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Old 01-14-2018, 02:21 PM
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Therefore, to someone out in the Trump Swamp, I'm a Liberal CommieSocialist Eurofag Pinko, and to someone in the Marx Mire, I'm a Fascist Republican Brownshirt.
So, that makes you a Libafascist Compublican Pinkshirt?
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So, that makes you a Libafascist Compublican Pinkshirt?
There are people who will, to this day, go to the mat for the idea that the Nazis were a Leftist group. I've seen two arguments to this effect:

First Argument: "It's in the name, innit? National SOCIALISM, innit? Ah-ha! You can't fool me, with your fancy facts!"

Second Argument: "Big government is a feature of Leftist regimes. The most Right-wing political philosophy is Anarchism, so the most Left-wing philosophy is Dictatorship. My political worldview begins circa 1980, and is entirely limited to one or, maybe, two countries."

The underlying argument is a complete inability to look at context, which is the fact that the Nazis and Fascism in general were reactions to Marxism and a perceived social decline in the wake of the First World War, the fact the elements of the Nazi Party that wanted to reform the economy (the Strasserists) were forced out in the Night of the Long Knives, and the simple fact that Right governments have often been Dictatorships, when they weren't Absolute Monarchies.

Underlying the underlying is their eternal desire to poke at Leftists, no matter how ignorant and stupid they must become to do so.
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Just as the official name of North Korea, the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" is factually correct only in the last word.
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Old 01-15-2018, 10:03 AM
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Old 01-15-2018, 10:32 AM
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Liberals are known for worshipping the military? What?
WillFarnaby is a nutjob, but ever after 9/11 both liberals and conservatives have tried to outdo each other with public expression of piety over The Troops as political cover for some other agenda. This is just my view, but liberals seem especially eager to overcompensate for the historical perception that they're against the military. And of course, nobody is allowed to criticize The War without first gushing over how they love The Troops.

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(disclaimer: am former Troop, do not care if you love me).
But thanks for serving. You could suck as a person in real life, but thanks for signing up to be a troop.


You don’t seem to suck.
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Old 01-15-2018, 11:18 AM
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You used to be a bunch of people?
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You seem confused about something. 9 seconds of Googling should help you clear that up.
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Holy shit, Ditka’s stupid.
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Troop, or troop ship?
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Holy shit, Ditka’s stupid.
Valiant attempt to steer the thread back onto its rails. The feigned surprise is a bit much, though, considering.
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Holy shit, Ditka’s stupid.
Apparently he takes his username from a former football coach who is a fucking asswit.
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And a blowhard.
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Old 01-17-2018, 04:22 AM
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What makes dialog with right-wingers frustrating is their lack of perspective, or even self-awareness. Starving Artist, for example, was pleased by his own Medicare experience, but still opposes public health funding since it will eventually turn the U.S. into a socialist hell-hole like Canada.

Ditka is of course smarter than an oaf like Starving but finds Hillary's ignorance about guns to be a more important topic than whether Trump is a fraudster.

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In your view, is Trump University one of the top 10 most important things that has happened during his Presidency / the campaign?
I ask Dopers: Would the following be a fair summary of Ditka's performance in that thread?
Mr. Ditka has indicated that the fraud allegations against Trump U., while probably valid, are too irrelevant for comment, and certainly less important than any misspeakings by the candidate the fraudster defeated in 2016.
I've asked Mr. Ditka to research Trump U. and report his conclusions. I will retract the above comment if/when he demonstrates sentience.
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Old 01-17-2018, 07:00 AM
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Buddy, you don't know Ditka from Shinola.
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What makes dialog with right-wingers frustrating is their lack of perspective, or even self-awareness. Starving Artist, for example, was pleased by his own Medicare experience, but still opposes public health funding since it will eventually turn the U.S. into a socialist hell-hole like Canada.

Ditka is of course smarter than an oaf like Starving but finds Hillary's ignorance about guns to be a more important topic than whether Trump is a fraudster.



I ask Dopers: Would the following be a fair summary of Ditka's performance in that thread?
Mr. Ditka has indicated that the fraud allegations against Trump U., while probably valid, are too irrelevant for comment, and certainly less important than any misspeakings by the candidate the fraudster defeated in 2016.
I've asked Mr. Ditka to research Trump U. and report his conclusions. I will retract the above comment if/when he demonstrates sentience.
Shut up, you fucking troll.

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Old 01-17-2018, 09:23 AM
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What makes dialog with right-wingers frustrating is their lack of perspective, or even self-awareness. Starving Artist, for example, was pleased by his own Medicare experience, but still opposes public health funding since it will eventually turn the U.S. into a socialist hell-hole like Canada.

Ditka is of course smarter than an oaf like Starving but finds Hillary's ignorance about guns to be a more important topic than whether Trump is a fraudster.



I ask Dopers: Would the following be a fair summary of Ditka's performance in that thread?
Mr. Ditka has indicated that the fraud allegations against Trump U., while probably valid, are too irrelevant for comment, and certainly less important than any misspeakings by the candidate the fraudster defeated in 2016.
I've asked Mr. Ditka to research Trump U. and report his conclusions. I will retract the above comment if/when he demonstrates sentience.

I'm glad you commented on this, as I was rather taken aback as well. He appears able to list chapter and verse on any number of Hillary Clinton's failings, but Trump University and the cataloging of Trump's 2000+ lies is beneath concern. How can one know what one opposes without understanding what one supports?

Shodan's eloquent rebuttal notwithstanding.
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Shodan was eloquent? Please quote him when that happens, as otherwise his posts don't appear on my machine.
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Shodan was eloquent? Please quote him when that happens, as otherwise his posts don't appear on my machine.
Well, "Shut up, you fucking troll" carries a certain amount of pithiness, even if it doesn't advance the conversation. I don't set a very high bar for his contributions.

In other words, you didn't miss anything.
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He does use upper and lower case appropriately, and shows a command of punctuation rules. That counts as eloquent for the faction expressing the views he does.
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Yes, blathering on about Clinton (alleged) crimes even after they're both retired from politics and can no longer spring from under the beds of conservative children and eat them is a perfectly valid thing in their eyes, but to question THE DONALD on anything makes you a troll.
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Speaking of Hurricane: These dolts keep whining "We're sentient humans too; treat us with a little respect and we can have intelligent dialog." In the thread I just cited Hurricane's comments included
* "You want him impeached for being unprofessional?"
* "[Trump's] nature is a bit direct and brash, so it's wouldn't be entirely unsurprising or out of character for him."
* I suspect Durbin was more interested in the political harm it would cause Trump than the international harm it would cause America. One might even say he put "party before country".
* "I think most politicians lie, prevaricate, obfuscate, exaggerate, etc and that Trump, at least in that way, is a very typical politician."
* "I already believe he behaves like a typical politician"

Does this sound like a man who thinks Trump is despicable? If I were a right-winger who despised that fraudster I might write "Of course I detest the man but I'm delighted we have an R in the Oval." Not Hurricane. He wouldn't even concede that Trump is a worse human than Hillary.

We're here to fight ignorance, so I invited him to educate himself about Trump U. "Is it important?" he asked. Not unless it would bother you that a detestable man is in the White House. He goaded me into wasting more and more time and finally wrote
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But, to get at (what I think is) the heart of the matter, I didn't think much of Trump's character before I learned that the "textbooks" at Trump U were photocopies or the teaching staff was of low quality. He's on his third marriage, is dishonest and mean-spirited, etc. Not someone I'd want to hang out with, not someone I'd trust to be alone around my wife / daughter, and not someone I'd pay huge sums of money to learn their real estate tricks and tips. I don't even want to spend the money to buy his book or the time to read it. Whatever the details of Trump U are seem unlikely to substantially alter that assessment. Does that make sense why it does not seem very interesting or important to me?
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IOW, your opinion of the fraudster's character and life story is about the same as your opinion about Hillary Clinton. Got it.

If you already knew he was a massive fraudster (or planned on pretending to have already known) you could have saved us much time.

No sense my Googling for the credible evidence that Trump is a child rapist. Hillary allegedly ran child sex slaves out of a pizza parlor and the patriot who showed up to rescue them wasn't even allowed in the basement. Neither Trump nor Clinton was convicted, so, again, Same-same. Got it.
I have more respect for imbeciles like Shodan and Starving Artist. My friend has a lovely daughter with Down's Syndrome, who has a kind and beautiful disposition. But she doesn't live in America. It's sad how stupid people develop twisted beliefs in today's America through no fault of their own. But Hurricane probably has average-plus intelligence and still believes (or pretends to believe) that Hillary's confusion about sniper-fire and silencers makes her the moral equivalent of a criminal child rapist and con man.

I tried to give him a chance. But now I join in this Pitting.
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Shut up, you fucking troll.

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Old 01-18-2018, 10:59 AM
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He does not get much better than this:

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Shut up, you fucking troll.
Willie the Shake could not write poetry that good.
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Shut up, you fucking troll.

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Stop whining, you fucking baby.

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Careful there. I got mod noted for signing my posts to him with...

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Jesus, you're whiny. Par for the course for Republicans these days, but you're just... really bad at it.

And your stupid little tagline... do you retype the whole thing every single time, or is there a textfile on your computer you copy and paste? Regardless, it's too much work for something absolutely nobody fucking cares about, which you only do in a vain attempt to troll someone, anyone, who isn't already put off by your sterling personality and unparalleled use of language, which you demonstrate in this shining gem of a post.
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I have no fondness whatsoever for the military, or its 'heroes', but this:
is just so spectacularly stupid that even I can't let it pass.

Most people who join the military do so because it's a paying job that they've been told will teach them skills for free while letting them help their country.

You could, in theory, argue that it requires ignorance to believe that being a member of the military helps the country. You can't possibly make a sane argument that wanting a paying job or free skills training is evil, and you can't make any sort of coherent argument whatsoever that malice or ambition has anything to do with it at all. That's just crazy.

Look, I don't think there's anything praiseworthy about being a soldier, but it's mouth-frothingly deranged to claim you have to be some kind of demon to want to be one. Stuff like that gives you so much credibility that if you told me it was sunny outside I'd grab an umbrella.
Joining the military to gain skills has nothing to do with ambition? Hmmm.





Hmmmmmmmm.
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Joining the military to gain skills has nothing to do with ambition?
Stop being the fucking moron that you seem to be unable to not be. Persons with ambition do not “join” the military, they align themselves on a career path aimed toward the brass. People who “join” the military (enlist) are mostly just looking for a job and a packet of benefits. And maybe the opportunity to see the world, meet people from different cultures and kill them.
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Persons with ambition do not “join” the military, they align themselves on a career path aimed toward the brass. People who “join” the military (enlist) are mostly just looking for a job and a packet of benefits. And maybe the opportunity to see the world, meet people from different cultures and kill them.
As a retired enlisted person, I would have to say that almost everything you write here is incorrect.
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So Shodan,

Do you think Tim McVeigh had a point when he bombed the Oklahoma City federal building?

Why or why not?
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Gosh, aren't you clever.

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Stop being the fucking moron that you seem to be unable to not be. Persons with ambition do not “join” the military, they align themselves on a career path aimed toward the brass. People who “join” the military (enlist) are mostly just looking for a job and a packet of benefits. And maybe the opportunity to see the world, meet people from different cultures and kill them.
Ohhh. Ok. You just don’t know what ambition means. I thought we had an ideological argument. There isn’t one yet. You’re still struggling with vocabulary.
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So Shodan,

Do you think Tim McVeigh had a point when he bombed the Oklahoma City federal building?

Why or why not?
Hey, there were very fine people on both sides of that bombing.
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So Shodan,

Do you think Tim McVeigh had a point when he bombed the Oklahoma City federal building?

Why or why not?
I think he had a point. An entirely unreasonable point, but a point nonetheless!
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Dude, come on. Ditka's being pitted here BECAUSE he posted that McVeigh had a point when he detonated that truck bomb.

What's your opinion? I mean, I think I can guess your opinion about the bombing itself, although feel free to set me straight if you hold an unpopular opinion on the subject.

I'm asking you what's your opinion about Ditka here?

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I'm going to assume he has regards for H-Ditka.
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Just to be clear, the actual quote is:

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I think Timothy McVeigh's actions were not an entirely unreasonable reaction to Ruby Ridge and Waco.
To paraphrase is to invite obfuscation.

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I'm going to assume he has regards for H-Ditka.
Is that code for a man-crush?
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To be honest, I would hope that such a statement puts H-Ditka on the FBI's watch list.
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Just to be clear, the actual quote is:



To paraphrase is to invite obfuscation.
Yes, it is good that the actual quote is there. McVeigh certainly had a point he was trying to get across, of that there is no doubt.

The question is, is whether or not targeting and killing civilians is a reasonable reaction to some somewhat controversial government actions.

I'm on team "no" on that one.
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To be honest, I would hope that such a statement puts H-Ditka on the FBI's watch list.
I doubt it, it's not like the post was on Hillary's email server or anything.
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To be honest, I would hope that such a statement puts H-Ditka on the FBI's watch list.
We're all on that list.
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Just to be clear, the actual quote is:


To paraphrase is to invite obfuscation.
Obfuscation, like maybe, "I didn't specify which actions"?
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Jesus, you're whiny. Par for the course for Republicans these days, but you're just... really bad at it.

And your stupid little tagline... do you retype the whole thing every single time, or is there a textfile on your computer you copy and paste? Regardless, it's too much work for something absolutely nobody fucking cares about, which you only do in a vain attempt to troll someone, anyone, who isn't already put off by your sterling personality and unparalleled use of language, which you demonstrate in this shining gem of a post.
I don't suppose anyone else recognizes the irony of a post accusing me of whining, and then immediately whining about an issue that has been beaten to death in a half-dozen threads, as well as being the subject of an explicit and direct mod ruling.

I swear, you people bring self-parody to the level of performance art.

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I don't suppose anyone else recognizes the irony of a post accusing me of whining, and then immediately whining about an issue that has been beaten to death in a half-dozen threads, as well as being the subject of an explicit and direct mod ruling.

I swear, you people bring self-parody to the level of performance art.

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Whoa, steady up, there, big horse! He's the conservative gadfly who mocks the pretensions and hypocrisy of the the left! Where could we find another with such eloquence and warm good humor?
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Old 01-19-2018, 10:43 AM
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He's the conservative gadfly who mocks the pretensions and hypocrisy of the the left!
Might almost describe him as a conservative version of elucidator ...
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