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Old 02-03-2019, 05:51 PM
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Its 2019, are Roman Numerals used anywhere other than the Super Bowl?

I know I used to see them at the very end of Hollywood movie credits. Why did they use them there?
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Old 02-03-2019, 05:52 PM
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Old 02-03-2019, 05:57 PM
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Elizabeth II, and other such "Nth person of this name."
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General use? Clock dials, prefatory page numbering, ..., too many uses to enumerate.

Why do some movie credits use them in dates? A wild guess is that it's classical, and anything classical is cool, following the principle of quidquid latine dictum sit altum videtur.
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Old 02-03-2019, 06:23 PM
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there is that famous guy Malcolm ten.
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Old 02-03-2019, 06:27 PM
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Official or working titles of installments of a book or movie series (e.g., Star Wars: Episode IX; The Science of Discworld IV: Judgement Day)

Legal citations (e.g., Title 56, part III of the U.S. Code)

Numbering of Olympic games ("Games of the XXXII Olympiad" is the official name of the upcoming 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo)

I thought Cecil wrote a column about why copyright dates in movies are (or were) in Roman numerals. It was, as I recall, to obscure from the viewer that they were watching a re-release of an old movie instead of a new one. If Cecil did write such a column, I can't find it now.

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Old 02-03-2019, 06:31 PM
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Movie sequel titles. Star Trek II, III IV V, VI. Rocky II, III, IV, V. etc.
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Old 02-03-2019, 06:33 PM
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The BBC still dates TV production years in Roman numerals: MMXIX
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Old 02-03-2019, 06:39 PM
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MMXIX is starting to look pretty good.
For a few years after MM - MMI, MMII... the symbols didn't have much impact.
I expect they come back once we're pat the boring bits.
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Old 02-03-2019, 06:42 PM
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World War I and World War II

Something in music theory called Roman numeral analysis
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Old 02-03-2019, 06:43 PM
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When discussing Deep Purple, the lineups are commonly referred to as Mk I thru Mk IX.
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Many of these uses (part VI, mark IX, musical notes and similar) seem to be general enumeration of small numbers, so that seems to be a widespread current use, as opposed to something like "vii ounces" or any actual financial, scientific, or mathematical calculations.
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Old 02-03-2019, 07:21 PM
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Something in music theory called Roman numeral analysis
This is the practice of symbolizing the chords in a key with Roman numerals.

There are seven notes in a common major or minor key/scale. Each note can be the basis of a (triad) chord.

So the first note in C major is C (natural). The basic triad based on that note is C-E-G. So C-E-G is notated as the I chord in C major. Similarly, in G Major, the I chord is G-B-D.

If you note the chords numerically this way, then you can easily change the key and leave the chord notations intact.
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Next year's Super Bowl should be dedicated to LIV Tyler.
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Some companies use them on product names. The SONY RX100 series digital camera is up to RX100 VI now.
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Of course there is the iPhone XR -- the latest model.

I've assumed this was the "eks are" model until I recently saw a commercial where they pronounced it "ten are." A very stupid naming decision in my opinion.
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When discussing Deep Purple, the lineups are commonly referred to as Mk I thru Mk IX.
And you set the amplifier all the way up to XI
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there is that famous guy Malcolm ten.
Those Chinese. They always have to go one better than us.
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I saw it today on Todd Gurley's jersey - GURLEY II.

Mind you he was at Super Bowl LIII.
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Oddly, and for no legal reason, in the little copyright fine print in movies. Also in the designation of army corps. II Corps (and so on) is by convention pronounced "Two-Corps."
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Some network call letters are essentially the Roman Numeral equivalent of their dial number -- or, at least, used to be. So WXXI in Rochester, NY is Public Television Channel 21, and WLVI in Boston used to be independent TV station channel 56 (which is now the CW affiliate). Or KXXV is Channel 25 (ABC) in Waco, Texas.


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WLXI, Channel 61 in Greensboro, NC

WVII channel 7 in Bangor, ME

WXII Channel 12 (NBC) in Winston-Salem NC

WXIX Channel 19 (FOX) in Newport, KY

WXXV Channel 25 (FOX) in Gulfport MI
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I used to see movies advertised as restricted for thirty year olds and up in Times Square, that stopped sometime in the late 1990s though.
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Old 02-05-2019, 07:46 AM
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I used to see movies advertised as restricted for thirty year olds and up in Times Square, that stopped sometime in the late 1990s though.
Yeah. Weird thing is that they never advertised movies for 21 year olds or 40 year olds.

Although a few films showed surprisingly sexy-looking films for ten year olds.
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The BBC still dates TV production years in Roman numerals: MMXIX
Yes, for British people this is the main place we see Roman numerals: at the end of TV shows.

Of course, it was harder to decipher them when I was a kid back in MCMLXXXVIII. These kids of the MMs have it easy.
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Oddly, and for no legal reason, in the little copyright fine print in movies. Also in the designation of army corps. II Corps (and so on) is by convention pronounced "Two-Corps."
And despite what M*A*S*H would have you believe, I Corps (America's Corps!) is never pronounced "Eye Corps."
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Watchmakers still love Roman numerals, and still use the modified 'watchmakers IIII' instead of IV because reasons.

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Next year's Super Bowl should be dedicated to LIV Tyler.
All the players should have been naked for Super Bowl XXX.
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The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual has moved to "DSM-5" rather than "DSM-V."
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All the players should have been naked for Super Bowl XXX.
And they should have only allowed really big players in Super Bowl XL.
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Some languages other than English use them for the numbers of centuries, for some road numbers (mainly very low numbers on very important roads)... Often, people whose original language is one of those will do it in English. And it doesn't seem to be terribly shocking, since you can do it for years of living in an English-speaking country without anybody thinking of mentioning it.

My Spanish-to-English translation teacher used the centuries thing as a shibboleth to discover and give low grades to the non-Anglos in her second exam, after being absurdly shocked when the best grades in the first had all gone to foreigners (six Spaniards, one Greek). Proving that "it's not possible to perform a good translation into a language that's not your native tongue" was more important than actually teaching, but hey, we discovered a little detail nobody had bothered to mention before.

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there is that famous guy Malcolm ten.
When Roman medics needed an IV, did they call out for a four?*
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I thought Cecil wrote a column about why copyright dates in movies are (or were) in Roman numerals. It was, as I recall, to obscure from the viewer that they were watching a re-release of an old movie instead of a new one. If Cecil did write such a column, I can't find it now.
I remember that, too and like you, can't find it either. I remember seeing the MM copyright dates and thinking how odd they looked.

*Stolen from George Carlin.
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Some network call letters are essentially the Roman Numeral equivalent of their dial number -- or, at least, used to be. So WXXI in Rochester, NY is Public Television Channel 21, and WLVI in Boston used to be independent TV station channel 56 (which is now the CW affiliate). Or KXXV is Channel 25 (ABC) in Waco, Texas.


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WLXI, Channel 61 in Greensboro, NC

WVII channel 7 in Bangor, ME

WXII Channel 12 (NBC) in Winston-Salem NC

WXIX Channel 19 (FOX) in Newport, KY

WXXV Channel 25 (FOX) in Gulfport MI
WPXI Channel 11 in Pittsburgh.
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And they should have only allowed really big players in Super Bowl XL.
"4th and 12 at the 45 yard line. Should we kick a field goal, or punt?"

"Neither--gotta go for it. We had to leave the kickers off the game roster, new rule just for this year's title game."
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And despite what M*A*S*H would have you believe, I Corps (America's Corps!) is never pronounced "Eye Corps."
It certainly was in 1968 in Vietnam.
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They are sometimes used for months in date notation. I know it is common to do so in Hungary, where today’s date could be notated as 2019.II.8. Arabic numerals can also be used, but that was the notation that I saw commonly in letters and is a habit I picked up as well (along with the big endian method of writing the date out.) I have a feeling I’ve seen Roman numerals for months in other countries, but I can’t say for certain beyond Hungary.

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They're used that way sometimes in Spanish; enough to be understandable, not enough to be considered common. You'll do it as part of some fancy document, or for clarity to make sure than everybody can tell if you're using DD-MM or MM-DD.
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I've seen the month as a roman numeral in German documents. Made sense to me as you'll never get above XII unlike, say, XXVIII 10 2019

In a similar vein, I was taught in the Navy to remove ambiguity bu using the three letter abbreviation* for the month: 09 FEB 2019

*The government, particularly the military loves those TLAs.
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Oh, yes, it was also quite customary to use three-letter abbreviations in Hungarian documents. Probably more common than the Roman numerals. So today's date could be: 2019.2.9 or 2019.II.9 or 2019.feb.9 or 2019.február.9. ("March" gets marc and "September" gets szept, but the others are three-letter.)

Now, the Roman numeral version wasn't the most common, but it was common enough that it made an impression on me.
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General use? Clock dials...
Interestingly I considered starting a thread a week or so ago about this. I ran across a clock face with Roman numerals that had a weird ten: http://steve-lovelace.com/the-fall-of-roman-numerals/

Big Ben has this too. I couldn’t find any other examples other than clock faces. Is it a particular “font” or is it a clockmaker invention?
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Interestingly I considered starting a thread a week or so ago about this. I ran across a clock face with Roman numerals that had a weird ten: http://steve-lovelace.com/the-fall-of-roman-numerals/

Big Ben has this too. I couldn’t find any other examples other than clock faces. Is it a particular “font” or is it a clockmaker invention?
It’s a letter form that comes from traditional black letter (Textura) scripts developed to allow scribes to quickly copy texts and save space.
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pages in book prefaces are in Roman numerals
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Interestingly I considered starting a thread a week or so ago about this. I ran across a clock face with Roman numerals that had a weird ten: http://steve-lovelace.com/the-fall-of-roman-numerals/

Big Ben has this too. I couldn’t find any other examples other than clock faces. Is it a particular “font” or is it a clockmaker invention?
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I mean round analog clocks, not the digital displays you see on microwaves, computers and mobile phones. Those kinds of displays don’t use Roman Numerals at all.
Now I got an itch to build me a roman numeral digital clock.

VIII:XX:LVI... LVII... LVIII... LIX...

VIII:XXI:- -

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It’s a letter form that comes from traditional black letter (Textura) scripts developed to allow scribes to quickly copy texts and save space.
Compare this for example — https://learncalligraphy.co.uk/blackletter.html
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Thanks for the follow up. Those look a bit more X-y to my eye. Maybe it’s seeing it in alphabet context or maybe the clock face version is vertically enlongated.

Still very interesting. Thanks again.
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Now I got an itch to build me a roman numeral digital clock.

VIII:XX:LVI... LVII... LVIII... LIX...

VIII:XXI:- -
You can buy one: https://technabob.com/blog/2007/07/2...found-on-ebay/

Or if you really want to build it yourself, here are some instructions: https://www.instructables.com/id/roman-numeral-clock/
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Now I got an itch to build me a roman numeral digital clock.

VIII:XX:LVI... LVII... LVIII... LIX...

VIII:XXI:- -
There was a kit for Nixie tubes that handles various alphabets, including Roman numerals. But with 4 symbols and buy your own tubes (plus the kit may not be available anymore).

But if you going old-school with the symbols, what's better than nixie tubes?
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I know I used to see them at the very end of Hollywood movie credits. Why did they use them there?
To copyright something, you have to include the date with your copyright notice. Early theater owners wanted to hide the date so they could replay films that had come out a few years before. By writing the year in roman numerals, you satisfy the legal requirement without making the year easily readable by the audience (especially as it's scrolling up the screen).
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Are Roman Numerals still taught in schools?

What grade level, in Math or History class?
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But if you going old-school with the symbols, what's better than nixie tubes?
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