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The Tulsi Gabbard Presidential campaign thread


So Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard, who is an alleged Democrat, is running for Congress.

And she begins her campaign by criticizing other Democrats who call Trump nominees out for using their religious biases as a basis of discrimination. She claims that if a person discriminates against people on the basis of religion, and they are called out for it, they're being discriminated against. She didn't name names, but it was implied that she was referring to her fellow Hawaiian, Senator Maizie Hirono.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.a2edc5695351


She's an investor in cryptocurrency
https://www.ccn.com/u-s-lawmaker-tul...n-investments/

She supports Bashar Assad
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/tuls...dent-1.6830335

She opposed a House resolution calling for religious freedom in India.
https://qz.com/india/628124/tulsi-ga...lam-to-terror/
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I could see her getting it done against Trump in the election. I cannot see her getting the nomination, though.

She is not progressive enough on social justice issues for a lot of progressives.
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I could see her getting it done against Trump in the election. I cannot see her getting the nomination, though.

She is not progressive enough on social justice issues for a lot of progressives.
I can't see Republicans voting for a Hindu.
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I can't see Republicans voting for a Hindu.
I'm slightly amused that she is a convert to Hinduism and not of Indian descent, while the most prominent Indian-Americans in politics are Bobby Jindal (born Hindu but a Catholic convert) and Nikki Haley (born Sikh but a Methodist convert).

And I agree that too many people will be put off by her religion. I wish it wouldn't matter, but it does. And I want the Democratic Party to win this time.
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I can't see Republicans voting for a Hindu.
They voted for an atheist.
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I can't see Republicans voting for a Hindu.
Why not? Does the name Piyush "Bobby" Jindal ring a bell? Born and raise a Hindu, convert to Catholicism. Though he's still Indian and plenty of good old boys would and still see him as a Hindu. He's a GOP politician. First Indian American governor of Louisiana for 8 years. Also a congressman.

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I'm having a hard time unraveling that... Does she mean that people should be allowed to discriminate, just because they claim that their religion requires it?

If that's what she means, then that's enough of a deal-breaker for me.
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I'm having a hard time unraveling that... Does she mean that people should be allowed to discriminate, just because they claim that their religion requires it?
Add me to the confused list.

Need clarification.
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Add me to the confused list.

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Individual 1 has nominated candidates for the executive branch who have anti-gay and anti-minority beliefs. When questioned about it, they say they believe those things because their religion says they have to. When people like Senator Hirono call them on it, saying their views disqualify them from the positions they are nominated for, Tulsi Gabbard says such people as Senator Hirono are prejudiced against religious people.
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I'm guessing this, which I'm finding out about today, has been brought up before in past threads. Steve Bannon spoke highly of and wanted to meet with Gabbard in late 2016
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She's criticized Israel, so she won't be allowed the nomination.

I like her and the fact she's Hindu is a positive for me because the Abrahamic religions are the cause of all the world's problems. I would consider voting for her over Trump.
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I'm having a hard time unraveling that... Does she mean that people should be allowed to discriminate, just because they claim that their religion requires it?

If that's what she means, then that's enough of a deal-breaker for me.
Yeah, that's some Mike Pence shit.
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So Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard...
I believe I speak for most of my fellow Americans when I ask WHO?
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Everyone said that about Barack Obama. And everyone also said that Trump had no chance of winning. The conventional wisdom isn't always correct. I really don't know honestly if Gabbard could win the election, but I do think her chances are way above Elizabeth Warren's and Bernie Sanders', but somewhere below Kamala Harris and Joe Biden.
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I believe I speak for most of my fellow Americans when I ask WHO?
Yes, she's the Democratic Ron Paul, loudly popular on a narrow slice of the Internet but not so much in the actual world.

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Yes, she's the Democratic Ron Paul, loudly popular on a narrow slice of the Internet but not so much in the actual world.
A very good analogy. She’s got some supporters who are very loud on Twitter but they’re also the type that likely voted for Jill Stein or sat at home and pouted last election. She doesn’t have the fanatical supporters of Ron Paul. Ron Paul was very good at promoting Ron Paul, Gabbard not so much.

She’ll be stuck on the kiddy table debates and probably drop out before the Iowa caucuses.
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I Have started reading the thread. So far I am not seeing the source material for the claims that she is pro discrimination. That seems contradicted by what little I have found of what has come from her own mouth.

Pro India is a potential positive for the US. They are the largest democracy in the world, and, well, the details matter but it would be nice on a surface level to not constantly antagonize friendly nations for a while.

I was impressed that she could get up there in a lei and talk about Hinduism and still come across as so (soldier) confident, positive, and compelling. With the obsessive coverage any president will get even if they aren't an orange, pussy grabbing con man, seeing this kind of behavior in the WH would be a huge breath of fresh air.

I like it that Warren is such a white collar crime hawk and still have her as a possibility, but I wish she behaved more like Gabbard. Warren sometimes reminds me of an excited bird, which could cost her.

I haven't been this impressed with another candidate yet. I though she had poise in spades and exuded leadership. It is striking that she has scars on only half of her face- the way she uses it reminds me a little of the hypnotic power of Sarah Sanders' unfocused eye ( I like Sanders, except for being a human firehose of bs.) The effect is kind of, "Are you getting tired of watching this long speech? Well, I have a whole. nother. Face!"

Is she anti gay? That would be bad. She says she grew up that way because of her dad and changed her mind. Personally, my own dad was anti everything, and I did not turn out the same. Maybe Gabbard could be a good transitional leader as the country becomes more accepting.

Is she from a cult? I don't know. I kind of think Mormonism is a cult, yet that is down the list of my objections to Romney. So far anyway I don't have those objections to Gabbard. Unless she pulls of her mask and is actually a crazy person, I am going to stick with "no religious test for office."

Doesn't want to topple Assad? We toppled Hussein and look what a shit show that was. And who would know that better than a veteran? Maybe she is right.

Who cares what Gaetz says about anything?

I would like to see her debate Bernie. Also, Warren, Harris, Booker, Gillibrand, Biden, and probably others. I still think she put on a fantastic performance. OK, off to finish reading this thread. I am open to further objections to Gabbard, of course.
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Good thing she dropped out. I mean, she was so close to winning the nomination and breaking the hearts of Gaffey Joe fans, everywhere.
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I've never voted for an R or D in a Prez election, but I would consider voting for her based on foreign policy alone.

At this rate though, Trump seems to be on the right track re: military pullouts.
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I live in Hawaii, and I do not sense any excitement for her run. She's popular in her present office, but I think this bid will fizzle out early on.
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I might be willing to vote for her, but as I said to one of my Republican friends lately, I think the country is at least another generation away from electing a non-Christian(professing). Even with a big liberal political swing, I can't see it being enough to win a general election.
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The cult she belongs to isn't exactly regular Hinduism. It splintered off of ISKCON. Now ISKCON denies that their religion is Hinduism, and Chris Butler, the guru who splintered and formed the cult the Gabbards belong to, also says he isn't Hindu. Tulsi's extremely homophobic father Mike Gabbard claims to be Catholic, but then he has been participating in the ISKCON splinter cult from the start.

This New Yorker article "What Does Tulsi Gabbard Believe?" goes into some depth on that cult, the Science of Identity Foundation.
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But a number of Butler’s former disciples recall a harsher, more authoritarian atmosphere. Defectors tell stories of children discouraged by Butler from attending secular schools; of followers forbidden to speak publicly about the group; of returning travelers quarantined for days, lest they transmit a contagious disease to Butler; of devotees lying prostrate whenever he entered the room, or adding bits of his nail clippings to their food, or eating spoonfuls of sand that he had walked upon. Some former members portray themselves as survivors of an abusive cult.
Tulsi was raised in this tightly-knit cult, attended its schools, and began her political career following her father's example in opposition to LGBT rights. She has married a husband who is also involved in it. Yet she avoids ever mentioning it or telling the truth about her and her family's participation in it. Once she becomes more nationally prominent and gets looked at more closely, she will either have to own up to her cult connections or look like she's trying to hide something.
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Frankly I think she has enough charisma to play all of that off. Unlike almost all the rest of the Democratic field, she actually has a very marketable image. If she really goes on the warpath with her campaign, being extremely proactive and not just reactive, it could build up enough momentum that all that potential baggage gets rolled over.

I'm looking at the candidates of this election the way Don Draper would look at them. To win this election - not other elections, not past elections or hypothetical elections but this election - the successful candidate will have to become a brand, a human meme. Nothing less than "iconic" will do.
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I just don't trust her at all. Not when that disgusting lump Steve Bannon loves her and is full of praise for her. What bothers me the most about her is her enthusiastic fandom of Hindutva extremist Narendra Modi, which is connected with her opposition to the resolution for religious freedom in India.
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What bothers me the most about her is her enthusiastic fandom of Hindutva extremist Narendra Modi
What's the nature of your objection here? I gather that Modi is a supporter of Hindu identity for India. What's the problem with that? Are you worried about Sikh genocide?

Do you similarly object to the fact that Israeli & American governmental leaders (Chuck Schumer being one for example) support Israel strongly as a jewish nation? There are a lot of Congressmen on both sides of the isle who are enthusiastically Zionist.
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Social media influencers and mainstream media are going all out against her right now.

In the must pass defense authorization bill that was ushered through congress last year there was a provision that authorized war with Iran. It was quietly slipped in by the industrial military complex. Tulsi was a critic of and asked for debate on the subject.

The idea that Gabbard is a sexist racist homophobic bigot is patently absurd. She's being shilled against so hard because she's a critic of the military industrial complex.
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I've been re listening to the Joe Rogan podcast from several months ago. She starts talking about the authorization to go to war with Iran at about 22 minutes in.

I recommend listening to the whole show unless you want your opinions formed by "social media experts" in soundbytes and out of context quotes from propagandists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIb2lmHgd5s
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I knew Tulsi Gabbard only by name before reading this thread. What I learned about her here is deeply disturbing.

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What's the nature of your objection here? I gather that Modi is a supporter of Hindu identity for India. What's the problem with that? Are you worried about Sikh genocide?

Do you similarly object to the fact that Israeli & American governmental leaders (Chuck Schumer being one for example) support Israel strongly as a jewish nation? There are a lot of Congressmen on both sides of the isle who are enthusiastically Zionist.
India is constitutionally a secular democratic republic. India is an ethnically and religiously diverse country, arguably more diverse than the entirety of Europe. Hindutva is a betrayal of those values. It's no different than a right-wing American politician wanting to celebrate the "Christian identity" of the United States. Hindutva is virulently anti-Muslim, which is a problem in a country with the world's third largest Muslim population.

By the way, I am an Indian-American and a Hindu.

Modi and the BJP are a vile, racist, bigoted, nationalistic and authoritarian movement. Modi has been in power longer than Trump, but he's picked up a lot of Trumpist propaganda tactics.

Just on that basis, I would disqualify Tulsi Gabbard from any position of responsibility, and definitely not as a standard-bearer for the American left.

Iskcon—better known as the "Hare Krishnas"—is an authoritarian cult. I'd never trust someone from that community or an offshoot for public responsibility. They don't consider themselves Hindu, and many Hindus reject them as well.

But even without her connections to the BJP and Iskcon, Gabbard's own statements about religion and sexuality in America are vile and ought to be firmly rejected by the Democratic Party.

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I knew Tulsi Gabbard only by name before reading this thread. What I learned about her here is deeply disturbing.



India is constitutionally a secular democratic republic. India is an ethnically and religiously diverse country, arguably more diverse than the entirety of Europe. Hindutva is a betrayal of those values. It's no different than a right-wing American politician wanting to celebrate the "Christian identity" of the United States. Hindutva is virulently anti-Muslim, which is a problem in a country with the world's third largest Muslim population.

By the way, I am an Indian-American and a Hindu.

Modi and the BJP are a vile, racist, bigoted, nationalistic and authoritarian movement. Modi has been in power longer than Trump, but he's picked up a lot of Trumpist propaganda tactics.

Just on that basis, I would disqualify Tulsi Gabbard from any position of responsibility, and definitely not as a standard-bearer for the American left.

Iskcon—better known as the "Hare Krishnas"—is an authoritarian cult. I'd never trust someone from that community or an offshoot for public responsibility. They don't consider themselves Hindu, and many Hindus reject them as well.

But even without her connections to the BJP and Iskcon, Gabbard's own statements about religion and sexuality in America are vile and ought to be firmly rejected by the Democratic Party.
Thanks for the great explanation. In addition to the above I'm specifically concerned about Modi's responsibility for the 2002 Gujarat riots where about 1,000 people were killed. Modi aided and abetted mobs to pogrom Muslims. The Congressional resolution on human rights in India was partly in response to that and similar RSS/BJP attacks on religious minorities. That Gabbard opposed it in support of Modi chokes my throat with the bitterness of bile. The RSS was the hate group that assassinated Mahatma Gandhi and that's where Modi comes from, and Gabbard idolizes this guy.

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Are you worried about Sikh genocide?
I can't figure out whether this statement is being blatantly heartless about mass murder or is simply ignorant. Sikhs are certainly worried about mass murder of Sikhs, because it has actually happened in India. Muslims are certainly worried about mass murder of Muslims, because mass murder of Muslims happens periodically in India.

Muslims are systematically discriminated against in Indian society. It's rare to find Muslims in high-level jobs outside the entertainment industry (a huge percentage of Indian movie stars are Muslims).

Are you saying that it is ridiculous for Americans to care about this or are you just uninformed about it?


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I object to blanket American support for the Israeli government. But I don't and can't vote on that sole basis because pro-Israeli politicians are firmly embedded in the American system and impossible to avoid if you care about other things. We always have to make choices when voting.

That doesn't mean I have to like a pro-Hindutva American politician.
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I'm sure she'll do very well among Jill Stein voters.
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Yeah, I don't know about all that. Your argument inspired a thread, DJ.
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Tulsi Gabbard’s Homophobic Remarks:
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Barring a very thoughtful and genuine apology for Gabbard's past bigoted assertions about gay people, I could not even consider supporting her for the Democratic nomination.
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Barring a very thoughtful and genuine apology for Gabbard's past bigoted assertions about gay people, I could not even consider supporting her for the Democratic nomination.
But if she gets it, would you then vote for her if she runs against Trump?
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But if she gets it, would you then vote for her if she runs against Trump?
Almost certainly ("almost" just because I don't know much about Gabbard), since Trump's bigotry is far, far worse in both quantity and character (along with a host of other issues).

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Almost certainly ("almost" just because I don't know much about Gabbard), since Trump's bigotry is far, far worse in both quantity and character (along with a host of other issues).
She sounds rather completely fucked up. I'd stay with the devil you know, Trump, over some bizarre cultist. Thinking Trump is almost certainly worse shows a very poor imagination.
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Uh, not me. I want this fucking circus to finally be over and there's no way in hell that Gabbard, however weird her religion might be, or whatever she thinks about India, is sufficiently problematic that a second Trump term would be preferable. NO way.
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I like the wide open Democratic field. My initial response is that I'd be happy to vote for any of the names I've heard floated, and I get to pick the best of a diverse and qualified crowd. Tulsi Gabbard is the exception to this. I hope she makes a quick exit so that she isn't a distraction.
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Perhaps a better question is who is so awful that you'd vote for Trump against them? I'm trying but failing to imagine such a person.
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She sounds rather completely fucked up. I'd stay with the devil you know, Trump, over some bizarre cultist. Thinking Trump is almost certainly worse shows a very poor imagination.
Nothing she's said comes close to even 1% of Trump's fucked-up-ed-ness. Which still leaves room for plenty of bigotry, much worse than any other likely Democratic candidate, AFAICT. But still almost nothing compared to Trump, at least based on what I've seen.

The "devil we know" is doing enormous medium term and maybe long term damage to the country (and maybe the world).
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Gabbard's religious views are vile, but I have voted for a lot of Christian politicians who have what I consider vile religious views, particularly at the local level. I don't think overall she would be worse for the country than Trump. However, I would rather she get nowhere near the nomination, which I don't think is likely anyway.
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Far be it from me to get in the way of a good old fashioned spittle flecked freakout, but here's an actual link to Tulsi's actual views and voting record on various issues.
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Far be it from me to get in the way of a good old fashioned spittle flecked freakout, but here's an actual link to Tulsi's actual views and voting record on various issues.
People can say whatever they want about their views on their own websites. That doesn't negate things they've said or done in public.
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People can say whatever they want about their views on their own websites. That doesn't negate things they've said or done in public.
It reminds me of Ron Paul fanatics trying to claim that the Ron Paul newsletter had absolutely nothing to do with Ron Paul.

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Well then it's a darned good thing the linked website doesn't include any links to legislation she's sponsored or originated, links to speeches she's made or to public statements she's given then. Whew, good to know the link is only comprised of completely unvetted, unverified and fact free statements made solely by the candidate. Gee, where would we be without you?
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Well then it's a darned good thing the linked website doesn't include any links to legislation she's sponsored or originated, links to speeches she's made or to public statements she's given then. Whew, good to know the link is only comprised of completely unvetted, unverified and fact free statements made solely by the candidate. Gee, where would we be without you?
I started composing a lengthy reply to this but then deleted because I decided you can't be serious. Suffice to say, I will weigh a thorough piece by a source I trust like the New Yorker more heavily than a politician's own website.

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As I said about Hillary, if she gets the D nomination, I'll support and vote for her.

But she's not getting the D nomination. Even in the political calculus of "how does this impact the EC", she's a non-factor. The Dems will put somebody from Texas in the P or VP slot before they put somebody from Hawaii.
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Hm. A Bernie Sanders supporter, who is not automatically and unquestioningly in lockstep about abortion. So the first means the moderate left won't want her, and the second means that the harder left won't want her. But she's popular in Hawaii. Sarah Palin was popular in Alaska, and she made it all the way to the VP slot, so anything can happen, I guess. But it probably won't.

She's a Congresswoman, but most of the talk seems to be about her foreign policy. That's unusual. She's got military experience, which is all to the good. She thinks we can go to 100% renewable energy, so that is a lost cause. She doesn't say much that I can see about the deficit, which is my bugaboo, but maybe it is the usual "promise to soak the rich and change the subject".

I don't see much to make her stand out from the crowd. I doubt if the average voter cares all that much about relations between the US and India. She's Hindu - whoopy-ding for her. At least she's not 70 years old.

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