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Old 03-23-2020, 11:42 AM
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Will this devolve in to widespread looting/home invasions?


The amount of people standing in line for guns certainly seems to indicate many people think it will.
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Old 03-23-2020, 12:03 PM
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In some areas, possibly.

Depends on how strong the social contract is, and what the ratio of assholes:good people is.
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Old 03-23-2020, 12:10 PM
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I'd think home invasions would go down since a lot more people than usual are at home in the middle of the day.
I think, if anything, you're going to see an uptick in businesses getting robbed.
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I'd think home invasions would go down since a lot more people than usual are at home in the middle of the day.
I think, if anything, you're going to see an uptick in businesses getting robbed.
My county sheriff hosts a site showing crime logs. Looks like the past week had exactly one case, shoplifting (under $950). One case in the county. A small county, sure, with agriculture, an Indian casino, a state prison, and lots of retirees staying home. Anyway, your local jurisdiction might publish its crime stats. We can track any shifts in crime during The Situation.
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I'd think home invasions would go down since a lot more people than usual are at home in the middle of the day.
To you and the OP, by "home invasion" did you actually mean simple burglary?

In a home invasion the occupants are there and threatened or harmed in the course of the crime, by definition.



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One thing I've noticed - my phone is ringing off the hook with spam calls. They're trying to loot the stuck-at-home population in different ways.
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The amount of people standing in line for guns certainly seems to indicate many people think it will.
Anyone trying to break into occupied houses around here is a damn fool given how many people in those house have guns of their own.

There will be a brief period of noise after which I anticipate there will be a significantly smaller pool of people who think home invasion a good idea.
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One thing I've noticed - my phone is ringing off the hook with spam calls. They're trying to loot the stuck-at-home population in different ways.
Are you usually at home during the day? We are, and the number hasn't changed very much for us.
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The streets are so empty that it would be a lot harder for bad guys to merge in with traffic, and easier for cops to eye strange cars. Plus, the cops have a reason to pull anyone over now.
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Are you usually at home during the day? We are, and the number hasn't changed very much for us.
Yep, I work from home. I have a service from my VOIP provider that if the number looks shady it rings once then stops. It was ringing like crazy all week and on the weekend. Today it has actually been quiet. Could be that whoever was terrorizing last week got shut down in some capacity.
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If this goes on for months, then yes I think it could. Especially as people get desperate for food and money as the unemployment rate skyrockets.
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It's chilly here today, but in a couple of weeks people are going to be sitting out on front and back porches for long stretches of time. Knowing everyone and their mama will be able to see you being up to no good will be a deterrent for the common criminal, I gotta think.
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One thing I've noticed - my phone is ringing off the hook with spam calls. They're trying to loot the stuck-at-home population in different ways.
This is a YMMV category. Although I typically receive 4 spam/scam calls per weekday, I have received none since last Friday so far (and Sunday averages 1 call). Does anyone answer the phone anymore?

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Anyone trying to break into occupied houses around here is a damn fool given how many people in those house have guns of their own.
They will break in on some bored guy cleaning his duck gun.
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They will break in on some bored guy cleaning his duck gun.
Or on some innocent old gal with a herd of attack-trained kittehs. Or... an abandoned house nearby is sometimes inhabited by a black bear. I eagerly await a break-in there.

We should see a surge in sales of QUARANTINE signs to be placed as intruder deterrents. That beats a SOLICITORS WILL BE FED TO ZOMBIES sign. But skip doorbell cams - they deter few. Well, a nearby guy captured images of five mountain lions at his porch. Maybe this is the sign to post:
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Or on some innocent old gal with a herd of attack-trained kittehs. Or... an abandoned house nearby is sometimes inhabited by a black bear. I eagerly await a break-in there.

We should see a surge in sales of QUARANTINE signs to be placed as intruder deterrents. That beats a SOLICITORS WILL BE FED TO ZOMBIES sign. But skip doorbell cams - they deter few. Well, a nearby guy captured images of five mountain lions at his porch. Maybe this is the sign to post:
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Some goofball made a meme that said something like "Want to steal things? Break into a house with a Bernie Sanders bumper sticker on the car, because they won't have a gun."

One of my FBFs posted that, as satire, and got a lot of replies along the lines of "Wanna bet? Let's just say I don't hunt deer and rabbits with a bow and arrow."
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Some goofball made a meme that said something like "Want to steal things? Break into a house with a Bernie Sanders bumper sticker on the car, because they won't have a gun."

One of my FBFs posted that, as satire, and got a lot of replies along the lines of "Wanna bet? Let's just say I don't hunt deer and rabbits with a bow and arrow."
As a native and current Vermonter I can assure everyone that being a Bernie supporter and a gun owner are definitely not mutually exclusive.
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Yeah, some people reflexively accuse Dems of being gun grabbers. Bernie is pro 2nd, but try explaining that.
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Old 03-24-2020, 04:51 AM
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There are already a lot of news stories about people wearing masks for robberies and ATM break-ins.

There's a scam where people are knocking on doors (usually elderly) claiming to be from the health department, then robbing them.

I don't know if they are on the rise, or if it's just the news covering it because it's related to the events
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This epidemic might overwhelm the medical system, but it is a _lot_ less likely to shut down food supply lines. As long as we don't get a "we have to stop this social distancing and get the economy going" from the governors, we won't have so high a simultaneous infection percentage grocery stores and food transport can't function pretty much like normal.
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Yeah, some people reflexively accuse Dems of being gun grabbers. Bernie is pro 2nd, but try explaining that.
He said that his constituents are not in favor of gun control. I admire him for that.
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The UN thinks crime will increase due to economic effects of the virus.

Members of an LEO forum I lurk on are reporting noticeable increases in B&E of businesses, and of car break ins. But it's not universal (some officers noticing no change at all). My local neighborhood groups aren't reporting any increases.

I wonder if the lockdowns and travel restrictions affect the flow of illegal drugs? If so, I would expect an uptick in crime as some more desperate addicts have to find ways to pay increased prices. Just a guess though, I have no real information on this.
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The streets are so empty that it would be a lot harder for bad guys to merge in with traffic, and easier for cops to eye strange cars. Plus, the cops have a reason to pull anyone over now.
What? We never needed a reason. Just kidding, of course, but figured I pre-empt the remark.
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I’d think it would be more shuttered restaurants and bars being robbed. Even petty stuff like homeless people breaking in just to drink the liquor and sleep.
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We did not see widespread looting and home invasions during the great depression which lasted several years. We should be fine for a few months.

Most crimes are crimes of passion and not planned out crimes to obtain resources. Crime goes down in the winter every year because more people are home during the winter and say out of trouble. I would predict a drop in crime because everyone is stuck at home.

Our police systems and social safety nets are still running. People are collecting unemployment and aren't starving. No reason for looting yet.
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We did not see widespread looting and home invasions during the great depression which lasted several years. We should be fine for a few months.

Most crimes are crimes of passion and not planned out crimes to obtain resources. Crime goes down in the winter every year because more people are home during the winter and say out of trouble. I would predict a drop in crime because everyone is stuck at home.

Our police systems and social safety nets are still running. People are collecting unemployment and aren't starving. No reason for looting yet.
It’s still a different situation with the immediate shut down of businesses rather than the business failing. Take my example above of a bar with a liquor inventory. In the Depression if Joe’s bar failed, they’d sell off the liquor to Al’s Bar as well as the radio and I’m sure they’d find someone to sell the tables and chairs to. Right now, there’s thousands of bars that were shuttered immediately and only the money in the cash register was taken out to be deposited. The same goes for all the closed restaurants and retail stores.
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Another factor not mentioned yet is criminals themselves might be wary of catching the virus. Seriously.
I'm not saying it's the deciding factor on its own, certainly not for the kind of criminal that's willing to risk getting shot, but it will have some effect on the risk/reward calculation, particularly for opportunistic crimes.

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I'd think home invasions would go down since a lot more people than usual are at home in the middle of the day.
I think, if anything, you're going to see an uptick in businesses getting robbed.
I would think burglary is more likely since there aren't that many open businesses, are there?
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It says nothing about this virus. It was written in 2012.
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I would think burglary is more likely since there aren't that many open businesses, are there?
I agree, and thieves may not be intelligent enough to realize that if I close up my store, I take the cash register money home with me.
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I agree, and thieves may not be intelligent enough to realize that if I close up my store, I take the cash register money home with me.
They may only be interested in your stock of Venus flytraps and vinyl gloves.
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Anyone trying to break into occupied houses around here is a damn fool given how many people in those house have guns of their own.

There will be a brief period of noise after which I anticipate there will be a significantly smaller pool of people who think home invasion a good idea.
That is a fair point in much of this country.

Anyway, yes, sustained economic depression would put upward pressure on illegal ways of getting what you need. But as mentioned it would likely be mostly common property crime, trying as best possible to avoid direct confrontation with someone who may be in a good defensive position. Targets of opportunity and all that.

And yes, gritting the teeth and bearing a slightly longer economic slowdown so there is a flatter peak to the curve would be helpful. Yes there may be more car windows smashed in or purses snatched, but we've lived with that before.
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We did not see widespread looting and home invasions during the great depression which lasted several years. We should be fine for a few months.

Most crimes are crimes of passion and not planned out crimes to obtain resources. Crime goes down in the winter every year because more people are home during the winter and say out of trouble. I would predict a drop in crime because everyone is stuck at home.

Our police systems and social safety nets are still running. People are collecting unemployment and aren't starving. No reason for looting yet.
And most crime of all types goes on between people who know each other.
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And most crime of all types goes on between people who know each other.
They don't go on between 7-11s and crooks?
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I wonder what effect this will have on porch pirates (people who cruise neighborhoods to steal packages from their front steps).

On the one hand, more people are home. On the other hand, people are not going outdoors, so unless the delivery person rings the doorbell you won't know it's been left. On the gripping hand, maybe the porch pirates are being good citizens and staying home too.
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I wonder what effect this will have on porch pirates (people who cruise neighborhoods to steal packages from their front steps).

On the one hand, more people are home. On the other hand, people are not going outdoors, so unless the delivery person rings the doorbell you won't know it's been left. On the gripping hand, maybe the porch pirates are being good citizens and staying home too.
Haven’t seen a single report of one on my neighborhood watch group. I think people being home definitely has an effect plus fairly empty sidewalks (and I’m in Chicago with heavy pedestrian traffic) helps. Let’s see what happens as people start ordering more as they get bored and stuff like game systems have a good resale value.
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There are already a lot of news stories about people wearing masks for robberies and ATM break-ins.

There's a scam where people are knocking on doors (usually elderly) claiming to be from the health department, then robbing them.[...]
That has been reported in Germany as well.
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I wonder if the lockdowns and travel restrictions affect the flow of illegal drugs? If so, I would expect an uptick in crime as some more desperate addicts have to find ways to pay increased prices. Just a guess though, I have no real information on this.
In Europe the prices of drugs have risen, especially in prisons.
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They’re reporting a big drop in crime in the Bay Area.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...demic/2260998/
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Initially, crime will drop like a rock. (excluding cybercrime, of course)

With homes full of people, burglars will be wary of entering.
With businesses and streets virtually deserted, anyone driving a van and loading stuff up is going to get a LOT of scrutiny from security/cops. Even more so someone totin' a tv down empty main street.
And stuff like pickpocketing should reach an all-time low.

Of course, if the sheeple get restless, due to this thing going on too long and supplies running out, then Watch Out. Desperate sheeple turn into riotous mobs very, very easily.
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We should see a surge in sales of QUARANTINE signs to be placed as intruder deterrents. That beats a SOLICITORS WILL BE FED TO ZOMBIES sign. But skip doorbell cams - they deter few. Well, a nearby guy captured images of five mountain lions at his porch. Maybe this is the sign to post:
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I read of a guy hawking low-cost security systems. One was a note on the door:
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The mountain lion got loose somehow.
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The UN thinks crime will increase due to economic effects of the virus.

Members of an LEO forum I lurk on are reporting noticeable increases in B&E of businesses, and of car break ins. But it's not universal (some officers noticing no change at all). My local neighborhood groups aren't reporting any increases.

I wonder if the lockdowns and travel restrictions affect the flow of illegal drugs? If so, I would expect an uptick in crime as some more desperate addicts have to find ways to pay increased prices. Just a guess though, I have no real information on this.
I haven’t been to work in 5 days so my data is old. We saw an increase of car burglaries but nothing else. It was all confined to one area of town so it’s suspected to just be one or two guys doing it.

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Sheriff logs in my little rural county show more DUI's, about the usual in home abuse, and a shoplifter. Quiet here.
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Not quite what the OP was asking, but still a bit disturbing.

Armed vigilantes blocked a neighbor's driveway with a tree to force him into quarantine.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/us/ma...rnd/index.html
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