fired.
Anti-crime tip:

Criminals will sometimes duck into your open garage an unlock the side/back door, with intentions to come back later when you're not home. Easier to take their time getting into the house unobserved from an attached garage.

If confronted "I was looking for my dog" is common.
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According to the report, Reid noticed something suspicious as he pulled up to his home. He told police a vehicle drove down his street and slowed down.

According to the report, Reid put his gun in his pocket and got out of his car.

However, the report says the suspect then ran up to the victim in the yard, pulled out a handgun and yelled, “Don’t move!”

Reid shot the man and called 9-1-1.

"We have no reason to believe that he did not fire in self-defense, so no charges have been filed as of yet,” says Heffernan.

The suspect fled before police arrived.

Police say he later checked into the emergency room. Police identify him as Antonio Hadley.
1 shot to the abdomen and the suspect was able to flee, and later check himself into the hospital. Presumably if he wanted the suspect could have continued engaging - another example where 1 shot is insufficient to incapacitate.
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“The victim stated the suspect entered the store, gathered several items for sale, including a metal baton, and approached the counter. The suspect threatened the victim with the baton and ordered him onto the ground. The victim defended himself by pointing a firearm at the suspect and the suspect fled the scene,” David Moore with the Larimer County Sheriff’s Office said in a statement.
Another DGU with no shots fired.
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1 shot to the abdomen and the suspect was able to flee, and later check himself into the hospital. Presumably if he wanted the suspect could have continued engaging - another example where 1 shot is insufficient to incapacitate.
And another case of a criminal using a gun in the commission of a crime....I guess there's simply not enough guns around
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Another DGU with no shots fired.
Yep, the criminal learned a valuable lesson that day. Next time, bring a gun.

Lucky for him, he won't have much trouble getting one.
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In other news, Naked Oregon Burglar Crawls Into Bed With Couple, Discovers Man Has Gun
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An incident report says Defeudis broke into the home about 3:40 a.m. (6:40 a.m. ET) Thursday and began gathering items of value.

He then removed all of his clothes and climbed into bed with the unidentified man and woman who live there — and for some reason kissed the man, it says.

The man woke up to find the burglar sitting on top of him, holding a knife, police said. When the man pulled a gun, the burglar hurriedly put on his pants and fled — chased by the now fully awake man, who fired three shots but missed, according to the report.
This is more strange than anything else and it seems like drugs were involved.
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Mother with four kids prevails against 3 armed men in a home invasion. With scary-ass video. Good on you, mom.

http://www.abc22now.com/news/top-sto...d-245926.shtml
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Homeowner successfully fends off intruder with her Constitutionally-guaranteed firearm. A positive "defensive gun use", one less "bad guy", right?

So what if it was actually her own daughter she killed? That wasn't the gun's fault, now was it?
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So what if it was actually her own daughter she killed?
That isn't what happened, though, is it? That is only what you wish had happened.
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That isn't what happened, though, is it? That is only what you wish had happened.
I can't wait hear what you think happened.
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We'll probably never know. I mean, the headline "Mom shot, killed daughter mistaken for intruder" is so vague that I just quit reading.
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I can't wait hear what you think happened.
The article reports a home invasion where one of the intruders was killed. No daughters were reported hit by the mother's shots. For an anti, it obviously would be better if mom had killed one of her daughters because then you could dance in the blood and crow about it being proof of the dangers of owning a gun. Since it didn't happen that way, we have a retarded-ass attempt to derail into a fantasy of "what if it had."
Do you have some information not presented in the article that should cause me revise my opinion of what took place?
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That isn't what happened, though, is it? That is only what you wish had happened.
It appears that did happen in the link Elvis provided in post #332. You were probably referring to the previous link - I know, there's so many.

In any event, I wouldn't consider mistakenly shooting and killing your daughter a positive event - it's a tragedy and a rules reminder. Apparently Elvis thinks this is positive. That is consistent with my understanding of his thought process.

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You see, folks. If you accidentally kill your daughter, that's just a good, "rules reminder." Oopsie daisy, I guess she won't be doing that again.
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In other news, Police arrest accused burglar who was chased by victim, tackled by good samaritan
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he suspect had broken a window and was gaining entry when the victim fired a gun at the suspect.

Enroute to the call, officers learned that the victim was now chasing the suspect on foot. When the first officer arrived on scene, the victim had the suspect detained in the 2200 block of 26th Street. When the suspect saw the officer, he ran and the officer pursued on foot. The suspect was tackled by a quick thinking citizen who held on until officers arrived. The suspect was arrested and transported to the Lubbock County Detention Facility and booked in.
I would recommend against chasing a suspect, but in this case it worked out. Two people made sure the burglar was having a bad day. DGU, no one killed.
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The article reports a home invasion where one of the intruders was killed. No daughters were reported hit by the mother's shots.
Are you sticking to that story?
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Are you sticking to that story?
I can go only by what is quoted in the linked article. I will ask again: Do you have information that is not presented in the linked article? Out with it, if you do. Of all the ways I might spend the last day of 2015, humoring you while you pretend at "I know something you don't know!" Isn't on the list. Either you know something more or you don't.
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I can go only by what is quoted in the linked article. I will ask again: Do you have information that is not presented in the linked article? Out with it, if you do. Of all the ways I might spend the last day of 2015, humoring you while you pretend at "I know something you don't know!" Isn't on the list. Either you know something more or you don't.
This has to be a joke, right? I mean the title of the news article is "Cops: Mom shot, killed daughter mistaken for intruder"
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I can go only by what is quoted in the linked article. I will ask again: Do you have information that is not presented in the linked article? Out with it, if you do.
OK. I can't wait to hear your response.
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Campbell omitted that fact because he was asleep when his wife shot Doby, mistaking her for an intruder, police said on Wednesday. He didn't realize what happened until his wife — a 911 dispatcher with the Osceola County Sheriff's Office – explained it to him, according to authorities.
I'm sure it was just an oversight, on your part.

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Apparently there is some confusion. I am talking about the article linked by Chicken Legs in post 331and that is all I have been discussing. One intruder killed, no family hurt. That is the only incident I have been discussing. If there was another incident where a family member was shot by mistake, then that is tragic. That tragedy does not change that the woman in the article I have been focusing on successfully defended her family with a gun.
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Apparently there is some confusion. I am talking about the article linked by Chicken Legs in post 331and that is all I have been discussing.
You quoted ElvisL1ves from post 332.

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In other news, Armed Robbers Chased Off By ROTC Sharpshooter
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Two suspects had allegedly robbed an elderly couple's home in Marilyn Williams' neighborhood.
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Williams was there with her rifle, in position to fire, when one of the suspects hopped over her fence during his getaway.

"I kept telling at him: I'm gonna shoot you!" she told a local reporter.

Williams' response forced the suspects to take off, dropping a mask, weapon and the pillowcase full of jewelry.

Police in Clovis are still looking for the men.
Another DGU with no shots fired.
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Police said early Sunday morning Randy Thomas, 24, and another suspect entered a bar in the 4800 block of Erdman Avenue armed with guns. The pair robbed several bar patrons at gunpoint, according to police.

An armed bar employee told Thomas he was calling the police. That’s when Thomas reached into the front pocket of his hoodie, possibly for a weapon. The employee fired his gun, hitting Thomas in the abdomen.

Thomas fled on foot arriving at Johns Hopkins Hospital sometime around 1 a.m.
Another criminal is able to retreat to the hospital after being shot. DGU with no deaths.
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A man who police say broke into a house and held a grandmother at gunpoint is fighting for his life in a Springfield hospital while his father is sitting in jail.

West Plains police say the woman's grandson shot the intruder, Christopher Irwin, before calling 911. Police later arrested his father, Jeremy Irwin, at a nearby motel.

The shooting happened early Sunday morning on First Street. West Plains police say the Irwins are from Indiana who went on a crime spree in the neighborhood, looting cars and burglarizing homes. Police say they got about a dozen similar reports from people living on First, Second, and Utah Street.
Another DGU with no deaths. Not much an 80 year old person can do without a force multiplier.
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Police say a Domino’s delivery driver was delivering pizzas near Timothys Landing off 103rd street when he was approached by two armed man, demanding money.
The Jacksonville Sheriff's Office said the deliveryman grabbed his own gun and shot one of the suspects.
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Jefferson says if the suspect who was shot, happens to die from his injuries, the second suspect could be charged with murder, even if he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.
According to police, the suspect who was shot by the deliveryman is in serious condition, there’s no word on if the second suspect was captured, or if he ran off.
Action News Jax did reach out to Domino’s to see what their policy is on delivery drivers carrying guns, we’re waiting for a response.
I believe Dominoes has a no firearms policy for their drivers. Wonder if he'll be fired over this.
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