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Old 02-18-2020, 01:12 PM
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Trump Pardons Everyone!


This morning, Trump pardoned Edward DeBartelo, Jr., who was convicted of paying a $400,000 bribe to the governor of Louisiana to get a casino license.

Then Trump pardoned Rod Blagojevich, who tried to sell a Senate seat to the highest bidder.

Proving he's interested in more than just politics, Trump then pardoned Michael Milking for securities fraud, and former NYC police commissioner Bernard Kerick for tax fraud.

That's one way to clean up the corrupt prison system - just pardon everyone who's been sentenced!
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Blagojevich's wife was a fixture on Faux News, completely fabricating ties between her husband's investigators and the Mueller team. And it worked.

The only good news is, if Trump thinks this will earn him votes in Illinois, he's 100% wrong. Pubs and Dems hate Blagojevich equally.
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It's not about helping out Blagojevich's political career. It's about freeing up a new Attorney General to replace Barr.
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I expect having to explain the difference between pardons and commutations on Facebook but not on here.
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I expect having to explain the difference between pardons and commutations on Facebook but not on here.
I think everyone gets it--commutation is "get out of jail free" and pardon "it never happened". Not being barred up is all that matters to Trump if he needs you to do him a favor outside the joint. I'm sure there is a strategic reason for leaving the conviction in place.
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I think everyone gets it--commutation is "get out of jail free" and pardon "it never happened". Not being barred up is all that matters to Trump if he needs you to do him a favor outside the joint. I'm sure there is a strategic reason for leaving the conviction in place.
A sensible president could say, "I'm not saying he didn't break the law or do anything wrong. I'm saying the price he's already paid is penalty enough for what he did."

But I doubt Trump even knows the difference.
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I think everyone gets it--commutation is "get out of jail free" and pardon "it never happened".
Except that, I don't think DeBartolo's pardon means somebody is going to cut him a check for the $1 million fine he had to pay.
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Blagojevich played the game and he won. Good for him.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=69049748

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In January this year, Blagojevich penned a column on Newsmax titled, "House Democrats Would Have Impeached Lincoln" amid the now-wrapped congressional impeachment efforts against President Trump. While Blagojevich didn't mention Trump's name in the column, his wife Patti Blagojevich tagged the president's name as she retweeted the piece.

Blagojevich appears to defend President Trump against House Democrat's efforts in the column, comparing the impeachment proceedings with his own criminal case, and calling the House impeachment vote an "abuse of the Constitution."

"No president is safe if a majority of hyperpartisan House members from the opposition party are willing to abuse the Constitution and vote to impeach," Blagojevich wrote. "And the worst part of it is, that should this happen, those politicians are taking from the people their right to choose their own leaders though free elections."
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The lesson is that white collar crimes committed by white Republicans are not to be punished. The banana republic is now here.
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I think everyone gets it--commutation is "get out of jail free" and pardon "it never happened". Not being barred up is all that matters to Trump if he needs you to do him a favor outside the joint. I'm sure there is a strategic reason for leaving the conviction in place.
It doesnít look like everybody does. Blagojevich is still a convicted felon. Heís spent years in jail. Heís not getting out of jail free. Heís getting out early.

The others already served their sentences. They are not getting back their years or their money. They are getting a piece of paper that says they have been pardoned. Milken in particular is typical presidential pardon material. He served his time, paid his fines and has spent his time since conviction working for charities.

There are quite a few pardons and commutations that piss me off much more, but Trump.
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The others already served their sentences. They are not getting back their years or their money. They are getting a piece of paper that says they have been pardoned. Milken in particular is typical presidential pardon material. He served his time, paid his fines and has spent his time since conviction working for charities.
Ya know, I've never been able to find any evidence at all that he paid the $600 million in fines we all heard about. Nor did I see a press release stating that he had repaid Drexel investors the $500 million he agreed to repay.

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{...} That's one way to clean up the corrupt prison system - just pardon everyone who's been sentenced!

Only the best people, the rich people, and those lucky few liked by Kim Kardashian.
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Only the best people, the rich people, and those lucky few liked by Kim Kardashian.
Or Rudy Giuliani.

Bernard Kerik and Rudy are really, really tight buddies, going back years. Rudy appointed him corrections commissioner, and then police commissioner, in New York. Then, after Kerik left the police department and went into the private sector, Rudy recommended him for Secretary of Homeland Security (during the Bush administration).

How Rudy and Bernie ever thought he would get past the background check is beyond me.

He didn't, of course, and not long after the indictments started coming down.
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JFC. I was busy today and never read any news. I read the OP and thought it was satire.
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Putting all the current swamp creatures on notice that he's got their back.
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One Doper Dollar sez Martin Shkreli is probably on the list, too. Hey, someone who price-gouges elderly and poor people has to be one of his heroes.
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Bribery, extortion, fraud.... those aren't ACTUAL crimes. Just ask Republican members of Congress.
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Jeffrey Epstein must be regretting killing himself about now.
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Well I want a pardon now too, ddammit!
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Well I want a pardon now too, ddammit!
Trump's probably jealous of Oprah's popularity and is doing his corrupt version: Now, you get a pardon! And, you get a pardon! And, you get a pardon!
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Well I want a pardon now too, ddammit!
My gf got pulled over and ticketed last weekend. She's contacting the whitehouse right now.
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A pardon doesn't overturn a conviction. It just makes a person not subject to the punishment for that conviction. They're still on the books as being convicted criminals unless and until their crimes are expunged.
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I remember when I was a state employee in IL and ol' Blago good-hair instituted mandatory ethics training for all of us. Not sure if he had to take it. If yes, it didn't stick very well.
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I assume Blago is some sort of shot at Obama as well. I don’t really care, if he wants to go on Dancing with the Stars or whatever, go for it
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I assume Blago is some sort of shot at Obama as well.
Probably so; it's possibly also a shot at a blue state, which now has Democrats in the governor's chair, both U.S. Senate seats, and 13 out of 18 House seats.
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Probably so; it's possibly also a shot at a blue state, which now has Democrats in the governor's chair, both U.S. Senate seats, and 13 out of 18 House seats.
Itís 100% a shot at Comey and crew. They convicted Blagojevich. They pissed off Trump. Blagojevich was on his tv show. I donít think itís any deeper than that.
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Itís 100% a shot at Comey and crew. They convicted Blagojevich. They pissed off Trump. Blagojevich was on his tv show. I donít think itís any deeper than that.
Actually, Comey ... did not become director of the FBI until 2013, two years after Blagojevich was convicted. But yeah, Trump probably thinks he's sticking it to him good.
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Actually, Comey ... did not become director of the FBI until 2013, two years after Blagojevich was convicted. But yeah, Trump probably thinks he's sticking it to him good.
Pfft. "Facts."

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Is there anything to prevent Trumpo from immediately pardoning someone who assassinates a Democrat house member, senator or presidential candidate?
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Is there anything to prevent Trumpo from immediately pardoning someone who assassinates a Democrat house member, senator or presidential candidate?
Nope.

It's all down to public pressure/voting at this point.
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If there's one thing that has bipartisan support in both houses of Congress, it's members of Congress not being assassinated. If Trump did that, then even the Republicans would vote to remove him.
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If there's one thing that has bipartisan support in both houses of Congress, it's members of Congress not being assassinated. If Trump did that, then even the Republicans would vote to remove him.
Convince me you're drawing from some manner of precedent and not just "sure" about this. I generally trust your opinions, but I fear I must admit to some doubt in this example.
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Not if Trump expressly said that he only approved of Democrat politicians being whacked. I seriously believe the house and senate Republicans would shrug and say "that's a terrible thing. we strongly disapprove <wink>"
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Not if Trump expressly said that he only approved of Democrat politicians being whacked. I seriously believe the house and senate Republicans would shrug and say "that's a terrible thing. we strongly disapprove <wink>"
They will strongly furrow their eyebrows.
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Not if Trump expressly said that he only approved of Democrat politicians being whacked. I seriously believe the house and senate Republicans would shrug and say "that's a terrible thing. we strongly disapprove <wink>"
After all, every dead Democrat makes it more likely Trump gets re-elected, and we all know that anything he does to advance his re-election effort is within his rights as president.
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Not if Trump expressly said that he only approved of Democrat politicians being whacked. I seriously believe the house and senate Republicans would shrug and say "that's a terrible thing. we strongly disapprove <wink>"
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Or, an alternate scenario:

Is there anything to prevent a lame duck Trumpo in December 2020, having lost the election, from declaring a pardon from every single federal prison inmate in the state of New York?
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Proving he's interested in more than just politics, Trump then pardoned Michael Milking for securities fraud, and former NYC police commissioner Bernard Kerick for tax fraud.
Can Bernie Madoff be far behind?

As for Blagojevich, what, no full pardon for him? I guess Trump just couldn't find it in himself to give a full pardon to a Democrat.

As I just wrote in the Trump Clusterfuck thread:

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Trump commutes Blago's sentence: Oddly bipartisan of him, eh wot?

(What, he couldn't find it in himself of give a full pardon to the Democrat?)

What do you suppose led Trump to find it in that place where normal people have a heart, to do this?

Was it to support corrupt politicians in general, who Trump sees as being of his own kindred?

Or was it to exonerate (sort-of) the guy who tried to sell that evil Kenyan Obama's former Senate seat to the highest bidder?
Okay, I can also appreciate Loach suggestion that it's a shot at Comey, even if that happens to be factually false (which is irrelevant in Trumpworld).

(Wow, what an active thread! In the time I typed up the above, 8 new posts were added!)
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As for Blagojevich, what, no full pardon for him? I guess Trump just couldn't find it in himself to give a full pardon to a Democrat.

As I just wrote in the Trump Clusterfuck thread:



Okay, I can also appreciate Loach suggestion that it's a shot at Comey, even if that happens to be factually false (which is irrelevant in Trumpworld).

(Wow, what an active thread! In the time I typed up the above, 8 new posts were added!)

Blago was on Trump's tv show, and The Blagos pretty much begged Trump. That makes him feel important and Kingly. Probably not the sole reason, but add them in as parts.
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Blago was on Trump's tv show, and The Blagos pretty much begged Trump. That makes him feel important and Kingly. Probably not the sole reason, but add them in as parts.
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Watch: Blago will become a Fox News commentator foaming at the mouth about the Democrats and TDS, and GOP supporters will completely forget that he was a Democrat convicted on completely unassailable corruption charges.
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Trump just claimed he is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the U.S....so I guess Barr can just go home now, right?
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Trump just claimed he is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the U.S....so I guess Barr can just go home now, right?
He is the chief law enforcement officer of the United States. You dispute that?
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Evidence


I think that most of you should be ashamed for repeating rhetoric without researching the evidence. 1. You have to realize that there's a war between the parties. 2. Why haven't you researched FOR The Truth?! 3. There is loads of evidence flooding the internet and youtube. I'm sorry if you think that a MEME is evidence. The DEMS / MSM is not telling The Truth about much of anything. Their many lies are far worse.

Or, do you seriously think that most Americans are deplorable and worthless?

Q. WHO said this crap? Are they your friend or foe?
- Yes - Really? You let your friends talk like this without a challenge or just strangers?! Is this how you really feel? I think that you may need new friends.

A. You DO NOT have a clue until you RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF who your friends and foes are. We cannot simply trust a stranger to tell us the truth. Does that make sense to you? I mean, unless I ask family or a lifelong friend, my kid won't have a babysitter. Oh yes, I'm going to get really deep in a minute. Keep reading...

Otherwise, you are just like-minded, like the guys at the bar, all drinking the same drink. Ok regulars, stay with me...

MOST people think that most are good people. THAT is a healthy way of thinking. Except for those who are pure evil, like Jeffrey Epstein who duped a lot of elites and some of our civil servants into that sick life of kidnapping, raping and eating children and people on his island, in hotels and on his airplane. BUT, Epstein was NOT the ring leader. Nor an elite by right. He wiggled himself into their elite lair by corruption. But, who opened that door? I've seen evidence about Hitlery that made seasoned officers cry and vomit. Thank GOD for good folks at NYPD who confiscated Anthony Weiner's laptop and made copies and sent them to whomever they thought would do the right thing. What they found were Hitlery's emails and videos of Anthony, his wife, Huma Abdine, who was also Hitlery's aid, among others that were not named, doing the unthinkable to children - like demons. I wish that I would have downloaded that video. But, it's been labeled as child porn, so it's no longer being shared online. Still, thousands of us saw it before it was squashed.

Bloomberg is in a photo with Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend and child handler -- https://www.reddit.com/r/bernie/comm...laine_maxwell/

Why is 5G internet signal bad for us? There are LOTS of stories online from people who have gotten sick, and even whole families. Not everyone feels the affects of 5G. but that doesn't mean that it's not working against your body/mind. We no longer have 5G in our area.

What is KURU? Why is Kuru called the Laughing disease? Kuru is a very rare disease. It is caused by an infectious protein (prion) found in contaminated human brain tissue. Kuru causes brain and nervous system changes similar to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.

I bet you may be able to guess who has it by doing a little research.
(Hitlery, Comey, Warren, Pelosi are at the top of the list)

Because, the Corrupt Ones are also child abductors, child-sex-trade, etc., and in being this way, they support millions of other perverts on black markets, worldwide. But, just 300,000 children are missing in the US every year. -so- I've had to explain to my young son why he has to pay attention to his surroundings when he plays outside or when we're away from home, such as shopping in a store, or playing at the park. Thanks to websites that list these perverted criminal's addresses on a map, we know that we are surrounded. (And, even I know know that a few of these people were wrongly charged, but we still have 32 perverts surrounding us!) So, we're covering all the ways of kidnappers. (ie. Anti-Kidnapping Tips for Kids : Double Wrist Release Anti-Kidnapping Defense -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY3kU4YvztI)

Thanks to team Trump, the main frame of child-sex-trafficking has been STOPPED between countries. Now, our law enforcement is entwined with any professional who deals with children, and they're working on teaching and training the public how to recognize a child abductor or pervert. The Boy Scouts offered us training last year.

We've known FOR YEARS that our gov't has been corrupt. The Corrupt Ones have picked apart every POTUS and congressman who threatened the Corrupt Ones to be arrested.

WATCH THIS VIDEO that the Corrupt DEMS do not want you to see...
<b>Donald J. Trump: The Long Road to the White House (1980 - 2017)</b> -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=305-erOr3jk

The DEMS DePopulation Plan has been in affect for years; air, food and water! Trump's Team is working to clean it up, to give every person a healthy chance at life. We no longer have chemical trails in our skies! Don't believe the debunking about theorists believing chem-trails. I've seen the evidence from REAL Scientists who post the evidence online FOR ALL TO SEE.

I have more evidence if you care to see it. Otherwise, do your own research and SEE EVIDENCE from Q, lawyers, witnesses, NEW News Reporters & Investigators @youtube and other websites (Gab, Minds, Parler.com)... What choice do we have since our mainstream media is as corrupt as google, facebook and twitter?! Search Engine choice: DuckDuckGo.com. This is my youtube list...

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He is the chief law enforcement officer of the United States. You dispute that?
You mean the rumors of Bill Barr being a 250-pound sock puppet are true?
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Originally Posted by UltraVires View Post
He is the chief law enforcement officer of the United States. You dispute that?
Trump is also the boss of Pompeo. Does that make Trump the Chief Diplomat?

Trump is also the boss of Wilbur Ross. Does that make Trump the Chief of Commerce?

Trump is also the boss of Mark Esper. Does that make Trump the Chief of Defense?

Trump is also the boss of Ben Carson. Does that make Trump the Chief of Housing and Urban Development?

Trump is also the boss of David Bernhardt. Does that make Trump the Chief of the Interior Department?

Etc.

That's even more things he's in charge of than Jared Kushner!

Per Yahoo News today:
Trump declares himself 'chief law enforcement officer' as he issues numerous pardons

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President Trump on Tuesday exercised his pardon power, granting clemency to or commuting the sentences of nearly a dozen people convicted of crimes, including former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and junk bond pioneer Michael Milken.

Trump also referred to himself as the nation's ďchief law enforcement officer,Ē a title typically reserved for the attorney general. [ Emphasis added. ]

. . .

The president reiterated his claim that he has the right to intervene in the Stone case.

ďIím actually, I guess, the chief law enforcement officer of the country,Ē Trump said. ďI could be involved if I wanted to.Ē
UltrtaVires, you surely must have known better than that.
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