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Old 03-05-2020, 10:01 AM
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No woman president for America for quite some time more yet.
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If I were her, I'd be talking with the Biden people about being running mate. But then publicly endorse Bernie until the veep announcement is made in a few months. That way they can make a big show of the party uniting to take on Trump.
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The race isn't over, but unless Joe has a seriously disastrous "Joe moment" during the primaries, he's going to be your candidate.

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I bet that moment of Warren saying that Bernie called her a liar on national TV (in her opinion) is looming large on who she may endorse.

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No woman president for America for quite some time more yet.
Maybe. Maybe not. Iím still predicting that Klobuchar will be Bidenís running mate. Given his age and health, I think she would have a decent shot at becoming #47 if Biden wins and she is the VP. If I was to bet I think her odds of being the 47th POTUS (46th if Trump wins this year) are probably higher than any other single individual.

ETA. I also predict that Warren is not going to endorse either Biden or Sanders at this time.

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If I was to bet I think her odds of being the 47th POTUS (46th if Trump wins this year) are probably higher than any other single individual.
Was it her bland debate appearances, lackluster polling throughout the past year, or disastrous delegate count that makes you think that?

I'm not saying she won't, stranger things have happened, but what on earth makes her the odds-on favorite in your opinion to be the 46th/47th president over any of the other candidates that lost this year?

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Was it her bland debate appearances, lackluster polling throughout the past year, or disastrous delegate count that makes you think that?

I'm not saying she won't, stranger things have happened, but what on earth makes her the odds-on favorite in your opinion to be the 46th/47th president over any of the other candidate that lost this year?
Itís mostly my guess that Biden promised her the VP position. I think thereís a small chance he may have even promised her that he would not run in Ď24 and endorse her for that election.
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Itís mostly my guess that Biden promised her the VP position. I think thereís a small chance he may have even promised her that he would not run in Ď24 and endorse her for that election.
Ah, fair enough.
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If I were her, I'd be talking with the Biden people about being running mate. But then publicly endorse Bernie until the veep announcement is made in a few months. That way they can make a big show of the party uniting to take on Trump.
That sounds slick but Warren has neither the political skill nor cynicism required to pull it off.
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Warren as VP would placate a lot of Bernie supporters, which is good.
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Totally expected, but sad anyway.

Since this time Saturday, Steyer, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Bloomberg, and now Warren have dropped out. At this rate we'll be down to zero candidates by Monday.
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I think Biden really has to get a much younger running mate. Most likely he picks Harris or someone like her. Warren would take attorney general or treasury secretary if offered.

I guess nobody noticed or cares, but Gabbard has not dropped out yet.

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I wouldn't want Warren to be Biden's veep. They disagree on a great deal, and being his veep would effectively muzzle her.

In the unlikely event that Bernie wins the nomination and the election, I'd love to see Warren as either Fed chair or Treasury secretary.
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I wouldn't want Warren to be Biden's veep. They disagree on a great deal, and being his veep would effectively muzzle her.

In the unlikely event that Bernie wins the nomination and the election, I'd love to see Warren as either Fed chair or Treasury secretary.
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That sounds slick but Warren has neither the political skill nor cynicism required to pull it off.
I don't know, all she really has to do is say "I endorse Bernie Sanders," then go back to the Senate and keep her head down for the next couple months. Plus I imagine having the opportunity to be a 78-year-old heartbeat away from the presidency could probably make even the most ingenuous among us a crafty political beast.
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Was it her bland debate appearances, lackluster polling throughout the past year, or disastrous delegate count that makes you think that?

I'm not saying she won't, stranger things have happened, but what on earth makes her the odds-on favorite in your opinion to be the 46th/47th president over any of the other candidates that lost this year?
A poor showing didn't stop Obama from choosing Biden as veep, and Obama's shine pulled through for him on Tuesday. Biden's veep can ride that residual shine onward; and their veep after that, ad infinitum. We'll call it the Obama perpetual motion machine. Can't lose.

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And yet Tulsi Gabbard keeps going, like that gym membership you haven't gotten around to cancelling.
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I don't know, all she really has to do is say "I endorse Bernie Sanders," then go back to the Senate and keep her head down for the next couple months. Plus I imagine having the opportunity to be a 78-year-old heartbeat away from the presidency could probably make even the most ingenuous among us a crafty political beast.
No way, man. Reporters will constantly be peppering her to talk more about her endorsement and why she's not out stumping, and she'll blow it eventually. You don't recruit people like her for shenanigans.

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I don't understand why people want always try to take effective people out of the Senate.

But if I were going to appoint her to something, I'd let her control her baby - the CFPB. Especially if SCOTUS rules that POTUS can replace the head at will.
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And yet Tulsi Gabbard keeps going, like that gym membership you haven't gotten around to cancelling.
I'm predicting big shifts in momentum. It'll end up being Gabbard versus Weld in the general. You heard it here first.

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Stacey Abrams would be a good choice: young, ambitious, and put freakin' Georgia in play in 2018. Plus she's not currently in the Senate (or any elective seat), so no loss to bring her up to VP.
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I can't see Warren as a Biden VP. They disagree on everything, and she adds as much charisma to the ticket as day-old cornflakes. Plus I would think you need at least one person on the ticket who doesn't look like the model in a Depends commercial.

The Democratic establishment seems to have put their thumb pretty heavily on the scale for the safe candidate. People don't hate Biden as much as they did Hillary, at least not yet, but that didn't work out well in 2016. Or in 2004 - Kerry got the nod because he was "not-Bush", with the observed results.

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If Trump polls are not looking good in the summer he would not hesitate to dump Pence for someone like Nikki Haley. In fact he may have already decided to dump Pence.
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Can't link to it right now, but there's a CNN talking head who has said exactly this. Trump has put pence in charge of the coronavirus as a set-up for him to fail. Then on the day the Dems introduce their nominee at the convention, Trump calls a press conference in the Rose garden to announce he's replacing Pence with Haley.
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I'm sad, but also not surprised. I gave "a lot" of money to Warren's campaign. As in, I usually gave $2 or $5 when they asked. I went on my own and gave a whole $15 the night of that awesome debate.

I'm glad she stopped, looking at the numbers, but super bummed that the numbers got to where they were. I don't know what people were missing when it came to Warren as a candidate. To me, she was perfect.

I don't know who to vote for next week in the OH primary. I almost kinda think I don't care (they're both (yes, forget Gabbard)) fine to me. I might just vote for Warren anyway...I'd stay home but there's a local issue I want to support.
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I'm sad, but also not surprised. I gave "a lot" of money to Warren's campaign. As in, I usually gave $2 or $5 when they asked. I went on my own and gave a whole $15 the night of that awesome debate.

I'm glad she stopped, looking at the numbers, but super bummed that the numbers got to where they were. I don't know what people were missing when it came to Warren as a candidate. To me, she was perfect.

I don't know who to vote for next week in the OH primary. I almost kinda think I don't care (they're both (yes, forget Gabbard)) fine to me. I might just vote for Warren anyway...I'd stay home but there's a local issue I want to support.
The way this primary has gone down has me rethinking some of my baseline assumptions. Iím now of the opinion that what happened is that Sanders, both in 2016 and this year, has stunted the liberal wing of the Democratic party. Rather than looking at Sanders being the last liberal standing and saying that Warren was splitting his vote, it could very well be that it was Sanders who has been taking votes from other liberal Democrats like Warren. In another universe in which Sanders dropped out last year for whatever reason, we might be down to Warren vs. Biden in a 50/50 matchup.
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I'm glad she stopped, looking at the numbers, but super bummed that the numbers got to where they were. I don't know what people were missing when it came to Warren as a candidate. To me, she was perfect.
All my negatives for her were negatives about her personally (she's said some things during the campaign that struck me as disingenuous about other candidates), or very minor policy differences. For all measures I can think of, she was our best option for president starting in 2021, would do the best job, run the executive branch with the most competence and efficacy.

But our campaigns are super fucked up. And they don't look to be any less fucked anytime soon.

I'm pretty sad that she's out. My wife is furious.
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Can't link to it right now, but there's a CNN talking head who has said exactly this. Trump has put pence in charge of the coronavirus as a set-up for him to fail. Then on the day the Dems introduce their nominee at the convention, Trump calls a press conference in the Rose garden to announce he's replacing Pence with Haley.
More fake news from CNN.

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The way this primary has gone down has me rethinking some of my baseline assumptions. Iím now of the opinion that what happened is that Sanders, both in 2016 and this year, has stunted the liberal wing of the Democratic party. Rather than looking at Sanders being the last liberal standing and saying that Warren was splitting his vote, it could very well be that it was Sanders who has been taking votes from other liberal Democrats like Warren. In another universe in which Sanders dropped out last year for whatever reason, we might be down to Warren vs. Biden in a 50/50 matchup.
Flik, I hadn't thought of that, but that's very possible. Had Sanders dropped out after his heart attack, it would likely be Warren v. Biden.
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I was surprised recently when I was talking to my brother about one of the debates, and he said he didn't know much about Warren and hadn't really considered her. My brother's a 42-year-old very 'woke' guy with a good head on his shoulders and almost in lock step with me when it comes to politics. My boyfriend had the same non-reaction as my brother, he's also a 42-year-old white guy with politics very close to mine. Neither of them are "Bernie Bros" but they would also consider themselves Democratic Socialists, like myself. I don't know if they were gung-ho for any candidate yet. I think if it were closer, I would have convinced them to vote for Warren in the primary. It's interesting to note that whatever campaigning Warren was doing, it didn't reach those two in any meaningful capacity.
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She was my favorite. I identify as a wonk she is the wonkiest candidate I have ever seen. But now it is a straight head to head contest. It looks like Biden has the inside track, but a lot can change in a month. Try to picture what the race looked like a month ago.
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More fake news from CNN.
It's somebody's opinion on Trump's strategy.

That's neither fake nor was it presented as news. It was presented on CNN but it was an opinion from a talking head and not from the network.

Maybe you were making a joke, in which case I apologise, but every significant part of this post is incorrect, which is impressive in its own right.
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^^ This.

I've been hoping for a Biden/Warren ticket for a while. An experienced politician like Biden and a new progressive woman in the WH is a huge step forward.
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With a combined age of 147. My hope is that Biden would promise to make his VP pick someone with politics more in line with Warren’s but young.
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With a combined age of 147. My hope is that Biden would promise to make his VP pick someone with politics more in line with Warrenís but young.
Will, if something happens to both of them, Nancy Pelosi is next in line.

Of course, now that's a combined age of 226.
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I was hearing a lot about her being a VP pick and I believe she already said she'd be open to it. They may want someone with more name recognition among people who aren't politics junkies. Not saying she's unknown but if I polled my co-workers I'd bet few have heard of her or if they know the name they might not be able to say what her experience has been.
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Will, if something happens to both of them, Nancy Pelosi is next in line.

Of course, now that's a combined age of 226.
The future of the party.
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Divide by ten. Okay, by eight, then. But I've got one word for the future: demographics.
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Those same demographics have elected consecutive PAN Presidents. This tells us nothing.
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Flik, I hadn't thought of that, but that's very possible. Had Sanders dropped out after his heart attack, it would likely be Warren v. Biden.
And I'd be betting on her in that case.

Two comments re her announcement today -

1) Buttigieg just didn't comment as people shouted about 2024, but it would have been nice for him to correct them with a comment that the job will be the Democratic incumbent's until 2028. She OTOH mentioned after what was to some listeners an emotional moment about all the pinkie swears to little girls that they'll have to wait four more years ... which to me implicitly assumes a loss by the D nominee or a one-termer at best. Was that meant as a dis?

2) She talked about getting into the race thinking that there was another place to be than the progressive and moderate lanes occupied by Sanders and Biden respectively, but she was wrong. She is wrong now. Her fatal error was going all in on the progressive lane, trying to out-Bernie Bernie rather than staying consistently true to her own brand. If she had done the latter instead of trying to get in front of the Sander healthcare parade, she might have found that sweet spot
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And I'd be betting on her in that case.

Two comments re her announcement today -

1) Buttigieg just didn't comment as people shouted about 2024, but it would have been nice for him to correct them with a comment that the job will be the Democratic incumbent's until 2028. She OTOH mentioned after what was to some listeners an emotional moment about all the pinkie swears to little girls that they'll have to wait four more years ... which to me implicitly assumes a loss by the D nominee or a one-termer at best. Was that meant as a dis?

2) She talked about getting into the race thinking that there was another place to be than the progressive and moderate lanes occupied by Sanders and Biden respectively, but she was wrong. She is wrong now. Her fatal error was going all in on the progressive lane, trying to out-Bernie Bernie rather than staying consistently true to her own brand. If she had done the latter instead of trying to get in front of the Sander healthcare parade, she might have found that sweet spot
I also noticed your point number 1 in Warren's speech. I hope it was not a dis, just getting emotional in an emotional moment, but like you I'm not positive about that.

Regarding point 2, I agree. Seems like in the popular imagination at least there is a lot of room between Sanders and Biden. She could've said "We don't need a corporate Democrat, but on the other hand we do need a Democrat," and staked out a middle position that no one else was occupying. She didn't do it.

My wife is exactly the kind of voter Warren appealed most to--in her fifties, white, sort-of suburban, generally liberal, masters degree, huge supporter of HRC. She really liked Warren at first, but the shine came off the shinola for her over the last few months. Interesting to watch the trajectory...
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Very sorry she dropped out. I thought she was the best of the field heading into Super Tuesday. I doubt either Biden or Bernie would pick her as a running mate, given all of their ages, but I could see her as a Treasury or Commerce secretary, or AG, in the next Dem Cabinet.
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I think Biden really has to get a much younger running mate. Most likely he picks Harris or someone like her....
Harris? Why? Blacks didn't vote for her. Women didn't vote for her. Progressives didn't vote for her.
For good reason.
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Vicente Fox and Felipe Calderůn?
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