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Old 03-16-2020, 12:46 PM
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Coronavirus will finish Trump's presidency


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I donít want a single person to die from this disease, but if Trump loses, any deaths will not have been in vain.
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So, to this point...

McConnell Has a Request for Veteran Federal Judges: Please Quit

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WASHINGTON — Running out of federal court vacancies to fill, Senate Republicans have been quietly making overtures to sitting Republican-nominated judges who are eligible to retire to urge them to step aside so they can be replaced while the party still holds the Senate and the White House.

Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky, who has used his position as majority leader to build a judicial confirmation juggernaut for President Trump over the past three years, has been personally reaching out to judges to sound them out on their plans and assure them that they would have a worthy successor if they gave up their seats soon, according to multiple people with knowledge of his actions.
The odds of elderly judges leaving their high-paying, high-benefit government jobs during a combo global pandemic + Bigly Depression (the bigliest!) approaches 0%.

Point being, for the purposes of this thread, it is highly unlikely McConnell will be making this move if he thought the Republicans were going to have a good chance in November.

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McConnell Has a Request for Veteran Federal Judges: Please Quit



The odds of elderly judges leaving their high-paying, high-benefit government jobs during a combo global pandemic + Bigly Depression (the bigliest!) approaches 0%.

Point being, for the purposes of this thread, it is highly unlikely McConnell will be making this move if he thought the Republicans were going to have a good chance in November.
I would like to think that a significant percentage of these judges, even though they were Republican-nominated, are keen enough to be suspicious of McConnell's claims of "worthy" successors. "Oh, sure, I will retire from my lengthy and esteemed career so you can nominate Eric Trump to be my replacement."
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If I’m a biased older judge, don’t you think I already know this? McConnell doesn’t realize that for a lot of them, they don’t want to retire, working gives them a reason to wake up in the morning. The same could be said for a lot of other older employees.

There might be some that are politically blind and don’t realize there’s a chance Trump could lose in the fall.
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Its hard to see what Trump is going to run on. The two things his supporters point to in terms of accomplishments is a great economy and conservative judges. The corona virus has shattered the economy, and the conservative judges accomplishment is only going to work for those in his base, not for the public at large. My guess is that he will still try to run on the economy by taking credit for it up until February and then saying the Corona-virus wasn't his fault, but that argument has too much subtlety for the average voter.
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Its hard to see what Trump is going to run on.
The same as he ran on before - schoolyard taunts and insults, made up nonsense and petty grievances, lies and lies and more lies. Only this time he'll have goo-gobs more money to blanket the media.
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The same as he ran on before - schoolyard taunts and insults, made up nonsense and petty grievances, lies and lies and more lies. Only this time he'll have goo-gobs more money to blanket the media.
Plus, the Russian troll farms are already trotting out the "Biden is mentally incompetent" garbage, that is being re-posted by useful idiots everywhere.
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Its hard to see what Trump is going to run on. The two things his supporters point to in terms of accomplishments is a great economy and conservative judges.
Trump will run on the fact that his crazy base keeps supporting him no matter what he does, and on trying to make 'the other guy' look as bad as he does. I do think the Wall Street collapse is one of the few things that can hurt him with his base - even the most fanatical MAGA racists will think twice about voting for a president who has DOW drop by 1/3, and Americans typically give the full blame/credit for the economy to the president. The absurdly inept handling of Coronavirus might not alienate his base, but will probably strongly motivate people who aren't his base to vote, as it both casts his flaws into sharp relief and isn't something that can easily be glossed over. "He's pissed off our NATO allies" isn't going to get people out of bed (a decent number of Americans would like us to cut back our foreign wars, and others just like the idea of pushing around snotty Eurotrash), but 'he's completely fumbled a major disaster that impacts everyone in the US' has a lot more bite to it. I mean, 9/11 basically delayed sports for a week, it's looking like Coronavirus is going to kill an entire season!
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Its hard to see what Trump is going to run on. The two things his supporters point to in terms of accomplishments is a great economy and conservative judges. The corona virus has shattered the economy, and the conservative judges accomplishment is only going to work for those in his base, not for the public at large. My guess is that he will still try to run on the economy by taking credit for it up until February and then saying the Corona-virus wasn't his fault, but that argument has too much subtlety for the average voter.
I think "The economy was doing great until Corona virus, which nobody could have predicted or protected against," is probably going to work pretty well. It's a simple enough narrative, and basically true - this would have fucked up our economy under Hillary, too. The details about Trump gutting the CDC and the many ways he's fumbled the response is going to be dismissed as liberal whining and attempting to politicize the outbreak. I doubt this is going to actually affect his re-election chances, unless it causes a significant portion of his base to literally die.
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I think "The economy was doing great until Corona virus, which nobody could have predicted or protected against," is probably going to work pretty well. It's a simple enough narrative, and basically true - this would have fucked up our economy under Hillary, too. The details about Trump gutting the CDC and the many ways he's fumbled the response is going to be dismissed as liberal whining and attempting to politicize the outbreak. I doubt this is going to actually affect his re-election chances, unless it causes a significant portion of his base to literally die.

This is perfectly true. Trump's base now has a go to excuse for a shitty economy- It wasn't Trump's fault. The economy is not an issue for his base. I guess the question is: How many of the people that voted for him are loyal members of his base?
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This is perfectly true. Trump's base now has a go to excuse for a shitty economy- It wasn't Trump's fault. The economy is not an issue for his base. I guess the question is: How many of the people that voted for him are loyal members of his base?
The state of the Dow Jones won't be an issue with his base. That much of his base are going to be unemployed come November is going to be an issue with his base. It's that simple.
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The state of the Dow Jones won't be an issue with his base. That much of his base are going to be unemployed come November is going to be an issue with his base. It's that simple.
I hear ya. But those who make up his base won't blame him for their lack of employment. Those who voted for him for the fuck of it, or because they hate Hillary might do so.
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I think "The economy was doing great until Corona virus, which nobody could have predicted or protected against," is probably going to work pretty well. It's a simple enough narrative, and basically true - this would have fucked up our economy under Hillary, too. The details about Trump gutting the CDC and the many ways he's fumbled the response is going to be dismissed as liberal whining and attempting to politicize the outbreak. I doubt this is going to actually affect his re-election chances, unless it causes a significant portion of his base to literally die.
Yup.

And if the polls aren't good, well, my local town election just got cancelled. It's an emergency, of course.
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I think "The economy was doing great until Corona virus, which nobody could have predicted or protected against," is probably going to work pretty well. It's a simple enough narrative, and basically true - this would have fucked up our economy under Hillary, too. The details about Trump gutting the CDC and the many ways he's fumbled the response is going to be dismissed as liberal whining and attempting to politicize the outbreak. I doubt this is going to actually affect his re-election chances, unless it causes a significant portion of his base to literally die.
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This is perfectly true. Trump's base now has a go to excuse for a shitty economy- It wasn't Trump's fault. The economy is not an issue for his base. I guess the question is: How many of the people that voted for him are loyal members of his base?
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Yup.

And if the polls aren't good, well, my local town election just got cancelled. It's an emergency, of course.
I mean, when y'all say this, are you assuming that every single one of his 2016 voters are going to vote for him in 2020? Because, frankly, that is never the case, even with popular Presidents.

2016 Trump voters > his base. It's that simple.

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I think "The economy was doing great until Corona virus, which nobody could have predicted or protected against," is probably going to work pretty well. It's a simple enough narrative, and basically true - this would have fucked up our economy under Hillary, too.
This will be the narrative concerning the economy if there hasn't been significant recovery by November. Your disagreement with what has happened with the CDC will just be background noise.

And if the virus is still a thing come the election it will suppress all voter turnout equally. It's not magically going to target Republican voters in a way that the Democrats with their morally superior woke immune systems will feel safe ignoring.
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And if the virus is still a thing come the election it will suppress all voter turnout equally.
Nonsense. The elderly are 1)more susceptible and 2)more Republican than the general population.
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“March Madness was canceled. Why? Donald Trump.”
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He built his brand on MAGAt rallies. He's not going to have those to froth up his base this time around, at least for a few months.
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The amount of effort y'all put into conversations about what will move his base always astounds me.

They're not going to be moved. They're his base.

The goal is to move those on the margins, and those people? He's lost them.

He can talk about the COVID-19 impact on the economy until he's blue in the face, but there's not a single person outside his base... facing a deceased family member... who will forget who was President when this thing erupted, and won't blame that guy.

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Coronavirus will finish Trump’s presidency

No, it won't.
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Coronavirus will finish Trumpís presidency

No, it won't.
It, and a DJIA which is already underwater from the Obama years, will.

He's toast. The only thing which can save him is the complete shutting down of elections... and even that won't save him from a hungry, angry mob looking for those responsible.
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No, it won't.
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Poll: As Coronavirus Spreads, Fewer Americans See Pandemic As A Real Threat
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In February, a little more than a quarter of U.S. adults believed the coronavirus was being blown out of proportion. Now, that number has risen to nearly 40% of respondents.

Pollsters found that both shifts are largely driven by changes in opinion by Republicans. For instance, 72% of Republicans saw the coronavirus as a real threat in early February, but that figure has now plummeted to 40% of Republicans now believing the deadly virus is a serious menace.

And a majority of Republicans ó 54% ó now say the response to the coronavirus is overblown, a significant jump from last month, when about 23% of Republicans held that view.

Fewer independents, too, see the coronavirus as a real threat. Fifty percent of them view it as such now, compared with 64% of independents last month who said the virus was legitimately threatening.

Democrats remained the most unchanged on this question. An increasing number of them ó 76% ó now say the danger of the coronavirus is real, up from 70% last month.
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WTF?? maybe it's too late to change their minds, even though The Donald has decided now that CV is "the enemy." They really ARE that stupid, I guess.
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I would expect that covid cases will surge among his base. They have been more misinformed, had science denial pushed on them, and have a history of denial before that. And they are in a news bubble.

Taking precautions is a liberal thing. If the R party has gone blood simple, basically only existing to own libs, they will be at risk in the world.
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I would expect that covid cases will surge among his base. They have been more misinformed, had science denial pushed on them, and have a history of denial before that. And they are in a news bubble.
That, and they'll continue to pass it to one another at the massive rallies Trump has said he will continue to hold.
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That, and they'll continue to pass it to one another at the massive rallies Trump has said he will continue to hold.
God willing they will be the biggest crowds in campaign history
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God willing they will be the biggest crowds in campaign history
Sam Harris recently said that this virus appears to have been custom designed to decimate the Trump Cult population. I thought that it was really short sighted of Harris, given that it's a worldwide pandemic that will hurt populations that take no part in the Trump Cult. However, if what you say is true and Trump continues to hold large rallies, I will have to grant Harris his due.
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Sam Harris recently said that this virus appears to have been custom designed to decimate the Trump Cult population. I thought that it was really short sighted of Harris, given that it's a worldwide pandemic that will hurt populations that take no part in the Trump Cult. However, if what you say is true and Trump continues to hold large rallies, I will have to grant Harris his due.
I was perusing my usual latrine literature, the Wordsworth Dictionary of the American West, and came upon the entry for cultus. It's a Chinook (trade language) term meaning worthless, useless. How appropriate for cultists.
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That, and they'll continue to pass it to one another at the massive rallies Trump has said he will continue to hold.

This.

When he finally visited the CDC, one of the people there suggested large gatherings needed to be camcelled, such as his rallies. In his egotistical superiority, he said something to the effect that his loyal followers wouldn't let a little old coronavirus prevent them from attending a rally where they could worship him.

It was a very bad joke that fell flat.

Let them gather! Just make sure you have some coughing, sneezing, feverish folk planted amongst the masses.


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Let them gather! Just make sure you have some coughing, sneezing, feverish folk planted amongst the masses.
If it were still possible to get face masks in large quantities without seriously compromising their availability to people who actually need them, I'd be trying to get the ball rolling on passing out some custom-printed ones to pass out to his cultists.
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I donít think he would have won in any situation. He won by the most razor-thin of margins. His approval rating was about 46% at the time of election, and immediately dropped and was stuck in the 40-43% range (and that was before COVID-19). No president has ever been elected with a rating that low.
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Guys, even more than making the incorrect argument that all who voted Trump in 2016 somehow constitutes his base, can we stop publicly wishing death on large swaths of people?
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Guys, even more than making the incorrect argument that all who voted Trump in 2016 somehow constitutes his base, can we stop publicly wishing death on large swaths of people?
Did Darwin wish death on anyone?

I think it's too far for Sam Harris btw. He's a professional.
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Trump will never be president.

The Mueller Report will finish Trump's presidency.

The impeachment will finish Trump's presidency.

The Coronavirus will finish Trump’s presidency.

You know what's really going to finish Trump's presidency? 2024.
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You can't lie your way out of an economic collapse and daddy is long dead. Trump is toast.
All the things happening now..The S&P 500, The DOW, Trump's approval rating, the stimulus, the bailouts, the faux benevolence...don't matter for shit.

The dying has just begun, and more people will die from Covid-19 in America than anywhere else on this planet. If we could stop it, even if it meant a second term for Trump, we would. Right? We would. But we can't, and Trump will never be forgiven once it's all over. And he doesn't deserve to be.

Trump is toast.
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The dying has just begun, and more people will die from Covid-19 in America than anywhere else on this planet. If we could stop it, even if it meant a second term for Trump, we would. Right? We would.

I'm glad I don't have to make that decision. I would if it were to make Romney or McCain president instead of Obama, as much as that would hurt. But Trump is so uniquely awful, so dangerous to democracy and to humanity, I'm not sure if the risk of another four years of him as president wouldn't be worse, particularly since it's an unknown quantity. But of course we don't have to make that choice. It's going to be what it's going to be.
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The Mueller Report will finish Trump's presidency.

The impeachment will finish Trump's presidency.

The Coronavirus will finish Trumpís presidency.

You know what's really going to finish Trump's presidency? 2024.
You hope.

Why would his base give a shit about the Dow? They don't own stock. I am afraid they will suffer unduly from Covid though. So will all red-staters since their governors are still in denial and anti-science.
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Why would his base give a shit about the Dow? They don't own stock. I am afraid they will suffer unduly from Covid though. So will all red-staters since their governors are still in denial and anti-science.
Trump promised that the good jobs would come back from China. By November the virus will be a memory - but if there is still high unemployment, the Trump supporters without a pot to piss in will either vote for good old Joe - one of them - or stay home.
The Republicans will try to blame everyone but him, but the bottom line will be he didn't deliver.
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We can certainly hope for a good case for all of the administration. They should survive and be chastened and wiser.
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If there's one thing that's going to hurt him with his base, it's the appearance of weakness during a crisis. This Politico article touches on that:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ovement-130831

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Trump’s supporters elected him because they considered him a “wartime leader” who could fight against the swamp and the elites, so they expect the same against a truly invisible threat, said War Room host and former Breitbart editor Raheem Kassam. “If, for a second, people think that he doesn't have that strength, or he doesn't have that fortitude, then it will become a problem,” he said.
Granted, at this point I think most of Trump's followers are too cultish in their devotion to not follow him over the cliff. But this may well open a few people's eyes to the fact that the guy was never anything more than bluster, and that he's in way over his head.
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Old 03-18-2020, 09:32 PM
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If there's one thing that's going to hurt him with his base, it's the appearance of weakness during a crisis. This Politico article touches on that:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ovement-130831



Granted, at this point I think most of Trump's followers are too cultish in their devotion to not follow him over the cliff. But this may well open a few people's eyes to the fact that the guy was never anything more than bluster, and that he's in way over his head.
The only thing that would turn Ttrumps base against him is if Trump embraced multiculturalism.

His base feels 'their' America is being invaded by non-whites, immigrants, atheists, muslims, feminists, liberals, gays, etc. They view Trump as their great white bulwark against multiculturalism and a multi racial society.

They don't give a shit how incompetent, treasonous, criminal, corrupt, deranged, mentally unstable, etc. Trump is as long as he promotes white supremacy.

If Trump embraces black lives matter, calls for more immigrants from islamic nations, says America becoming white minority is a good thing, etc that will turn his base against him.

If anything, low key democrats should be creating propaganda making it look like Trump is embracing multiculturalism and show it to his base to demoralize them. Show them fake quotes of Trump talking about how great black lives matter is and how great islamic immigration is. That will make them stay home in 2020.
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Old 03-16-2020, 10:06 PM
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His approval on fivethirtyeight is holding steady at 42.5%, there is nothing that will convince his base that he’s incompetent.
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