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Old 01-22-2017, 09:21 AM
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I guess Trump isn't lying about his inauguration numbers. He's merely using "alternative facts".
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I guess Trump isn't lying about his inauguration numbers. He's merely using "alternative facts".
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A top adviser to President Donald Trump on Sunday said White House press secretary Sean Spicer provided “alternative facts” to reporters during his first briefing.

“You’re saying it’s a falsehood. And they’re giving, Sean Spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts to that,” Conway said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

Host Chuck Todd fired back at Conway over her comments.

“Look, alternative facts are not facts,” said Chuck Todd. "They're falsehoods."...
IT IS TO LAUGH!

Also, I object to the genteel word "falsehood." They're LIES, and let's call them that. Trump certainly accused Hillary (and everyone else) of LYING.
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Old 01-22-2017, 11:20 AM
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IT IS TO LAUGH!

Also, I object to the genteel word "falsehood." They're LIES, and let's call them that. Trump certainly accused Hillary (and everyone else) of LYING.
You don't remember the shouts of "Falsehood purveying Hillary!!"?
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I guess Trump isn't lying about his inauguration numbers. He's merely using "alternative facts".
Jesus Fucking Christ! How the fuck does she manage to keep a straight face through that interview with Chuck Todd? That must be some sort of new record in delusional denial. Even if she has no conscience or self awareness, how is it possible that the earth didn't open up and swallow her whole due to the sheer mass of the lies she was spewing?
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Jesus Fucking Christ! How the fuck does she manage to keep a straight face through that interview with Chuck Todd? That must be some sort of new record in delusional denial. Even if she has no conscience or self awareness, how is it possible that the earth didn't open up and swallow her whole due to the sheer mass of the lies she was spewing?
You know, I don't put much credence in Revelations, but if anyone ever fit the profile of "Whore of Babylon"...

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Jesus Fucking Christ! How the fuck does she manage to keep a straight face through that interview with Chuck Todd? That must be some sort of new record in delusional denial.
Lying isn't delusional. It's lying.
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Lying isn't delusional. It's lying.
To say it with a straight face like that, I gotta believe she's delusional enough to actually believe the bullshit coming from her mouth.
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To say it with a straight face like that, I gotta believe she's delusional enough to actually believe the bullshit coming from her mouth.
She slipped up. I reckon that this is a term that they've used in private, that wasn't supposed to be public.
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"Alternative facts." As I remarked in another thread, we are now officially living inside 1984.

I know Republicans in general are heartless filth, but really, what can be going through the minds of Conway and Spicer? What can they be thinking?
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"Alternative facts." As I remarked in another thread, we are now officially living inside 1984.

I know Republicans in general are heartless filth, but really, what can be going through the minds of Conway and Spicer? What can they be thinking?
Thinking? Well there's the problem right there.
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I guess Trump isn't lying about his inauguration numbers. He's merely using "alternative facts".
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This bill repeals the United Nations Participation Act of 1945 and other specified related laws.

The bill requires: (1) the President to terminate U.S. membership in the United Nations (U.N.), including any organ, specialized agency, commission, or other formally affiliated body; and (2) closure of the U.S. Mission to the United Nations.

The bill prohibits: (1) the authorization of funds for the U.S. assessed or voluntary contribution to the U.N., (2) the authorization of funds for any U.S. contribution to any U.N. military or peacekeeping operation, (3) the expenditure of funds to support the participation of U.S. Armed Forces as part of any U.N. military or peacekeeping operation, (4) U.S. Armed Forces from serving under U.N. command, and (5) diplomatic immunity for U.N. officers or employees.
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Trump doesn't understand the First Amendment.
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Old 01-22-2017, 03:43 PM
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Trump's staff reports that he will never release his tax returns, and they had to lie also to say that the people does not care.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b070d8cad32f89

As Donal Jr. said:

“Because he’s got a 12,000-page tax return that would create probably 300 million independent financial auditors out of every person in the country asking questions that would distract from his main message,”

Translation: 'Our disorganized crime family does not want to give you plebs any transparency.'
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Michael Flynn Jr. doesn't understand the women's march. Since they already have equal rights and equal pay, they must have been marching for free mani/pedis
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She slipped up. I reckon that this is a term that they've used in private, that wasn't supposed to be public.
On the other hand, they do seem to live in an alternate reality.
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You don't remember the shouts of "Falsehood purveying Hillary!!"?
Multisyllable words from the Trump Camp?
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On the other hand, they do seem to live in an alternate reality.
Would that they did. Sadly, they live in ours.
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I know Republicans in general are heartless filth, but really, what can be going through the minds of Conway and Spicer? What can they be thinking?
I'd say they're in it for the money, but Trump doesn't pay his employees, so that's out.

Maybe being Minister of Propaganda comes with a sweet benefits package?
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I'd say we have one chance in three of global nuclear war in the next four years.

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I'd say they're in it for the money, but Trump doesn't pay his employees, so that's out.

Maybe being Minister of Propaganda comes with a sweet benefits package?
I don't know about Spicer, but it looks to me like Conway's doing it because Trump is supporting her smack habit. She does not look healthy.
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I suspect Conway's doing it just because Trump lets her piss on his face. Who wouldn't jump at that chance?
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As for his decision not to release his tax returns after all (Surprise! Surprise!), was there ever any proof they really were being audited? I recall the IRS saying they never confirmed or denied that sort of thing, so we only ever had Liar Trump's word for it that they were being audited in the first place.
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As for his decision not to release his tax returns after all (Surprise! Surprise!), was there ever any proof they really were being audited? I recall the IRS saying they never confirmed or denied that sort of thing, so we only ever had Liar Trump's word for it that they were being audited in the first place.
I'm willing to bet that his 1999 returns are no longer being audited, so this was never a real argument.
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I'd say we have one chance in three of global nuclear war in the next four years.
"Chinese missiles on their way to US. Not smart! We have better missiles than anybody. Sad!"

Back on the topic of good old fashioned corruption, Trump has yet to transfer control of any of his companies. Pro Publica could find no evidence of paperwork being filed in any state to move the various Trump holdings to any of the Trumplings. Maybe all that official paperwork is still sitting in the manila folders in that press room.

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As of this moment, there is still a petition up at whitehouse.gov so you can voice the fact that you care: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...use-compliance Currently, it has about as many signatures as people estimated by credible sources to have attended his inauguration...Let's see if we can get it up to the amount HE estimates attended his inauguration.
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To be fair -- and, god, I hate to do that -- Snopes points out that the same bill has been introduced every year for 20 years. No telling if Trump, et al., will take it seriously this time around.

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Like I wasn't already in love with Emmy Rossum, but she had the best tweet back to Trump:
"We did vote. And it was NOT for you."
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El Trumpo has crowd size issues (similar to his hand size issues). He is losing patience with the dishonest media and the protesters. If the protesters and media do not unconditionally accept the alternative facts, El Trumpo will have no choice but to take military action.

The army will be ordered to take over all hostile media organizations. The anti-American broadcasts and websites will be replaced with infomercials for Trump Hotels and Ivanka's crappy jewelry.

All protesters will be captured and tortured until they agree with the alternative facts.

Get in line and praise our leader or else. Don't say you haven't been warned.
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As of this moment, there is still a petition up at whitehouse.gov so you can voice the fact that you care: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...use-compliance Currently, it has about as many signatures as people estimated by credible sources to have attended his inauguration...Let's see if we can get it up to the amount HE estimates attended his inauguration.
Good call. I think there should also be a postcard movement, where we write to him on actual physical documents to express our sentiments about this.

That's one of the things I put on my WMW banner; not that it's so major in the grand scheme of things but it just irritates me that he's not only going to abandon his promise but is pretending it's because it doesn't really matter and nobody cares. Yeah, wrong.

By the way, on that same petitions page is one calling for divestiture/blind trust for Trump's assets, which still needs signatures to make its goal. I think that issue's important too.

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Trump implies that he would be open to invading Iraq again (under what pretext?) and taking its oil.
http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politic...-silent-video/
There is sure a lot of blather in there in a minute and a half.

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The pretext of taking its oil.

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Trump implies that he would be open to invading Iraq again (under what pretext?) and taking its oil.
The arrogance of that casual suggestion, after he lambasted Clinton all campaign merely for voting with 76 other Senators to authorize the invasion as urgently demanded by the previous Republican President, is simply breathtaking.

It's very clear from that speech that the only reason Trump doesn't think the Iraq invasion was a good idea is because we didn't "win". Never mind the dishonest arguments, faked evidence, disaster for Iraqi people, loss of Iraqi lives, etc. If we had "won", by some kind of recognizable metric, Trump would probably be saying now that he supported the war all along.

And he'd be perfectly willing to do the same thing again if he thought we had a better chance of "winning". As a statesman, the guy is absolutely amoral.

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The arrogance of that casual suggestion, after he lambasted Clinton all campaign merely for voting with 76 other Senators to authorize the invasion as urgently demanded by the previous Republican President, is simply breathtaking.

It's very clear from that speech that the only reason Trump doesn't think the Iraq invasion was a good idea is because we didn't "win". Never mind the dishonest arguments, faked evidence, disaster for Iraqi people, loss of Iraqi lives, etc. If we had "won", by some kind of recognizable metric, Trump would probably be saying now that he supported the war all along.

And he'd be perfectly willing to do the same thing again if he thought we had a better chance of "winning". As a statesman, the guy is absolutely amoral.
That statement from Trump shows that I was correct when I noticed months ago in a few threads that Trump is looking at the time America was great alright. But he was really referring to the days of America's Great Big Stick days. When The USA intimidated or invaded many nations to steal their resources in the name of United Fruit or Big Oil.

And then years later many Americans did wonder why those nations were looking at other ideologies to follow rather than the American way.

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As of this moment, there is still a petition up at whitehouse.gov so you can voice the fact that you care: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...use-compliance Currently, it has about as many signatures as people estimated by credible sources to have attended his inauguration...Let's see if we can get it up to the amount HE estimates attended his inauguration.
There's another one telling him to divest or put in a blind trust all of his assets. This one doesn't have enough signatures yet.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...nancial-assets

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There's another one telling him to divest or put in a blind trust all of his assets. This one doesn't have enough signatures yet.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...nancial-assets
Anyone else concerned about retribution signing these things?
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Anyone else concerned about retribution signing these things?
That is a reasonable concern. Not necessarily a reason not to do it. But a reasonable concern.
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I recommend a throwaway email address and some alternative-fact contact information.
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Fuck that. I want to be on Twitler's enemy list. It would be a badge of honor.

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The pretext of taking its oil.
Well, that and that Emperor Palpatine now rules Iraq and has a Death Star. He's already blown up America's closest ally and biggest trading partner, the planet of Alderaan.

Hey, it's alternative facts, man.
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Trump brought his own cheering section with him to the CIA speech.
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The White House comments line has been shut down.
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Dammit, I suspected that when I read the transcript and watched some of the video, and was reminded of the claque of enthusiastic audience members at his press conference. But I didn't say anything because I thought "He couldn't be that shameless. Not in front of CIA people. He couldn't get away with that. Not at CIA headquarters."

Well, more fool me, because he could and he did, and if I'd predicted it I woulda looked smart!


I resolve here and now that henceforth I will never assume that there's any contemptible trick that Trump isn't shameless enough to pull or unscrupulous enough to get away with.

The catchphrase that keeps coming to mind whenever I contemplate the sheer sloppiness and arrogance of Trump's PR fakery is "True Enough for Television".

When he tweets a photo of himself allegedly working on his inaugural speech at a receptionist's desk at Mar-a-Lago? When he points to stacks of brand-new folders and paper as "legal paperwork" for his businesses? When his PR team uses a photo from Obama's inauguration on the POTUS account banner? When he says that he had a million inauguration attendees or that it stopped raining during his speech?

In his eyes, it's all perfectly acceptable to use in constructing a narrative for viewers who don't care about reality but just want to be entertained and impressed by him. It's all True Enough for Television.
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Guess that means the Veteran's Hotline he promised is not happening.
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"We will create a private White House hotline," Trump said today. "This could keep me very busy at night, folks... that is answered by a real person 24 hours a day to make sure that no valid complaint about the VA ever falls through the cracks."

"Now, this is the tough part," Trump continued. "This is the tough part. I will instruct my staff that if a valid complaint is not acted upon, then the issuer who brought it directly to me, and I want to have it, will bring it directly to me, and I will pick up the phone personally and get it completed and get it taken care of. That's a lot of work. We better do a good job because that's a lot of work."
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“When I called [the hotline], and I did so twice on different days, it seemed as if the same woman answered,” Fant wrote to us in July. “She instructed me that the best thing to do was email or snail mail my concerns, preferably with documentation. There was a big emphasis on supplying documentation.”

Fant went ahead and submitted some information about his particular problems, only to receive what seemed to be canned responses.

“Thank you for sharing your story,” one email read. “It is an embarrassment to America when our men and women who served have to struggle to get the care they earned and deserve. Mr. Trump is determined to fix the problems veterans face and your experience will be a part of the reform. Please know that fixing these problems is job one. Thank you for your service.”

“We have a team of vets collecting stories and reforms for improving the VA and veteran benefits,” another email from the campaign said. “Your story will be part of what we compile and produce for Mr. Trump to study. Your information is confidential”

Those two emails are the sum and substance of what the campaign sent him. Several other calls and emails went unanswered, he said. It seems, Fant says, that the hotline has proven to be what many suspected — a campaign stunt without a lot of substance behind it.
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I predict that Trump will build a wall-- a great big 12-foot high, 4-foot thick wall... around the White House.

Are they going to stop giving tours? Cancel the Easter egg roll?
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It's OK. Sean Spicer denied this:

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Of course, he has no proof. He's just offering alternative facts. So that should close this controversy.

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Kellyane got into a fight at one of the inaugural balls.

Allegedly she stepped in to defend Scott Baio.

Trump has designated his inauguration as a National Day of Patriotic Devotion. All hail the Great Leader.
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Sean Spicer's feud with Dippin Dots may be over.
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I think you're reading that wrong. The linked cite from Gasparino's Facebook post says that some people he calls "anarchist thugs" approached him and Baio outside the ball and started screaming at them, but except for a bit of shoving (on Gasparino's part) and threats (both sides) nothing happened.

Then Gasparino claims that inside the ball venue there was a fistfight between two guys in tuxes---nothing to do with Scott Baio, AFAICT---and Conway joined in, just as your first link claimed. (In fact, it appears that both cites base their report on the same Facebook post by Gasparino, which seems to be the only source for this story so far.)
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