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The problem with Pelosi is that she’ll use her leverage for some stupid small-ball gain. She doesn’t understand the game has completely changed and she’s so fucking old. I’m gen x and I waited my whole life for the boomers to get out of the way and they never fucking did.
1) Pelosi isn't a Boomer. She was born in 1940.

2) The oldest Boomers are 73, the youngest ones are 54. You're gonna be waiting a loooooong time yet. I plan on being around for another 30-35 years. (Nyaah, nyaah! )
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From the evidence I've seen, Gen-X should never be allowed the reins of power. Kamala Harris rides the line.
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I’m gen x and I waited my whole life for the boomers to get out of the way and they never fucking did.
Guess what? We boomers have been waiting our whole lives for the generation older than us (the Silent Generation?) to get out of the way, and they still have 15 seats in the Senate and 33 seats in the House.

You're going to be waiting a long time, bud.
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As for Pelosi's Trump-handling skills, raising five children had to have been great training for dealing with toddlers' tantrums.
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It's funny how she was, merely a few months ago, even more of a super bitch than Hillary Clinton, facing an intra-party revolt from political outsiders who were certain she was an old hag who had no place in politics.

But take a look at what she's doing now. Look at how she's playing Donald Trump. The Trumpster fire knew how to beat Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail, and he knew how to wreck much of the Washington establishment. Trump has changed the calculus of campaigning.

But Nancy Pelosi is an entirely different opponent, and I'm not sure that Trump (or even the layperson) really understands it yet. Pelosi is a shrewd, calculating, political bad-ass. Donald Trump is like a tough man contest brawler. He screams. He charges. He throws haymakers. And the rest of the Washington establishment wasn't prepared. Nancy Pelosi is like an aikido-ka. She's using his raw energy against him, and pinning him in his own corner. It's a sight to behold.
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Behold the future of federal legislation. Elections have consequences. Pelosi is an old school politician who brings in a lot of campaign money for the Democrats. She definitely knows how to wield money and power. A lesson quickly learned by Rep. Kathleen Rice (D-NY) who was a leader against Pelosi regaining the speakership. No Judiciary Committee seat for you, Kathleen. I assume other elected Democrats will have learned a valuable lesson in yellow-dog politics.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethba...crats-n2539124

With her current move against having a Republican President speak to the U.S. House, and moves such as making Rep. Maxine Waters, (D-Calif) the head of the House Financial Services Committee, and adding Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, (D-N.Y.) to the same committee, Pelosi has now made it clear that elected Democrats will not be working any elected Republicans for at least the next two years. Maybe Pelosi will change her mind if Republicans would embrace socialism?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...-social-issues
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As for Pelosi's Trump-handling skills, raising five children had to have been great training for dealing with toddlers' tantrums.
She probably told the nanny to handle to handle the children.
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TLDR doorhinge version of the world: bipartisanship was thriving in DC until Mean Ol' Nancy took over.
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She probably told the nanny to handle to handle the children.
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Are the Fox gigglers still calling her Bela Pelosi?
A Democrat hasn't really "arrived' till they've been given a stupid nickname. This is how juvenile the Republicans have become.

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She probably told the nanny to handle to handle the children.
How many times did you get dropped on your head as a child? Wait, are you actually a grown up?
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In 1983, when Dianne Feinstein was mayor of San Francisco, local progressives became disenchanted with her leadership and mounted a recall campaign against her. The recall happened a little more than six months before a regular election was scheduled. Progressive groups put a lot of money and effort into the recall, which Feinstein survived. The progressives who had backed the recall found themselves out of money for the general election, and surviving the recall boosted Feinstein's poll numbers. She won the general election easily.

The recall was one of the stupidest political maneuvers I've ever seen. The people behind it had no plan. All they knew is that they were angry at Feinstein, and they expressed their anger in a self-destructive manner.

For House Democrats to vote for impeachment now would be just as stupid. The purpose of impeachment is to attempt to remove a president from office. It is impossible to remove Trump from office right now, because there aren't enough votes in the Senate. The Republicans still have a majority there, and they have shown no signs so far of standing up to Trump. He would survive an impeachment, which would boost his popularity and could guarantee his re-election. It would be the political equivalent of The Charge of the Light Brigade.

Democrats need to make a case to the American people that Trump is so bad for the country that he shouldn't be president. This may be obvious to a lot of us, but so far it isn't obvious to enough of the public that they're clamoring for Congress to get rid of him. The Democrats have to make a case for it, and they've started to do this. Party leaders aren't just passively waiting for the Mueller investigation to issue a report. They have opened investigations. In particular, Adam Schiff, head of the House Intelligence Committee, has re-opened the investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election. If these investigations convince the public to put pressure on Congress to impeach and convict Trump, then it's time to go ahead and impeach him.
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The State of the Union speech is not legislation. The majority of presidents did not even make a speech.
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With her current move against having a Republican President speak to the U.S. House, and moves such as making Rep. Maxine Waters, (D-Calif) the head of the House Financial Services Committee, and adding Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, (D-N.Y.) to the same committee, Pelosi has now made it clear that elected Democrats will not be working any elected Republicans for at least the next two years. Maybe Pelosi will change her mind if Republicans would embrace socialism?
You got that backwards - it's the repuke-icans who won't want to work (well, honestly) with them - kinda like how it's always been.
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So, I'm not lining up behind her because she's the leader, I'm applauding her leadership.
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Behold the future of federal legislation. (idiocy snipped)
I struggle to believe that anyone can be as stupid as you pretend to be.

I'm pretty convinced that this is performance art, or some kind of experiment on your part.
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She is keeping the government shut down rather than agree to a few billion to extend the existing border barriers. All for political posturing.
No, Trump & McConnel are doing that. There was a deal, there was a budget, and Trump went back on it.

The issue is that the House sets the budget. It's there in the Constitution. The President can veto said budget but cant add items.

Trump is attempting to subvert the Constitution.
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Pelosi just pulled her stunt, do you not understand that it takes about a week for events to start to show their impact in polling? Are you really that fucking stupid?

You dont seem to understand that the Government shutdown happened while the GOp still controlled the House and before Pelosi was Speaker.
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I struggle to believe that anyone can be as stupid as you pretend to be.

I'm pretty convinced that this is performance art, or some kind of experiment on your part.
No, I think dorkknob really is that stupid. Or has a source for drugs the potency of which I haven't seen since the 60s.
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Pelosi just pulled her stunt, do you not understand that it takes about a week for events to start to show their impact in polling? Are you really that fucking stupid? What you and your ilk don't understand is that Pelosi is pulling stunts like this instead of investigating Trump and pursuing impeachment. She'll pander to the moderately informed for cheap fund raising and business as usual bullshit, but she won't take a stand and pursue the removal from office of Trump.
Pelosi is smart and experienced. You are neither. BTW, she's too old to be a Boomer. The first ones were born in 1946; she was born in 1940. This isn't the only thing about which you're not well-informed.
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I struggle to believe that anyone can be as stupid as you pretend to be.

I'm pretty convinced that this is performance art, or some kind of experiment on your part.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt once, briefly. Learn from my mistake.
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TLDR doorhinge version of the world: bipartisanship was thriving in DC until Mean Ol' Nancy took over.
And you'd be wrong. Bipartisanship was barely limping along in Congress. Now that Pelosi has regained the speakership, she's made it clear that bipartisanship is dead.
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I struggle to believe that anyone can be as stupid as you pretend to be.

I'm pretty convinced that this is performance art, or some kind of experiment on your part.
You seem to struggle with a lot of issues. None of which are my concern. Get well soon.
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You dont seem to understand that the Government shutdown happened while the GOp still controlled the House and before Pelosi was Speaker.
No shit. What was your first clue? Mine was when the shutdown caused the ending of my state department funded project and I had to lay 50 people off on Christmas Eve.

I said she just pulled her SOTU stunt and its impact won't be felt in the polls for another week. Trump's approval has been steadily trending down since it started. Pelosi's stunt about the SOTU speech runs the risk of moving the target off Trump onto her and the Democratic Party. She's doing her best to allow the GOP to label this the Pelosi shutdown.

She is unsuited for taking on this president. She doesn't understand that Trump presents an existential threat to the United States and will try to manage outrage over him at a slow burn so that she can raise some money for the party and maybe win a House seat here and there.

Her letter to Trump about the SOTU speech was a stupid move because she is playing Trump at his own game, he lives for petty bickering over non-issues like this and she handed it to him on a silver platter. Now, instead of talking about what Trump has done, we're talking about Pelosi's stupid letter.
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The Atlantic has an excellent case for impeaching Trump that went up today. It also is a pretty solid indictment of Pelosi and the old guard. HTTPS://WWW.THEATLANTIC.COM/MAGAZINE...-TRUMP/580468/

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DEMOCRATS PICKED UP 40 seats in the House of Representatives in the 2018 elections. Despite this clear rebuke of Trump—and despite all that is publicly known about his offenses—party elders remain reluctant to impeach him. Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, has argued that it’s too early to talk about impeachment. …. When, on the first day of the 116th Congress, a freshman representative declared her intent to impeach Trump and punctuated her comments with an obscenity, she was chastised by members of the old guard—not just for how she raised the issue, but for raising it at all.
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Pelosi's stunt about the SOTU speech runs the risk of moving the target off Trump onto her and the Democratic Party. She's doing her best to allow the GOP to label this the Pelosi shutdown.
I think you're right that Trump could have turned this to his advantage. But if this lame retaliation is the best he can come up with after 24 hours, it seems Pelosi was right to take this risk.
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Sorry (really) about Christmas Eve news--that had to suck balls.
Anyone who doesn't already see a target on Pelosi's back isn't going to put one there because of the SOTU kerfuffle.
Pelosi may have the discipline to slow burn the outrage, but Trump doesn't have the temperament to last that long. A couple more victories against him, no matter how petty, and he will come unglued. Even if Pelosi can only play 2 steps ahead of him, that's still a massive advantage over a guy who can't even recall his last move.
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Look. Impeachment has no chance of succeeding if it looks like "Both sides do it, see?". Doing it based on what we have strong evidence of right now would be just that. Even talking about it feeds the narrative of it being just partisan spite, and that narrative is especially strong among those who know no higher principle than partisan spite.

But when Mueller reports out, which may be in only a month or so, we'll all know, even the Spite Party. It may be that we'll know there just isn't enough there to justify it, or it may be that there's so much there that it can't be avoided. While the spiters know partisanship, they also know collusion with the Russians and the former KGB head who is now their President. They also know bribery and corruption, and whatever else is going to be in there. If that's the case, then all of them, even the Republicans, will be in favor of it, and it will happen.

So talking about it now only hamstrings the Democrats in case there isn't enough there. It doesn't help anyone at any time.
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But when Mueller reports out, which may be in only a month or so, we'll all know, even the Spite Party.
Don't count on it. Burr will be AG by then, after telling the Senate the Mueller report may not be made public.
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She is keeping the government shut down rather than agree to a few billion to extend the existing border barriers. All for political posturing.

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No, Trump & McConnel are doing that. There was a deal, there was a budget, and Trump went back on it.

The issue is that the House sets the budget. It's there in the Constitution. The President can veto said budget but cant add items.

Trump is attempting to subvert the Constitution.
For the benefit of blindboyard and others who apparently like to form an opinion by pulling nonsense out of their asses, here is a summary courtesy of business insider:

December 11: Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer meet with President Donald Trump to discuss the funding deadline. Trump demands $5 billion in border-wall funding, Democrats counter with an offer of $1.6 billion in general border-security funding. Trump rejects the idea and offers to take the blame for the shutdown. The president says he would be "proud" to shut down the government.


December 19: The Senate passes a clean short-term funding bill, called a continuing resolution (CR), that does not include border-wall funding but will keep the government open until February 8. Trump supported the bill at the time, Senate GOP leaders said.

December 20: Trump flip-flops on the clean CR after listening to attacks from conservative TV pundits and the hardline House Freedom Caucus, and he announces that he will not sign a bill with no wall funding. House Republicans then pass a CR that includes $5.7 billion in wall funds.

December 21: The Senate votes down the House version of the bill, and the government moves closer to a shutdown at the midnight deadline.


Bottom line: Trying to blame the shutdown on the Democrats, who took power in the house on January 3, and do not control the Senate is an exercise in extreme stupidity.
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You seem to struggle with a lot of issues. None of which are my concern. Get well soon.
You're not even a very good troll. I quite literally feel sorry for you.

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And you'd be wrong. Bipartisanship was barely limping along in Congress. Now that Pelosi has regained the speakership, she's made it clear that bipartisanship is dead.
So you believe that Republicans like Trump and McConnell were ready and willing to work in good faith and in a bipartisan manner?
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Don't count on it. Burr will be AG by then, after telling the Senate the Mueller report may not be made public.
At which point, does Mueller have himself a Snowden moment and release it anyway?
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The House can subpoena it if they have to.
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I think you're right that Trump could have turned this to his advantage. But if this lame retaliation is the best he can come up with after 24 hours, it seems Pelosi was right to take this risk.
Nope, now this is what we’ll be talking about, this stupid bickering between two dotards. By this time next week, Trump’s numbers will be up.
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Nope, now this is what we’ll be talking about, this stupid bickering between two dotards. By this time next week, Trump’s numbers will be up.
I'm just hoping for his number to be up.
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Nope, now this is what we’ll be talking about, this stupid bickering between two dotards. By this time next week, Trump’s numbers will be up.
It's possible. We'll see. Then again, who knows what else will happen in the next few days which may shift the polls either way...
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The Atlantic has an excellent case for impeaching Trump that went up today. It also is a pretty solid indictment of Pelosi and the old guard. HTTPS://WWW.THEATLANTIC.COM/MAGAZINE...-TRUMP/580468/
Since you must have the conviction in the Senate, and since the last example of the partisan impeachement without the votes in the Senate in fact bounced back in the face of the House and helped the sitting President then, Mr Clinton - the logic of that argument seems to be 100 percent residing in the wishful and the magical thinking that also motivated the opposition of that time.

It is very bad parliamentary politics usually to bring any action that you know will fail and that will not serve as the club against the opponent. That is the politics of the activists, who rarely succeed in the operational politics of the parliaments...

It seems to me Madame Pelosi is playing a very wiley game of waiving the red flag in front of the poor impulse control bull and letting him damage himself, rather than playing excitable activist politics (which would serve what practical purpose? how can the already convinced opposition in the USA become more motivated?)
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Don't plan a trip to the Middle East any time soon unless you can take Ms. Pelosi as a seat-mate in economy class.
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For House Democrats to vote for impeachment now would be just as stupid. The purpose of impeachment is to attempt to remove a president from office. It is impossible to remove Trump from office right now, because there aren't enough votes in the Senate. The Republicans still have a majority there, and they have shown no signs so far of standing up to Trump. He would survive an impeachment, which would boost his popularity and could guarantee his re-election. It would be the political equivalent of The Charge of the Light Brigade.

Democrats need to make a case to the American people that Trump is so bad for the country that he shouldn't be president. This may be obvious to a lot of us, but so far it isn't obvious to enough of the public that they're clamoring for Congress to get rid of him. The Democrats have to make a case for it, and they've started to do this. Party leaders aren't just passively waiting for the Mueller investigation to issue a report. They have opened investigations. In particular, Adam Schiff, head of the House Intelligence Committee, has re-opened the investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election. If these investigations convince the public to put pressure on Congress to impeach and convict Trump, then it's time to go ahead and impeach him.
Impeachment, however much I want it, isn't necessarily the best plan long-term for the party either. Ugh, I can't believe I'm going to be this cynical, but here goes:

If Trump is still in office in 2020 and the nominee, it probably means the Dems keep the house AND win the Senate... not to mention the WH itself. A forty seat swing just two months ago based on what he's done in two years. A better Senate map than 2018 AND he didn't win the popular vote in 2016. He's just now slowly starting to erode his base. It won't take much to make up that 100k votes in those three states. More people don't have to vote D. Just more right-leaning people need to be exasperated and unenthusiastic and not show up.

Keeping him as *the* face of all things GOP has a ripple effect all the way down to local dogcatchers.

So if we can keep him from starting war with Iran and destroying things, if Nancy can keep him mostly in line, if we can minimize the damage... is it worth it to let him sulk alone with "Acting Secretary of ____" for two years? I mean, even if he has terrible plans, how is he literally going to implement some of them without any actual staff to do it?

I would rather have him gone today and worry about later, but if he's going to be impossible to remove, Nancy's going to look to make lemonade out of this pile of lemons. I trust her to put the party first and use his ineptitude and corruption to shore up the Dems as a whole, not just her district or the House.

Nancy plays the long game. Does she do everything I want? Nope. Does she get more shit done than anyone else does? Yup.
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Behold the future of federal legislation. (idiocy snipped)
I struggle to believe that anyone can be as stupid as you pretend to be.

I'm pretty convinced that this is performance art, or some kind of
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And you'd be wrong. Bipartisanship was barely limping along in Congress. Now that Pelosi has regained the speakership, she's made it clear that bipartisanship is dead.
Oh fer fucks sake...like the Mitch McConnell who denied a vote on Merrick Garland yet allowed confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh wasn't partisan.

Dude, you're part of the problem. I know you think that your "moderation," "centrism," "independence" or whatever the fuck you want to call it is helping, but it's not. Your ignorance of how politics works, how the system works is what Russian troll farmers dream of.
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You're not even a very good troll. I quite literally feel sorry for you.
He's a concern troll.
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Nope, now this is what we’ll be talking about, this stupid bickering between two dotards. By this time next week, Trump’s numbers will be up.
What the hell are you talking about? Trump's approval/disapproval ratings have been cratering for the past month straight:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ex_cid=rrpromo

Hs disapproval rate is two percentage points and a bit off his all-time worst rating (Dec. 15-18, 2017). What rabbit do you think he's going to pull out of his ass that will reverse this trend in a week?

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One of my relatives recently posted something on Facebook purportedly showing how hypocritical and anti-American Pelosi and other Democrats are. Maybe some of you have seen it. It really doesn't show that at all.
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One of my relatives recently posted something on Facebook purportedly showing how hypocritical and anti-American Pelosi and other Democrats are. Maybe some of you have seen it. It really doesn't show that at all.
Linky?
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Linky?

Here you go.

The damn thing is from the FB homepage for TrumPotus. The whole page is rife with misogyny, blatant lies, outright racism, etc., a veritable Pandora's box.
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