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Old 03-01-2020, 05:17 PM
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Pete Buttigieg drops out of the Democratic primary race


https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...036_story.html

Pretty shocking he did it now and didn't wait until Super Tuesday.

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I can't believe Klobuchar outlasted him.
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I like Booty-Judge. He now has a war chest of donations to use for his next campaign; I’m guessing a run for the US house in 2022.
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Mayor Pete has much to offer the Democratic party going forward. I hope his talents will be well utilized by our next Democratic administration in one capacity or another.

I'm not that surprised he suspended. I listened to him speak last night after South Carolina and half expected him to make the announcement then and there. I suspect the only reason he held off was to give Steyer the chance to do it first.

Klobuchar can't be far behind.
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Wow. Really surprised he didn't wait till super Tuesday.
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I wonder if the person I'm voting for on Super Tuesday, Elizabeth Warren, will suspend afterward. She's not expected to win any of the Super Tuesday states, and she hasn't picked up any delegates yet.
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Sorry to hear this. I liked him from the start. Listening to him speak on just about any topic is such a contrast to Trump or (I hate to say) Biden. I'll vote for whoever the Dems decide on. Is Gabbard still in? I would be holding my nose while voting for her.
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I like Booty-Judge. He now has a war chest of donations to use for his next campaign; I’m guessing a run for the US house in 2022.
Wouldn't a house run be a step down for someone who tied for first in Iowa?

He may be hoping for a cabinet position or a high position within the dnc.

He would do good at either I'm sure.
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I like Booty-Judge. He now has a war chest of donations to use for his next campaign; I’m guessing a run for the US house in 2022.
Or the Senate. Republican Todd Young's term ends in 2022.

With Pete's new level of name-recognition, a Senate run would seem a natural. Particularly if the Democrat wins the White House and gives Pete a high-profile job (Cabinet or otherwise).

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I'm glad that the field is winnowing, and this is a wise move by Pete. We'll find out who his supporters go to on Tues.
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I hope this is a sign that the Democrats are figuring out that they need to stop splintering and start pulling together behind SOMEONE who can beat trump. Beating him is the #1 priority at the very least. It doesn't matter one single bit what the Democratic candidate stands for. All will be moot unless the Dems keep the House and take the Senate. But even if they don't, getting trump out of the White House is the most important thing.
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This is great news for Biden. Based on headlines, I thought Sanders was running away with nominations. Biden is less than 10 delegates from Sanders. 60 to 53. With Mayor Pete out, that support likely will go to Biden.
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I can't believe Klobuchar outlasted him.
He’s essentially gotten all the delegates he’s likely to, while Amy is going to pick some up in MN. I assume she’ll drop out after Tuesday.
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Steyer and Buttigieg today. Maybe Klobuchar soon. Gabbard and Warren will stick around until the bitter end.
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This is great news for Biden. Based on headlines, I thought Sanders was running away with nominations. Biden is less than 10 delegates from Sanders. 60 to 53. With Mayor Pete out, that support likely will go to Biden.
That’s not what this morning consult polling suggests…(page down and then mouse over)

https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/
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Sorry to hear this. I liked him from the start. Listening to him speak on just about any topic is such a contrast to Trump or (I hate to say) Biden. I'll vote for whoever the Dems decide on. Is Gabbard still in? I would be holding my nose while voting for her.
I don't think you have to worry about that one. She's in the "forgotten but not gone" category.
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I wonder if the person I'm voting for on Super Tuesday, Elizabeth Warren, will suspend afterward. She's not expected to win any of the Super Tuesday states, and she hasn't picked up any delegates yet.
Liz has 8 delegates.
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I hope this is a sign that the Democrats are figuring out that they need to stop splintering and start pulling together behind SOMEONE who can beat trump. Beating him is the #1 priority at the very least. It doesn't matter one single bit what the Democratic candidate stands for. All will be moot unless the Dems keep the House and take the Senate. But even if they don't, getting trump out of the White House is the most important thing.
Unlike Warren and Klobuchar, Buttigieg staying in the race until SC at least made some sense given how well he had performed up to this point. But there's not going to be a Warren surge, nor will there be a Klobuchar surge, and I'm beginning to doubt that there will a Bloomberg surge either.

And it goes to show that things can change fast. I admit that two weeks ago I had left Biden for dead and thought Bloomberg was going to take command of the moderate lane. But Warren absolutely destroyed him in the first debate and while I thought he was better prepared this time around, he still didn't really recover. Biden, meanwhile, held it together long enough for Jim Clyburn to give him a lifeline, and this was the shot in the arm his campaign needed. I agree that Buttigieg's exit gives Biden a little more energy, though how much is unclear. I'm sure some of those who voted for Mayor Pete belong in the camp of wanting to see younger, fresher faces, so I don't expect all of Pete's voters to switch to Biden right away.
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I'm a bit sad about this, as I was an early, if small, donor to the Buttigieg campaign. I could see this coming, though, and I ticked my ballot in Colorado yesterday for Warren. They've consistently been my two favorites from the jump, because I like people who can make cogent arguments and explain policy ideas clearly, at which both of them excel.

I really think Warren *should* be president, but I'm kind of resigned to having to vote for Bernie (or possibly Biden) in November.
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Bernie raised $46 million in February, that’s a staggering amount. Pete/Amy/Warren campaigns are all on fumes at this point as everyone’s getting behind Biden to stop Sanders. I expect both Warren and Amy to drop after Super Tuesday, they’re only staying in to see how they do in their home states.
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Bernie raised $46 million in February, that’s a staggering amount. Pete/Amy/Warren campaigns are all on fumes at this point as everyone’s getting behind Biden to stop Sanders. I expect both Warren and Amy to drop after Super Tuesday, they’re only staying in to see how they do in their home states.
Warren raised $29M in February, more than she’d raised in any whole quarter before that.
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Good move by Buttigieg. This should help Biden on Super Tuesday, and help prevent a Bernie win or a brokered convention - two things the Democrats need before they can beat Trump.

Buttigieg might make a decent VP candidate for Biden. He adds much needed youth, and he has shown the ability to bring in votes in states where Biden fell flat.
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Warren raised $29M in February, more than she’d raised in any whole quarter before that.
We will have to see the burn rates as the numbers come in, I’m still shocked the Warren campaign opened an office in the south side of Chicago with the Illinois primary on March 17.

There’s a lot of smart young staff from the Pete campaign that could give a serious boost to Biden.
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Thanks, Pete! He needed some seasoning before making a run for the WH. I hope he gets a cabinet post or makes a run for the House or Senate. Between his departure and the anticipated departure of Amy, I think Biden's performance on Tuesday is going to be much better than we anticipated a week ago.
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Again, the most popular second choice for Buttigieg voters was Sanders.
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Biden almost certainly promised him something. Secretary of State would be a good fit.
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Again, the most popular second choice for Buttigieg voters was Sanders.
Maybe they’re out there, never met a single one over the year I was a volunteer and met endless people involved with the campaign. The Sanders scorched earth approach doesn’t exactly mesh with the Rules of the Road.
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Biden almost certainly promised him something. Secretary of State would be a good fit.
I wonder if Bloomberg made him some offer to drop out before super Tuesday. Time will tell.
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Wouldn't a house run be a step down for someone who tied for first in Iowa?
It's a step down for a Presidential candidate. It's a step up for a former Presidential candidate.

Buttigieg is young. I think he was using this campaign to introduce himself on the national stage. Now that people know who he is, he can start from a stronger position the next time he runs for President.

But to have a next time, he needs to maintain an active career in politics. So a seat in Congress would be a good move for him now. It allows him to maintain his own agency in a way a cabinet position wouldn't. And let's fact facts, there's no assurance whoever the Democratic nominee ends up being will win the election and have any cabinet positions to offer.
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He was my preferred candidate, but the voters have spoken. It is well past time for people to start dropping out. Buttigieg is showing a maturity greater than that of the others.
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Bloomberg? I think Pete wants to kill Steyer and Bloomberg right now.
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A pretty good case for not having Iowa go first that the Iowa winner didn't even make it to Super Tuesday, no?
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A pretty good case for not having Iowa go first that the Iowa winner didn't even make it to Super Tuesday, no?
Maybe. But how about a ‘Pete wins Iowa!’ headline coming out of Iowa rather than endless talk about the app and messed up counting? Perhaps that pushes Pete over the hump in NH for a win rather than a tie?

And, besides Bernie, no one thinks this front loaded Super Tuesday is a good idea. TX and CA do not need to be in ST to be relevant.
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That’s not what this morning consult polling suggests…(page down and then mouse over)

https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/
So, for the most part, as candidates drop out Bernie's chances for the nomination increase.
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They go down as the not Bernie vote rallies to Biden.
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They go down as the not Bernie vote rallies to Biden.
That's not how I read the link. In any event, the 'not Bernie' vote seems to consist mostly of the democratic party elite and the Press. Not the people.:-)
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A Twitter friend of mine reminded me that Pete has breakfast with President Carter this morning, perhaps that influenced his decision.
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A pretty good case for not having Iowa go first that the Iowa winner didn't even make it to Super Tuesday, no?
You can't rely on them screwing up the count next time.
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A pretty good case for not having Iowa go first that the Iowa winner didn't even make it to Super Tuesday, no?
I heard a fairly interesting idea about how to arrange the primaries in the future. By voter turnout.

Gauge what the voter turnout is as a percentage of registered voters, and then in the next primary season the primary will be held in order of highest to lowest turnout.

So if Oregon was 34th state to vote this primary but #1 in turnout, they are the first primary state next election cycle. If Iowa was #1 in rank but #29 in turnout they become #29 in rank next time.

I'm theory, it would incentivize efforts to increase voter turnout which would benefit the party as a whole.
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Yeah, Pete needs to get some national experience under his belt. Maybe the next Dem prez can give him a cabinet position or he can run for senate or something.

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Steyer and Buttigieg today. Maybe Klobuchar soon. Gabbard and Warren will stick around until the bitter end.
I bet Warren drops if she gets nothing on Super Tuesday. If she doesn't- she should.
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Disappointing to hear, but undoubtedly wise decision. We've not seen the last of him.
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A pretty good case for not having Iowa go first that the Iowa winner didn't even make it to Super Tuesday, no?
A better case to dump caucuses.
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This is great news for Biden. Based on headlines, I thought Sanders was running away with nominations. Biden is less than 10 delegates from Sanders. 60 to 53. With Mayor Pete out, that support likely will go to Biden.
I don't think that's true. I was a Pete supporter and if Biden gets the nomination I'm not voting in the general. He's the only candidate that I will say that about. My vote is going to Sanders.
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https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/
That poll surprises me but really shouldn't when I look at other polls' crosstabs: Buttigieg's support is in fact about 50/50 over/under 45. Biden gets polling support skewed to voters 45 and older voters, and Sanders gets polling support skewed to under 45. (At least among whites which is almost all of Buttigieg's support.) That the younger supporters would move to saying Sanders and the older ones would move to Biden is actually predictable. The issue of course is that in both South Carolina and New Hampshire those 45 and over have had twice the turnout of those under, less of a younger voter primary turnout than in 2016.

I'm thinking in voters who vote it helps Biden more.
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It’s been sad reading the farewells from some of the campaign staff on Twitter. I’ve met a lot of them and they seem like family.

Working endless hours for low pay to have it not work out is heartbreaking.
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I don't think that's true. I was a Pete supporter and if Biden gets the nomination I'm not voting in the general. He's the only candidate that I will say that about. My vote is going to Sanders.
That's the kind of talk that gets us 4 more years of trump.

No matter what you think of Biden, he's better than trump.

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